Which 718 ?

Which 718 ?

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The Livster

Original Poster:

200 posts

61 months

Friday 6th September
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Home from offshore so might call into my local dealer , has a decent selection of 718’s & S

hixster

298 posts

162 months

Monday 9th September
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tedblog said:
Yes their will be a price increase across the range and it will affect pcp prices big time . A 10% import tax on a £70k is at least another £145 with interest over 4 years . As its an import tax it wont have impact on the residuals. Why do you think pcps are geared up for 4 years now? Nothing to do with 3 years pcps becoming more expensive. Yes the 718 6 touring is coming but effectively they are week end toys judging by the mileage these cars do and one of the first things that suffer?
All manufacturers are worried . Audi bmw all doing poorly at the moment doesnt need another spanner in the works
update from dealer today - Cayman 6 / Touring launching November/December apparently.

Edited by hixster on Monday 9th September 19:08

starshots

51 posts

39 months

Tuesday 10th September
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I was 1000% sure I wanted a 981s and after trying one I decided to try a 718s just to make sure. The dealer only had a 718T as a demonstrator and I was sadly disappointed with the sound compared to the 981 (which many will tell you and there are numerous debates about). I was told the 718T had new emission controls fitted and this basically killed the experience. I saw a used 718 (not the S) for sale at another dealer 100 miles away and tested both it and the 718s he had in stock. I bought the 718. Virtually no difference between the 718 and the 718s in real everyday driving terms so I chose a very highly specced 718. Not one regret. In sport mode the 718 sounds amazing and I much prefer the more modern touches of the interior in the 718 over the 981.

Many will have different views so you need to go with the car you like. I spent way too long listening to opinions and decided to make my own mind up.

tedblog

556 posts

25 months

Wednesday 11th September
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hixster said:
update from dealer today - Cayman 6 / Touring launching November/December apparently.

Edited by hixster on Monday 9th September 19:08
And apparently it will be a limited production run too akin to gt4/spyder

churchie2856

86 posts

135 months

Wednesday 11th September
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starshots said:
Many will have different views so you need to go with the car you like. I spent way too long listening to opinions and decided to make my own mind up.
^^^^^^ This.

TimoMak

4 posts

Wednesday 11th September
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starshots said:
I was 1000% sure I wanted a 981s and after trying one I decided to try a 718s just to make sure. The dealer only had a 718T as a demonstrator and I was sadly disappointed with the sound compared to the 981 (which many will tell you and there are numerous debates about). I was told the 718T had new emission controls fitted and this basically killed the experience. I saw a used 718 (not the S) for sale at another dealer 100 miles away and tested both it and the 718s he had in stock. I bought the 718. Virtually no difference between the 718 and the 718s in real everyday driving terms so I chose a very highly specced 718. Not one regret. In sport mode the 718 sounds amazing and I much prefer the more modern touches of the interior in the 718 over the 981.

Many will have different views so you need to go with the car you like. I spent way too long listening to opinions and decided to make my own mind up.
Thanks. This is very interesting to someone currently looking at the market (me). I always wondered whether the constant trashing of the 4 cylinder 718s on these forums was based on fact, or was mainly just disgruntled owners of the previous model misrepresenting their opinions as "facts" to preserve their resale values. Reading beyond the nonsense written on here seems very good advice indeed. Shame about the GFPs though.

How are the 718 resale values holding up ? Any owners care to comment ? I can't see much difference in dealer pricing as they all seem to hold their values very well, and is definitely a strong argument for PCPing a new one rather than used as 2nd hand values seem to stay insanely high.



bcr5784

3,817 posts

90 months

Wednesday 11th September
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TimoMak said:
Thanks. This is very interesting to someone currently looking at the market (me). I always wondered whether the constant trashing of the 4 cylinder 718s on these forums was based on fact, or was mainly just disgruntled owners of the previous model misrepresenting their opinions as "facts" to preserve their resale values. Reading beyond the nonsense written on here seems very good advice indeed. Shame about the GFPs though.

How are the 718 resale values holding up ? Any owners care to comment ? I can't see much difference in dealer pricing as they all seem to hold their values very well, and is definitely a strong argument for PCPing a new one rather than used as 2nd hand values seem to stay insanely high.
Practically all of the road tests were also very critical of the 718 engine - so it's not just an 981 owner thing. But try both 981 and 718 and make up your own mind.

Twinfan

3,980 posts

49 months

Wednesday 11th September
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bcr5784 said:
Practically all of the road tests were also very critical of the 718 engine - so it's not just an 981 owner thing. But try both 981 and 718 and make up your own mind.
Yep, you'll soon work out if you prefer one over the other or not.

churchie2856

86 posts

135 months

Wednesday 11th September
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In every regard except the sound of the engine, the performance the 718 is better than the 981.

For me the key upsides of a new 718 versus a used 981 are:

More mid range torque so quicker in real world driving.
Looks better.
Better PCM.
Better steering.
Can have the spec I want.

I drove several examples of both 718 and 981, Caymans and Boxsters, before making the decision to buy a base 718 Cayman (arrives end of Oct). Yes the 981 sounded a better - on the few occasions I extended the engine fully through the range - but as a daily driver there is to my mind no doubt the 718 is the better car ... for me. YMMV.

Edited by churchie2856 on Wednesday 11th September 18:42

jimbo761

170 posts

27 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Three year residual on my 2016 718 C as per WBAC today is 73%, just don’t go crazy with the options.

bcr5784

3,817 posts

90 months

Wednesday 11th September
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In the 981 era there really wasn't a genuinely competent option to the Porsche at the price. Now there are. Have you considered them?

Riverside Red

888 posts

80 months

Wednesday 11th September
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bcr5784 said:
In the 981 era there really wasn't a genuinely competent option to the Porsche at the price. Now there are. Have you considered them?
Maybe for the Cayman, but nothing for a Boxster except the new plastic Z4 but at least it has the option of 6 cylinders.......

RR

neilf

559 posts

56 months

Wednesday 11th September
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TimoMak said:
Thanks. This is very interesting to someone currently looking at the market (me). I always wondered whether the constant trashing of the 4 cylinder 718s on these forums was based on fact, or was mainly just disgruntled owners of the previous model misrepresenting their opinions as "facts" to preserve their resale values. Reading beyond the nonsense written on here seems very good advice indeed. Shame about the GFPs though.

How are the 718 resale values holding up ? Any owners care to comment ? I can't see much difference in dealer pricing as they all seem to hold their values very well, and is definitely a strong argument for PCPing a new one rather than used as 2nd hand values seem to stay insanely high.
I bought a base Boxster in 2014. Traded it in 2.5 years and 25k later for a base 718 Cayman. Pure coincidence, but I traded the 718 in 2.5 years and 25k miles later for a 718 T. Residuals almost identical, if not slightly better on the 718. There’s also a lot of chat on here about dealers being unable to shift 718s. OPC had sold my trade in 7 days later.

jonttt

673 posts

116 months

Thursday 12th September
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TimoMak said:
Thanks. This is very interesting to someone currently looking at the market (me). I always wondered whether the constant trashing of the 4 cylinder 718s on these forums was based on fact, or was mainly just disgruntled owners of the previous model misrepresenting their opinions as "facts" to preserve their resale values. Reading beyond the nonsense written on here seems very good advice indeed. Shame about the GFPs though.

How are the 718 resale values holding up ? Any owners care to comment ? I can't see much difference in dealer pricing as they all seem to hold their values very well, and is definitely a strong argument for PCPing a new one rather than used as 2nd hand values seem to stay insanely high.
As I always say, don’t assume 981 owners dislike the 718 because they have a 981........many have a 981 because they dislike the 718, a subtle but very important difference in viewpoint ;-)..........now a 6 cylinder 718 is a different ballgame..........but what will that mean for 4 cylinder 718’s .........you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out........great if you like the 4 cylinder in a few years :-)

996Targa

26 posts

91 months

Thursday 12th September
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tedblog said:
hixster said:
update from dealer today - Cayman 6 / Touring launching November/December apparently.

Edited by hixster on Monday 9th September 19:08
And apparently it will be a limited production run too akin to gt4/spyder
I was told November but not as GT4 etc restricted although I think all PCs have a limited number of slots for other models. To be called GTS 4 or 4.0 or Four.

neilf

559 posts

56 months

Thursday 12th September
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996Targa said:
I was told November but not as GT4 etc restricted although I think all PCs have a limited number of slots for other models. To be called GTS 4 or 4.0 or Four.
A new 718 6cyl to be called the Four. Excellent marketing!

tedblog

556 posts

25 months

Thursday 12th September
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996Targa said:
I was told November but not as GT4 etc restricted although I think all PCs have a limited number of slots for other models. To be called GTS 4 or 4.0 or Four.
The gt4 isnt restricted its a limited run which is around 2 years production. In 2021 the new model will arrive .
Doesnt mean anything ref the 4 cylinder. It will cost double the base model . One of the reasons the gt4 and spyder is sort after is became of the 6 cylinder. If they flood the market with the 718 6 sort of steals their thunder? I reckon around the same numbers will be produced.

Edited by tedblog on Thursday 12th September 20:39

tedblog

556 posts

25 months

Thursday 12th September
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jonttt said:
As I always say, don’t assume 981 owners dislike the 718 because they have a 981........many have a 981 because they dislike the 718, a subtle but very important difference in viewpoint ;-)..........now a 6 cylinder 718 is a different ballgame..........but what will that mean for 4 cylinder 718’s .........you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out........great if you like the 4 cylinder in a few years :-)
What will happen then

hixster

298 posts

162 months

Thursday 12th September
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tedblog said:
What will happen then
Cheap as chips

tedblog

556 posts

25 months

Thursday 12th September
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hixster said:
Cheap as chips
Course they will sweetheart biggrin
Somethings up with the 981 gts though 13 for sale on autotrader