981 GT4 OPC prices increasing

[notsomadmick]

Gunso said:

The “long gearing” is just a number.

Long gearing is totally blown out of proportion. So what, you take a corner in 2nd rather than third?

I find normal cars short geared now!

Edited by Gunso on Tuesday 10th September 21:04

In very tight corners, occasionally, I use first - & really simple if you choose to use the naughty rev-matching button.
Makes the car lively and noisy for 3.5 seconds...

[av185]

freedman said:

You seem absolutely obsessed with the Brexit surcharge, barely a post goes by without you raising it

It is entirely relevant as it will have a huge bearing on demand and the manufacturing numbers together with influencing the demand and residuals of other Porsche GTs.

Maybe you are not bothered about a potential c£8500 surcharge but that doesn't mean everyone else isn't as well.

[av185]

Gunso said:

The “long gearing” is just a number.

Long gearing is totally blown out of proportion. So what, you take a corner in 2nd rather than third?

I find normal cars short geared now!

Edited by Gunso on Tuesday 10th September 21:04

Mmm not really.

The gear ratios are one of the cars biggest flaws also expressed by others.

In contrast the GT3 'manuel' gearbox has perfect ratios and is a joy to use.

[simon clark]

av185 said:

At best you would probably receive the option cost of the clubsport extra £ on a late low mileage car and whilst a few buyers may want it, the market will generally not pay the extra.

Similarly with pccbs the c£5k extra cost relative to the £65k car as a whole is huge and most buyers want steels particularly for track use due to the high replacement costs of ceramics.

This is in contrast to the 991.2 GT3 btw where clubsport and ceramics are a must for most buyers but clearly this is a dearer £ car.

Maybe ceramics would be relatively more desirable on a 718 GT4 with it being a more expensive car but I am speccing steels again on mine as they are perfectly adequate for the performance.

In terms of UK production numbers,

981 GT4 591
991.1 GT3 332
991.2 GT3 608 plus 43 Tourings

Late or early makes not a jot of difference in my opinion, although agree they (like any high end car) are mileage sensitive. I traded a well spec'd GT4 CS to an OPC in April this year and they retailed it at £85k, sold within a week. Dealer gave me strong money for it, although I was buying a 991.1 GT3 CS and felt it was worth a chunk more as a CS - not too many of them around.

Modern PCCB's are a much better option for road and track, again in my opinion, these days as you don't get anything like the pad wear you do with steels on circuit. Keeps the temps down which also helps tyre temps/pressure variation and of course not so much brake dust to clean! You also feel the benefit in terms of unsprung and rotational mass. My local OPC say they've only ever replaced Ceramics on a couple of cars, and they were 996 generation.

I wish my GT3 had them.

I stand corrected on the build numbers though as I thought they made around 2,500 GT4's against 6,500 991.1 GT3's (global numbers). For context, I understood they made around 2,500 996.2 GT3's. Looks like the UK market numbers weren't consist with that, as we got a bigger allocation of GT4's.

[jcosh]

freedman said:

av185 said:

Could well be the looming probable 10 % hard Brexit surcharge making a 718 GT4 with some spec early £90ks with a minimum £115k flip price is having the affect of supporting 981 residuals too.

You seem absolutely obsessed with the Brexit surcharge, barely a post goes by without you raising it

Not to mention CS and PCCB’s.

Don’t believe everything you read on PH about what is ‘must have spec’ for resale. There are plenty of GT cars without CS and comfort seats selling at good money as there’s a lot of people who prefer it since these are actually road cars after all.

[freedman]

jcosh said:

Not to mention CS and PCCB’s.

Don’t believe everything you read on PH about what is ‘must have spec’ for resale. There are plenty of GT cars without CS and comfort seats selling at good money as there’s a lot of people who prefer it since these are actually road cars after all.

Oh I agree with that, we all have different needs and expectations dependant on our usage

Must have extended leather is the best one, it may be nice if the car you are after has everything else you want and another doesn't, but its hardly a reason to turn a car down, IMO at least

[av185]

jcosh said:

Not to mention CS and PCCB’s.

Don’t believe everything you read on PH about what is ‘must have spec’ for resale. There are plenty of GT cars without CS and comfort seats selling at good money as there’s a lot of people who prefer it since these are actually road cars after all.

'Good money' is meaningless in this concept though.

Yes, a comfort seated GT4 will sell at 'good money' but to claim it will sell at the same money a bucket seated car will given identical other factors about the car is plainly incorrect as we have seen time and time again. The extended leather option is very similar simply because that's what most buyers of these cars want and the market values the car accordingly.

This point applies even more with GT3s as they are a more expensive car.

Edited by av185 on Wednesday 11th September 10:20

[Zingari]

Having had a chat with someone who has a 718 GT4 allocation with extras it is coming in at £98k and that's without any Brexit tax if it applies.

Given resale prices in the short term are potentially £110k+ when flipped the 981 GT4 looks cracking value and I can't see residuals being affected for some time