GT4 RS breaks cover then...

GT4 RS breaks cover then...

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DMC2

1,828 posts

210 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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That never seems to stop 'the latest must have' going for ridiculous overs. Nothing surprises me now.

992 Tourings are sitting at about £80k over, 992 GT3 about £50k, GT2 RS is well over £100k over list.

Cheib

23,113 posts

174 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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P. ONeill said:
DMC2 said:
Twinfan said:
I very much doubt it sold?
Why?
£100k over list would be the obvious reason.
If a 992GT3 Touring is a £270k car I can see a GT4 RS fetching £250k. 4 RS is a one off….they’ve never done anything like it before and given musings about the next generation Cayman being all electric there won’t be another.

It’s pretty much a one off with very few made. All the reviews rate it very highly indeed….that engine sat right behind your ears….must be bananas !

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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No car however good is worth £100k over list. We are currently in the twilight zone of the silly season just before the world wakes up to the grisly reality of money printing and artificially very low interest rates.
There is a harsh correction for both property and high end cars prices on the horizon which has already started. Try and get trade bids for a 992GT3 right now at substantial overs !. Too many of them on greedy SOR prices and not likely to shift until common sense prevails.
Granted the GT4 RS being a much much rarer car and a one off is far more likely to attain large overs but even so £100k is ridiculous !
The one silver lining to this dark cloud is that speculators and flippers will start to lose interest allowing real enthusiasts a greater chance of securing an allocation for one of these special cars.

Yellow491

2,912 posts

118 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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Taffy66 said:
No car however good is worth £100k over list. We are currently in the twilight zone of the silly season just before the world wakes up to the grisly reality of money printing and artificially very low interest rates.
There is a harsh correction for both property and high end cars prices on the horizon which has already started. Try and get trade bids for a 992GT3 right now at substantial overs !. Too many of them on greedy SOR prices and not likely to shift until common sense prevails.
Granted the GT4 RS being a much much rarer car and a one off is far more likely to attain large overs but even so £100k is ridiculous !
The one silver lining to this dark cloud is that speculators and flippers will start to lose interest allowing real enthusiasts a greater chance of securing an allocation for one of these special cars.
Taffy some cars are still selling with overs,i have been looking for a Manuel 992 gt3,one just sold at a daft ask local to me at 60k over Or taken off the market,992 gt3 now sub 200 retail .Got excited at a 991 touring just come on the market,but now at a ask of 230!These overs have always been around and nothing new,not worth getting your knickers in a twist over.
Rs track day just around the corner again.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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Yellow491 said:
Taffy some cars are still selling with overs,i have been looking for a Manuel 992 gt3,one just sold at a daft ask local to me at 60k over Or taken off the market,992 gt3 now sub 200 retail .Got excited at a 991 touring just come on the market,but now at a ask of 230!These overs have always been around and nothing new,not worth getting your knickers in a twist over.
Rs track day just around the corner again.
These 992GT3 are very spec sensitive, just try selling one with comfy seats. Paying £50k overs is one thing but £100k is truly taking the piss !
A nice 992GT3 is OK at sub £200k I guess..
When are the RS day tickets out ?

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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P. ONeill said:
£100k over list would be the obvious reason.
Yep. Can't see there's such a queue that one sells in a couple of days at that price unless someone just HAD to have that colour and spec.

GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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Yellow491 said:
These overs have always been around .
Silly overs have only been around since c2013 starting with 991.2gt3!
Remember prior to that they couldn’t give away 997.2gt3/rs , 997SC , Speedster etc!



GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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I know of one medium sized OPC having received 2 card so far with more to come next year!
IMHO the 4 RS will be at list this time next year!

TDT

4,911 posts

118 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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I’ve seen in multiple sources that there will be upto 7k worldwide.

Yellow491

2,912 posts

118 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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GT4P said:
Yellow491 said:
These overs have always been around .
Silly overs have only been around since c2013 starting with 991.2gt3!
Remember prior to that they couldn’t give away 997.2gt3/rs , 997SC , Speedster etc!
Silly overs have always been around way before,993 gt2 as a example.
Waiting for dates taffy,they have to sort race calendars etc first.

av185

18,434 posts

126 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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Yep the overs market really started with the 2013 991.1 GT3 although the premiums (up to £70k over list at one point) weren't so much driven by the low numbers (332 UK cars).

The 981 GT4 and 981 Spyder continued the theme despite Porsche GB stepping in following Press reports and issuing a moritorium on OPC flipping cars and its interesting to note that despite approx twice as many 981 GT4s as 991.1 GT3s both cars even now at 7 years on are roughly at the same relative price point i.e still around £10k+ over basic list price for decent spec and mileage examples.

Not a chance will the GT4RS return to list price due to the gross deliberate underpricing of the car new together with rarity and very low number of allocations. Whilst 'just' a Cayman it makes the new GT3RS look positively expensive at c£180k basic despite the obvious ground breaking cutting edge tech.

GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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Yellow491 said:
Silly overs have always been around way before,993 gt2 as a example.
Waiting for dates taffy,they have to sort race calendars etc first.
Yes that is when you only had 1/2 specials rarely now we have specials every month lol!

GT4RS

4,395 posts

196 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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Market is becoming flooded with porsche GT cars, as we all know the majority were bought due to it being safe money with low depreciation. That’s now changing, the difference between the wholesale bid on these GT cars to the retail price has never been so wide. Opc are now not prepared to take a chance with there own money unless they steel it off you, the risk is becoming greater every day for them.

Soon enough the Opc will lower their retail pricing to reflect the true market, as they need to sell new and used cars to make a living.

The ones likely to get burned now are the owners who bought these GT cars as investments and still have their head in the sand thinking they own the Crown Jewels.

Let’s not forget buying a GT car on a finance used to be easier, final agreed values were high after 3 years and money was cheap to borrow. Those days are gone.

A cayman gt4rs at £145k new is still punching it for a cayman, at £245k is plan daft. There are better cars that can be bought for £250k over a cayman!

Another interesting thing to look at is the spread between the bottom and the top of a market on a certain types of cars. Use a 718gt4 for example, lowest priced retail cars are now low 80k and the most expensive are still trying to be sold at around 110k. That’s a spread of 30k retail between the top to bottom of the market, just doesn’t add up.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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GT4RS said:
That’s a spread of 30k retail between the top to bottom of the market, just doesn’t add up.
It does if you factor in age (some cars are three years old, some new) plus mileage and then spec. The spread between a base car and a fully loaded one is £20k-ish too.

MeisterH

828 posts

100 months

Thursday 27th October 2022
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Dont forget....

GT4 RS spec with PTS, PCCB's, Weissach pack, and the 'watch' is £160+K!

There 80-100ish K currently over list, They will settle

Thats serious money for a cayman, same price as a New PTS GT3

pays your money, Choose your poison ...

Most OPC got 2 cars now, more to come i suspect 2023

Edited by MeisterH on Thursday 27th October 16:33

Boy0

298 posts

163 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Wonder how long this one will stay listed.

gt4rs.wp

89 posts

22 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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Same car as before, but £10k more.

J-P

4,350 posts

205 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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Boy0 said:
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Wonder how long this one will stay listed.
That is ridiculous - for that kind of money, I'd be tempted to buy a cheap 718, take it to Manthey and say turn it into a manual GT4 RS!

GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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So all the cars are going to the right buyers then!!

kmpowell

2,918 posts

227 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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gt4rs.wp said:
Same car as before, but £10k more.
Leicester always has been, and probably always will be, the flagship OPC for flipping. Followed closely by another West Midlands OPC, then up to Scotland for the 3rd place spot.

The 3 don't even seem to hide it either.