718 Engine - This made me think...
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I cut my teeth in the 90's with 4 cylinder turbo's (not boxster engines) so want to try one of the 4 cylinder Boxster/Cayman before making any judgement...but this video did make me think.
These guys are obviously playing the shock/entertainment value as that;s what gets views but the noise and turbo lag...hmmm
https://youtu.be/6BPSmUB7rpQ
These guys are obviously playing the shock/entertainment value as that;s what gets views but the noise and turbo lag...hmmm
https://youtu.be/6BPSmUB7rpQ
Andyoz said:
I cut my teeth in the 90's with 4 cylinder turbo's (not boxster engines) so want to try one of the 4 cylinder Boxster/Cayman before making any judgement...but this video did make me think.
These guys are obviously playing the shock/entertainment value as that;s what gets views but the noise and turbo lag...hmmm
https://youtu.be/6BPSmUB7rpQ
Go try it and see, don’t listen to anyone else’s opinion other than your own. Some like the sound, some don’t. It what you think that countsThese guys are obviously playing the shock/entertainment value as that;s what gets views but the noise and turbo lag...hmmm
https://youtu.be/6BPSmUB7rpQ
I've just bought a 718 Boxster and expecting it to be delivered in the next couple of weeks.
We've got as 981 Cayman and a Macan GTS which both sound fantastic on full song with PSE so I absolutely get the noise thing but I've also got a 250d SLK as my daily driver and that really is the most unappealing aural unpleasantness you've ever heard coming from a 2 seater with the roof down. My solution, turn the tunes up and forget about it.
The 718 will replace the SLK and having driven one for a couple of hours (albeit a 718 Cayman) I have to say the performance was way more than I will ever need in the real world and as for lag that's why you have a gearbox, change down a couple of cogs and the thing absolutely flys. As the drive went on I realised that the noise wasn't all that bad and when changing down with PSE on was actually a bit of a giggle.
I'm quite looking forwards to getting it.
We've got as 981 Cayman and a Macan GTS which both sound fantastic on full song with PSE so I absolutely get the noise thing but I've also got a 250d SLK as my daily driver and that really is the most unappealing aural unpleasantness you've ever heard coming from a 2 seater with the roof down. My solution, turn the tunes up and forget about it.
The 718 will replace the SLK and having driven one for a couple of hours (albeit a 718 Cayman) I have to say the performance was way more than I will ever need in the real world and as for lag that's why you have a gearbox, change down a couple of cogs and the thing absolutely flys. As the drive went on I realised that the noise wasn't all that bad and when changing down with PSE on was actually a bit of a giggle.
I'm quite looking forwards to getting it.
I think of it as a four cylinder version of the three litre in the 911 (which it presumably is) in which case the specific output is higher than the proportion of two to three. Have a look at www.polomotor.com and I think Emory also do their own now (air-cooled). Just Porsche catching up!
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Miopyk said:
I've also got a 250d SLK as my daily driver and that really is the most unappealing aural unpleasantness you've ever heard
dreamcar said:
A good friend of ours has a diesel SLK, and although I’m no enthusiast of the F4 engine a 718 is light years ahead of it in every way, not just the engine! Enjoy!!!
Let's have a peek in Riverside Red's garage. Oh look, an SLK.The guys in the video clearly need to come up with something new than the same tired old nonsense. Having actually owned "the most hated Porsche" for the last 3.5 years and 36,000 miles I'd say:
- Retained values rarely depend on options, as you don't get any money back on most. BIggest losses I've seen on any car seem to be the fully loaded ones sold quickly after purchase. My last WBAC was just under 70% at three years old and remains one of the best residuals I've ever had
- I've never had any issues with "lag" in these cars, engaging the right gear with any car turbo or not certainly helps. NA power is all in the top end, turbo torque for me is great as power is delivered so much lower in the rev band. In real world commuting this really helps to get ahead of a lot of fairly fast cars with ease when you get the opportunity as the power is easily accessible
- Sound is of course subjective, the engine is actually fine, press commentary in my view has been massively overblown since the launch. Whatever gets their view count up I suppose.
Edited by jimbo761 on Tuesday 17th December 18:26
dreamcar said:
A good friend of ours has a diesel SLK, and although I’m
no enthusiast of the F4 engine a 718 is light years ahead of it in every way, not just the engine! Enjoy!!!
Thanks. The SLK was bought as a comfortable 50+MPG commuter when I was doing 130 mile a day round trip and has served it's purpose well. However our Cayman is on another level in every other respect and of course sounds glorious. I thought about getting an SLK 55 or an SLC 43 but apart from the engines they can't touch the Cayster for outright fun and that includes the 718. Yep it's no F6 or V8 but you just need to adjust your driving style to the way the power is delivered to get the most out of it. no enthusiast of the F4 engine a 718 is light years ahead of it in every way, not just the engine! Enjoy!!!
I watched the vid out of curiousity as I'd thought at some point I may consider a used example and look at tuning it. It was indeed a right old slagging match from start to finish. They did like the exterior and interior though.
The evo description of the engine note is the one thing that still lives with me from the 718 launch, and that was that of a "fairground generator". They have softened slightly of late conceding that something seems to have changed with the later cars for the better and the noise isn't 'quite so bad'.
I don't mean to slag here as I have not driven one, but I do trust the evo guys (though some of the newer writers are not my cup of tea as regards writing syle). Anyhoo, listening to the sound on that vid, it was difficult to hear anything 'good'.
Lotus seem to have got it a bit better with their Toyota four pots (if you like supercharger whine): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjTvo933Nc but their cars are a lot rawer / louder anyway - maybe not what the typical Cayster owner wants as everyday transport.
If I am going to buy another four pot sports car (not that you asked, but forums are for such things where people tell other people what they should do and point out their shorcomings
) it will be an Elise which have the rawness that I like and secondly which seem to hold their value very well (though there are less Lotus PH threads about value 
). The Boxster S in that vid was £68k for a four pot. That to me is just plain outrageous and does not represent a good, or a sensible buy. There are some fantastic Exiges that could be had at that price point - personal opinion only.
One thing they also touched on was regarding Porsche having to 'backtrack' and bring back the F6 Cayster to try and shift more cars (their reasoning). That's great, but as I've read on here the feeling is that they are going to be even more expensive again and that would not be good - I wouldn't be buying a new one if that is the case.
It's a bit of a pickle, but I guess you drive a 718 F4T, decide you like it, think it's good value for money (after adding all the optional items that aren't standard but you can't live without - why should you have to?) and can't find anything else that you consider better then go for it and enjoy. Get it out onto one of those nice 'tunnel runs' and savour
The evo description of the engine note is the one thing that still lives with me from the 718 launch, and that was that of a "fairground generator". They have softened slightly of late conceding that something seems to have changed with the later cars for the better and the noise isn't 'quite so bad'.
I don't mean to slag here as I have not driven one, but I do trust the evo guys (though some of the newer writers are not my cup of tea as regards writing syle). Anyhoo, listening to the sound on that vid, it was difficult to hear anything 'good'.
Lotus seem to have got it a bit better with their Toyota four pots (if you like supercharger whine): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjTvo933Nc but their cars are a lot rawer / louder anyway - maybe not what the typical Cayster owner wants as everyday transport.
If I am going to buy another four pot sports car (not that you asked, but forums are for such things where people tell other people what they should do and point out their shorcomings
) it will be an Elise which have the rawness that I like and secondly which seem to hold their value very well (though there are less Lotus PH threads about value ). The Boxster S in that vid was £68k for a four pot. That to me is just plain outrageous and does not represent a good, or a sensible buy. There are some fantastic Exiges that could be had at that price point - personal opinion only.One thing they also touched on was regarding Porsche having to 'backtrack' and bring back the F6 Cayster to try and shift more cars (their reasoning). That's great, but as I've read on here the feeling is that they are going to be even more expensive again and that would not be good - I wouldn't be buying a new one if that is the case.
It's a bit of a pickle, but I guess you drive a 718 F4T, decide you like it, think it's good value for money (after adding all the optional items that aren't standard but you can't live without - why should you have to?) and can't find anything else that you consider better then go for it and enjoy. Get it out onto one of those nice 'tunnel runs' and savour
GaryF said:
The evo description of the engine note is the one thing that still lives with me from the 718 launch, and that was that of a "fairground generator". They have softened slightly of late conceding that something seems to have changed with the later cars for the better and the noise isn't 'quite so bad'.
I think later ones are probably somewhat better (I've only driven an early one) - an owner of an early one had a later model as a courtesy car. He said that the engine sounded "less agricultural" - hardly a ringing endorsement.Looking at the lads YouTube channel the chubby one is a big Porsche fan, he's got new and old flat 6's
This video's entertaining... https://youtu.be/Fa0Inn_DTqE
I agree with previous post that Porsche are in a bit of a pickle. The main difference between Cayman and the 'rest' is now the mid engine (which is a big one). It used to be that plus the unique sound and inherent high revving engine balance (no balancer shaft required!).
Take one of those away and along with the price creep it's letting other makes into the mix for new buyers. I imagine other makes are rapt as Cayman was/is killing them...
I was never a new car buyer so am only interested in how it effects used car prices. Losing a few years production of flat 6's certainly isn't helping ...
This video's entertaining... https://youtu.be/Fa0Inn_DTqE
I agree with previous post that Porsche are in a bit of a pickle. The main difference between Cayman and the 'rest' is now the mid engine (which is a big one). It used to be that plus the unique sound and inherent high revving engine balance (no balancer shaft required!).
Take one of those away and along with the price creep it's letting other makes into the mix for new buyers. I imagine other makes are rapt as Cayman was/is killing them...
I was never a new car buyer so am only interested in how it effects used car prices. Losing a few years production of flat 6's certainly isn't helping ...
I watched that original video at the weekend. It's pretty uncompromising (and a little over the top) . Not sure I want to take car buying tips from 50+ year old bloke with a goatee beard and a Lee Cooper hoodie though.
Anyway, you can pull the fuse for the 'soundaktor' which takes away some of the harshness and vibration of the interior engine noise. Did this in my 718 base Cayman and it's not going back in. It is a 2018 pre GPF car though and later cars sound a little different to begin with it seems.
Anyway, you can pull the fuse for the 'soundaktor' which takes away some of the harshness and vibration of the interior engine noise. Did this in my 718 base Cayman and it's not going back in. It is a 2018 pre GPF car though and later cars sound a little different to begin with it seems.
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