718 Engine - This made me think...
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homerdog said:
Those guys videos are okay, but they clearly think their opinions are based on fact rather than prejudice.
Which is pretty much what this thread is all about, as per normal on here. Loads of posters claiming their subjective opinions are more important than anyone else's.
Having owned cars with V8s, V6s, straight 6s and flat 6s, I do like a great sounding engine. My 718 doesn't sound anywhere near as good as any of them, but I don't think it sounds terrible either. It certainly doesn't spoil the car, which is great to drive, for all sorts of reasons. Most of the criticism of the sound is just people repeating the hysterical mutterings of spoilt motoring journalists and YouTube 'influencers'.
Slightly ironic don't you think?Which is pretty much what this thread is all about, as per normal on here. Loads of posters claiming their subjective opinions are more important than anyone else's.
Having owned cars with V8s, V6s, straight 6s and flat 6s, I do like a great sounding engine. My 718 doesn't sound anywhere near as good as any of them, but I don't think it sounds terrible either. It certainly doesn't spoil the car, which is great to drive, for all sorts of reasons. Most of the criticism of the sound is just people repeating the hysterical mutterings of spoilt motoring journalists and YouTube 'influencers'.
homerdog said:
Those guys videos are okay, but they clearly think their opinions are based on fact rather than prejudice.
Which is pretty much what this thread is all about, as per normal on here. Loads of posters claiming their subjective opinions are more important than anyone else's.
Having owned cars with V8s, V6s, straight 6s and flat 6s, I do like a great sounding engine. My 718 doesn't sound anywhere near as good as any of them, but I don't think it sounds terrible either. It certainly doesn't spoil the car, which is great to drive, for all sorts of reasons. Most of the criticism of the sound is just people repeating the hysterical mutterings of spoilt motoring journalists and YouTube 'influencers'.
Have you seen those guys car collection Which is pretty much what this thread is all about, as per normal on here. Loads of posters claiming their subjective opinions are more important than anyone else's.
Having owned cars with V8s, V6s, straight 6s and flat 6s, I do like a great sounding engine. My 718 doesn't sound anywhere near as good as any of them, but I don't think it sounds terrible either. It certainly doesn't spoil the car, which is great to drive, for all sorts of reasons. Most of the criticism of the sound is just people repeating the hysterical mutterings of spoilt motoring journalists and YouTube 'influencers'.
They seem to have owned driven/alot of cars.
It's all entertaining enough but the ringleader (Damian) definitely puts his money where is mouth is. He made his money in tech magazines. Even owned Total911 for a bit.
I'll make my judgement when I get a go in one though. Hard where I live as it's a Porsche wasteland unfortunately
Andyoz said:
Have you seen those guys car collection
They seem to have owned driven/alot of cars.
Of course I have, but that doesn't make them experts, any more than it does you, me, or anybody else. I'm guessing that they don't like 'poor' people buying lesser Porsches, as it devalues the brand. There are enough comments in that video to suggest that's the case, but the irony is that one of them is wearing a Lee Cooper hoody, while at the same time criticising the Porsche for having cheap and nasty plastic vents!They seem to have owned driven/alot of cars.
Andyoz said:
Thanks."I love the noise. Despite the fact it's a turbocharged engine, it still sounds incredible".
They omitted that line from the 718 review. Maybe they just forgot.
homerdog said:
Andyoz said:
Have you seen those guys car collection
They seem to have owned driven/alot of cars.
Of course I have, but that doesn't make them experts, any more than it does you, me, or anybody else. I'm guessing that they don't like 'poor' people buying lesser Porsches, as it devalues the brand. There are enough comments in that video to suggest that's the case, but the irony is that one of them is wearing a Lee Cooper hoody, while at the same time criticising the Porsche for having cheap and nasty plastic vents!They seem to have owned driven/alot of cars.
Anyway, he's an entertaining (rich) geezer and I do find the English humour great. I'll get a rip in a 718 and I'm sure I'll love it.
GaryF said:
Andyoz said:
Thanks."I love the noise. Despite the fact it's a turbocharged engine, it still sounds incredible".
They omitted that line from the 718 review. Maybe they just forgot.
Just watched their Ferrari F12tdf video.
Giving it some stick around the English lanes. I've nothing better to do over Xmas.
It'll probably be Spring until I get to hear a 718 f4
HighwayStar said:
Schmed said:
Not for F6 owners
It’s all a bit of a myth really, the 718 actually sounds great in my view, but then I’ve only owned the 2.7 before and think that one was massively overrated, and a bit underpowered, despite the eternal bulls
t written about it on these forums. But what kind of person would prioritise sound over actual performance anyway? I guess Porsche owners are all badge snobs at heart, lol. Who cares how it drives, it’s what it looks (and sounds) like that counts ! 
Pull the SoundAktor fuse and also have a look a what a good tune could achieve, something like +70 PS in the base:
https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=27&fu...
With a good tune you could also easily bring the existing S up to the “holy grail” and soon to be incredibly expensive to buy 400bhp six cylinder GTS...
And the gains from remapping an NA engine? Forget it. But then all Porsches are kept stock for warranty purposes, right??
Schmed, as usual totally missing the point. It's not a myth though really... It's a fact that some people do not like the F4T. Most who prefer the 981 it's for more than just sound/noise but you seem fixated on that as the only reason. You love your 718 and that's great, I totally accept that you prefer it over a 981. Others prefer the 981 with the F6 but you just can't accept or believe it's more that just the noise the F6 makes. It's rather childish. It’s all a bit of a myth really, the 718 actually sounds great in my view, but then I’ve only owned the 2.7 before and think that one was massively overrated, and a bit underpowered, despite the eternal bulls
t written about it on these forums. But what kind of person would prioritise sound over actual performance anyway? I guess Porsche owners are all badge snobs at heart, lol. Who cares how it drives, it’s what it looks (and sounds) like that counts ! Pull the SoundAktor fuse and also have a look a what a good tune could achieve, something like +70 PS in the base:
https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=27&fu...
With a good tune you could also easily bring the existing S up to the “holy grail” and soon to be incredibly expensive to buy 400bhp six cylinder GTS...
And the gains from remapping an NA engine? Forget it. But then all Porsches are kept stock for warranty purposes, right??
I could understand it if you said you're prefer the delivery of the turbo but you come across as expecting everyone to say, yes Schmed, you are right. There is no right or wrong, just what people like as individuals.. maybe you don't understand that either..?
Schmed said:
HighwayStar said:
Schmed said:
Not for F6 owners
It’s all a bit of a myth really, the 718 actually sounds great in my view, but then I’ve only owned the 2.7 before and think that one was massively overrated, and a bit underpowered, despite the eternal bullst written about it on these forums. But what kind of person would prioritise sound over actual performance anyway? I guess Porsche owners are all badge snobs at heart, lol. Who cares how it drives, it’s what it looks (and sounds) like that counts !
Pull the SoundAktor fuse and also have a look a what a good tune could achieve, something like +70 PS in the base:
https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=27&fu...
With a good tune you could also easily bring the existing S up to the “holy grail” and soon to be incredibly expensive to buy 400bhp six cylinder GTS...
And the gains from remapping an NA engine? Forget it. But then all Porsches are kept stock for warranty purposes, right??
Schmed, as usual totally missing the point. It's not a myth though really... It's a fact that some people do not like the F4T. Most who prefer the 981 it's for more than just sound/noise but you seem fixated on that as the only reason. You love your 718 and that's great, I totally accept that you prefer it over a 981. Others prefer the 981 with the F6 but you just can't accept or believe it's more that just the noise the F6 makes. It's rather childish. It’s all a bit of a myth really, the 718 actually sounds great in my view, but then I’ve only owned the 2.7 before and think that one was massively overrated, and a bit underpowered, despite the eternal bulls
t written about it on these forums. But what kind of person would prioritise sound over actual performance anyway? I guess Porsche owners are all badge snobs at heart, lol. Who cares how it drives, it’s what it looks (and sounds) like that counts ! Pull the SoundAktor fuse and also have a look a what a good tune could achieve, something like +70 PS in the base:
https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=27&fu...
With a good tune you could also easily bring the existing S up to the “holy grail” and soon to be incredibly expensive to buy 400bhp six cylinder GTS...
And the gains from remapping an NA engine? Forget it. But then all Porsches are kept stock for warranty purposes, right??
I could understand it if you said you're prefer the delivery of the turbo but you come across as expecting everyone to say, yes Schmed, you are right. There is no right or wrong, just what people like as individuals.. maybe you don't understand that either..?
Yule tide greetings to you and yours.Edited by HighwayStar on Monday 23 December 20:42
HighwayStar said:
Schmed said:
HighwayStar said:
Schmed said:
Not for F6 owners
It’s all a bit of a myth really, the 718 actually sounds great in my view, but then I’ve only owned the 2.7 before and think that one was massively overrated, and a bit underpowered, despite the eternal bullst written about it on these forums. But what kind of person would prioritise sound over actual performance anyway? I guess Porsche owners are all badge snobs at heart, lol. Who cares how it drives, it’s what it looks (and sounds) like that counts !
Pull the SoundAktor fuse and also have a look a what a good tune could achieve, something like +70 PS in the base:
https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=27&fu...
With a good tune you could also easily bring the existing S up to the “holy grail” and soon to be incredibly expensive to buy 400bhp six cylinder GTS...
And the gains from remapping an NA engine? Forget it. But then all Porsches are kept stock for warranty purposes, right??
Schmed, as usual totally missing the point. It's not a myth though really... It's a fact that some people do not like the F4T. Most who prefer the 981 it's for more than just sound/noise but you seem fixated on that as the only reason. You love your 718 and that's great, I totally accept that you prefer it over a 981. Others prefer the 981 with the F6 but you just can't accept or believe it's more that just the noise the F6 makes. It's rather childish. It’s all a bit of a myth really, the 718 actually sounds great in my view, but then I’ve only owned the 2.7 before and think that one was massively overrated, and a bit underpowered, despite the eternal bulls
t written about it on these forums. But what kind of person would prioritise sound over actual performance anyway? I guess Porsche owners are all badge snobs at heart, lol. Who cares how it drives, it’s what it looks (and sounds) like that counts ! Pull the SoundAktor fuse and also have a look a what a good tune could achieve, something like +70 PS in the base:
https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=27&fu...
With a good tune you could also easily bring the existing S up to the “holy grail” and soon to be incredibly expensive to buy 400bhp six cylinder GTS...
And the gains from remapping an NA engine? Forget it. But then all Porsches are kept stock for warranty purposes, right??
I could understand it if you said you're prefer the delivery of the turbo but you come across as expecting everyone to say, yes Schmed, you are right. There is no right or wrong, just what people like as individuals.. maybe you don't understand that either..?
Yule tide greats to you and yours.Schmed said:
HighwayStar said:
Schmed said:
HighwayStar said:
Schmed said:
Not for F6 owners
It’s all a bit of a myth really, the 718 actually sounds great in my view, but then I’ve only owned the 2.7 before and think that one was massively overrated, and a bit underpowered, despite the eternal bullst written about it on these forums. But what kind of person would prioritise sound over actual performance anyway? I guess Porsche owners are all badge snobs at heart, lol. Who cares how it drives, it’s what it looks (and sounds) like that counts !
Pull the SoundAktor fuse and also have a look a what a good tune could achieve, something like +70 PS in the base:
https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=27&fu...
With a good tune you could also easily bring the existing S up to the “holy grail” and soon to be incredibly expensive to buy 400bhp six cylinder GTS...
And the gains from remapping an NA engine? Forget it. But then all Porsches are kept stock for warranty purposes, right??
Schmed, as usual totally missing the point. It's not a myth though really... It's a fact that some people do not like the F4T. Most who prefer the 981 it's for more than just sound/noise but you seem fixated on that as the only reason. You love your 718 and that's great, I totally accept that you prefer it over a 981. Others prefer the 981 with the F6 but you just can't accept or believe it's more that just the noise the F6 makes. It's rather childish. It’s all a bit of a myth really, the 718 actually sounds great in my view, but then I’ve only owned the 2.7 before and think that one was massively overrated, and a bit underpowered, despite the eternal bulls
t written about it on these forums. But what kind of person would prioritise sound over actual performance anyway? I guess Porsche owners are all badge snobs at heart, lol. Who cares how it drives, it’s what it looks (and sounds) like that counts ! Pull the SoundAktor fuse and also have a look a what a good tune could achieve, something like +70 PS in the base:
https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=27&fu...
With a good tune you could also easily bring the existing S up to the “holy grail” and soon to be incredibly expensive to buy 400bhp six cylinder GTS...
And the gains from remapping an NA engine? Forget it. But then all Porsches are kept stock for warranty purposes, right??
I could understand it if you said you're prefer the delivery of the turbo but you come across as expecting everyone to say, yes Schmed, you are right. There is no right or wrong, just what people like as individuals.. maybe you don't understand that either..?
Yule tide greetings to you and yours.homerdog said:
Of course I have, but that doesn't make them experts, any more than it does you, me, or anybody else. I'm guessing that they don't like 'poor' people buying lesser Porsches, as it devalues the brand. There are enough comments in that video to suggest that's the case, but the irony is that one of them is wearing a Lee Cooper hoody, while at the same time criticising the Porsche for having cheap and nasty plastic vents!
The vent thing did make me laugh? Hasnt the 981 got the same plastic vents "sigh"rockin said:
Meanwhile, the other big selling mid-engine car for "mainstream punters" will be coming to UK with the better part of 500 bhp,
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/chevrol...
Mag tested 0-60 times of 2.8s and a standing quarter of 11.1s, in the initial release lowest power version. The other versions will be extremely quick. Oh and n/a fully forged v8 as standard. Shut up and take my money etchttps://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/chevrol...
Oops forgot i was on the porsche forum for a moment there lol, please ignore!
Edited by dunc_sx on Tuesday 24th December 21:15
On a whim, I bought a Boxster GTS with a nice spec off the showroom floor last year. The engine could best be described as gruff albeit it was reasonably quick.
Within a few weeks, the car started having recurring battery problems, wouldn't hold a charge so the OPC took it back for a few days to do some drain testing and lent me their 991.2 Carrera T demo. I got the Boxster back with a new battery and traded it in for a delivery miles T within a week. Never again for the 4 pot.
Within a few weeks, the car started having recurring battery problems, wouldn't hold a charge so the OPC took it back for a few days to do some drain testing and lent me their 991.2 Carrera T demo. I got the Boxster back with a new battery and traded it in for a delivery miles T within a week. Never again for the 4 pot.
GT3ZZZ said:
On a whim, I bought a Boxster GTS with a nice spec off the showroom floor last year. The engine could best be described as gruff albeit it was reasonably quick.
Within a few weeks, the car started having recurring battery problems, wouldn't hold a charge so the OPC took it back for a few days to do some drain testing and lent me their 991.2 Carrera T demo. I got the Boxster back with a new battery and traded it in for a delivery miles T within a week. Never again for the 4 pot.
I went the other way and recently traded in my old 987 for a four pot. I must say it is light years ahead and massively improved in every way. The performance is staggering in comparison. What really amazes me though is the reality of it compared to all the negative comments on here. From sound to lag to power delivery, all these criticisms I can say, what complete tosh! So much nonsense that bears no resemblance to the car, for me anyway.Within a few weeks, the car started having recurring battery problems, wouldn't hold a charge so the OPC took it back for a few days to do some drain testing and lent me their 991.2 Carrera T demo. I got the Boxster back with a new battery and traded it in for a delivery miles T within a week. Never again for the 4 pot.
Still, Happy Christmas all, enjoy the empty(?) roads.
Prices on used 718 Cayman 2.0 are starting to get silly. Lots hovering at very low £30k like this one that's barely 2 years old.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...
I really need to have a go in one as they're still abloody mid engined cars...
Late, lower mileage 987S aern't a whole lot cheaper than these base 718's.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...
I really need to have a go in one as they're still abloody mid engined cars...
Late, lower mileage 987S aern't a whole lot cheaper than these base 718's.
Base 718, particularly with PDK which suits the engine very well, is a full-on sports car bargain.
If you want a bit more grunt then pay more for an "S" - with manual gearbox if that's what floats your boat. In an "S" you'll leave johnny frenchman for dead as he potters to the shops with his string of onions and clutching his baguette....
If you want a bit more grunt then pay more for an "S" - with manual gearbox if that's what floats your boat. In an "S" you'll leave johnny frenchman for dead as he potters to the shops with his string of onions and clutching his baguette....
rockin said:
Base 718, particularly with PDK which suits the engine very well, is a full-on sports car bargain.
If you want a bit more grunt then pay more for an "S" - with manual gearbox if that's what floats your boat. In an "S" you'll leave johnny frenchman for dead as he potters to the shops with his string of onions and clutching his baguette....
For lads that already have a nice flat 6 (like a GT for the weekends) a 2yo base 718 would be a good fresh daily that sips fuel and gives a few years cheap maintenance.If you want a bit more grunt then pay more for an "S" - with manual gearbox if that's what floats your boat. In an "S" you'll leave johnny frenchman for dead as he potters to the shops with his string of onions and clutching his baguette....
As a 981 owner I will hold my head above the parapet and say I kind of like the 718, which is ironic because when they first came to market I ordered one and then cancelled it after finally getting a test drive.
From memory it was £3k down and then £47k to be paid two weeks before delivery, I then drove one for 15 minutes and promptly asked for my deposit back, but I digress.
Having spent 4 months this year in a combination of a 718 Boxster, Cayman and Cayman GTS, I must say the chassis and driver feedback offered by the 718 to be such an improvement over the 981 that it actually has me questioning if the 6 cylinder engine is all that important.
The steering is leaps and bounds ahead of the 981, the ride is considerably stiffer, the brake calibration is a step up and on the whole it's a massively more tactile and fun car than the one it replaces.
If I throw a 718 into a corner I know it's going to stick, the 981 by comparison is a bit of a pudding.
Looking at autotrader, it's pretty mad that I could sell my 7 year old 981 and replace it with a 2 year old 718 for no extra outlay. I've toyed with the idea but all my petrol head friends have threatened to shoot me
From memory it was £3k down and then £47k to be paid two weeks before delivery, I then drove one for 15 minutes and promptly asked for my deposit back, but I digress.
Having spent 4 months this year in a combination of a 718 Boxster, Cayman and Cayman GTS, I must say the chassis and driver feedback offered by the 718 to be such an improvement over the 981 that it actually has me questioning if the 6 cylinder engine is all that important.
The steering is leaps and bounds ahead of the 981, the ride is considerably stiffer, the brake calibration is a step up and on the whole it's a massively more tactile and fun car than the one it replaces.
If I throw a 718 into a corner I know it's going to stick, the 981 by comparison is a bit of a pudding.
Looking at autotrader, it's pretty mad that I could sell my 7 year old 981 and replace it with a 2 year old 718 for no extra outlay. I've toyed with the idea but all my petrol head friends have threatened to shoot me
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