718 GTS 4.0…

[bcr5784]

rockin said:

Keep on it bcrs, we're all dying to hear another 100 posts building towards how much better your car is. You've only just finished making a mess of the Lotus Evora thread. It was only a matter of time before you would turn up here to do another Johnny Depp. The disparity between your car and a GTS is the equivalent of a GTS owner jumping into every McLaren thread and declaring the McL to be inferior.

Your carry on interminably about Porsche gearing, amongst other things. You claim to be more analytical than anyone else. Well there are
tens of thousands of owners who appear to disagree with you, alongside the world's most successful sports car manufacturer.

I'm not saying anything that a hundred road testers or more have been saying for years. It seems that Porsche owners are in denial. And I have NEVER said my car is better than a GTS 4.0. But the gear ratios are VASTLY better. If you actually read what I say about the Evora too you will find that I've not said that my car is better than it either - indeed I pointed out that Harry Metcalf prefers the Evora - which I perfectly understand - I even point out that the Evora has "much better steering and sounds vastly better".

You must find concentration difficult - you seem quite unable to take the contents of a whole paragraph in at once - and you certainly seem unable to take a balanced view on anything and contribute absolutely nothing of value to any thread you infect.
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[anonymous-user]

What you fail to grasp is that your claimed "balanced view" is simply "alternative facts". You are the Donald Trump of car ownership. He's right, everybody else is wrong.

How do you explain the massive global success of these Porsche sports cars which you say are so badly flawed?

[Neural]

bcr5784 said:

I'm not saying anything that a hundred road testers or more have been saying for years. It seems that Porsche owners are in denial. And I have NEVER said my car is better than a GTS 4.0. But the gear ratios are VASTLY better. If you actually read what I say about the Evora too you will find that I've not said that my car is better than it either - indeed I pointed out that Harry Metcalf prefers the Evora - which I perfectly understand - I even point out that the Evora has "much better steering and sounds vastly better".

You must find concentration difficult - you seem quite unable to take the contents of a whole paragraph in at once - and you certainly seem unable to take a balanced view on anything and contribute absolutely nothing of value to any thread you infect.
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Start a new thread? Most of us here are buying GTS...

[bcr5784]

rockin said:

What you fail to grasp is that your claimed "balanced view" is simply "alternative facts". You are the Donald Trump of car ownership. He's right, everybody else is wrong.

How do you explain the massive global success of these Porsche sports cars which you say are so badly flawed?

Not that it matters - but I am on the side of the vast majority who criticise the Porsche gearing - those that defend it are in the minority.

The massive global success of Porsche sports is because they are very very capable and well rounded cars and have been the benchmark in the mid priced sports car market for years. That doesn't stop Porsche having a blind spot on gearing.

I don't quote "alternative facts" - you can't argue (perhaps you can) about what speeds a particular car reaches in each gear. And when I quote zeperf to illustrate the point the figures are the average of a number of road tests - not some figures I have invented.

[bcr5784]

Neural said:

Start a new thread? Most of us here are buying GTS...

Fair enough - but if I was I'd wait for the PDK version. Quite a few did on previous models precisely because the gearing is more sensible.

[Neural]

NS13 said:

Neural said:

That was my second choice colour. Mine won’t be ready till later in the week due to ppf.

I will send you a photo. Mine is off to SL Restoration for detail and then front end ppf at Wombat in Matfield - Paragon and Tonbridge use them and they are very good - have done my GT3RS and 993 4S.

Reep do the PPF for Sussex OPC, I was booked in somewhere else, but they were competitive and it's much easier for me.

[Ron-qw7hx]

Anyways.
My car (Cayman GTS 4.0) locked down yesterday for early September build....complete with REAR WIPER. Haha.

Wonder if I'll be able to tootle aboot the toon in 5th or 6th gear?? As if!

[diffstar]

bcr5784 said:

Not that it matters - but I am on the side of the vast majority who criticise the Porsche gearing - those that defend it are in the minority.

The massive global success of Porsche sports is because they are very very capable and well rounded cars and have been the benchmark in the mid priced sports car market for years. That doesn't stop Porsche having a blind spot on gearing.

I don't quote "alternative facts" - you can't argue (perhaps you can) about what speeds a particular car reaches in each gear. And when I quote zeperf to illustrate the point the figures are the average of a number of road tests - not some figures I have invented.

Isn’t the longer than ideal gearing a by-product of stricter emissions, I don’t think Porsche are unaware of it or like. But on there cars they have to make compromises to due to regulations, safety, usability, emissions etc etc.

[bcr5784]

diffstar said:

Isn’t the longer than ideal gearing a by-product of stricter emissions, I don’t think Porsche are unaware of it or like. But on there cars they have to make compromises to due to regulations, safety, usability, emissions etc etc.

Doubtless it will help a bit with emissions - but nothing else. The same rules apply to all manufacturers and I can't think of a comparable car that has anything like such long gears. An Audi R8 V8 for example does 66 in second 95 in third - and that's at 8250 rpm.

[Maxym]

Ron-qw7hx said:

Anyways.
My car (Cayman GTS 4.0) locked down yesterday for early September build....complete with REAR WIPER. Haha.

Wonder if I'll be able to tootle aboot the toon in 5th or 6th gear?? As if!

Rear wiper makes a load of sense. And you will be able to tootle - in 5th anyway.

[pgamble]

Hi all

I do rather think people are obsessing about this. If it really is a show stopper for some, that's fine, don't buy. It's also fine to bring it up on a thread like this as a negative, but once raised, after a few replies, we should move on.

I had a 981S and am about to take delivery of a GTS4 (Boxster). The 981s was PDK. In many ways I loved it - it was my first auto of any kind and was staggeringly quick and smooth. I did always have a nagging frustration with it and ironically it wasn't the length of gearing (although I did think 80 odd in second was incredible given my early cars barely made 60. What irritated a little was kick down where I always felt I lost between half a second and a full second whilst it shot the revs up and seemed to think for a while before really engaging drive. That kind of made me want a manual for the next one - not because it would be faster, but because it would be fully down to me to release the clutch. From the ratios perspective - with the auto, as others have said, they are still long. You do get the lovely sound with change up and even better with change down, but as it's auto, the sense is almost that you have one gear anyway. Regardless of the 'length' of the gearing, it has to be more involving and more fun having the choice over when to change even if it's not as 'effective' as the auto. From the really childish fun on the road with other perspective, knowing you can keep going to 85 without 'losing' time changing gear will be good in my mind.

My only nervousness is a money shift, but aside from that, I'm hugely excited.

Paul

[diffstar]

bcr5784 said:

Doubtless it will help a bit with emissions - but nothing else. The same rules apply to all manufacturers and I can't think of a comparable car that has anything like such long gears. An Audi R8 V8 for example does 66 in second 95 in third - and that's at 8250 rpm.

Of course it will only help emissions on the gearing, but my point being they make many compromises all over the car for various reasons.

[bcr5784]

pgamble said:

Hi all



I had a 981S and am about to take delivery of a GTS4 (Boxster). The 981s was PDK. In many ways I loved it - it was my first auto of any kind and was staggeringly quick and smooth. I did always have a nagging frustration with it and ironically it wasn't the length of gearing (although I did think 80 odd in second was incredible given my early cars barely made 60.

Paul

Sorry to obsess but the 981S PDK only makes 70 in second and 100 in third. It's the manual that makes 80 odd in second and 115 in third. That, as I say, is the reason some choose PDK over the manual.

Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 16th July 13:49

[anonymous-user]

bcr5784 said:

I can't think of a comparable car that has anything like such long gears. An Audi R8 V8 for example does 66 in second 95 in third - and that's at 8250 rpm.

Between them Corvette and Porsche sell the vast majority of £50k+ sports cars sold on this planet.

Corvette Stingray V8. Here's max speed in all 7 gears (manual car)

1st - 51 mph
2nd - 73 mph
3rd - 106 mph
4th - 151 mph (Had enough yet?)
5th - 185 mph
6th - 185 mph
7th - 185 mph

They've made second gear far too long and fitted two extra gears that nobody needs...

[pgamble]

bcr5784 said:

Sorry to obsess but the 981S PDK only makes 70 in second and 100 in third. It's the manual that makes 80 odd in second and 115 in third. That, as I say, is the reason some choose PDK over the manual.

Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 16th July 13:49

I get that, but you're not adding anything new here.

Paul

[bcr5784]

pgamble said:

I get that, but you're not adding anything new here.

Paul

I'm repeating something that you clearly hadn't taken on board.

[bcr5784]

rockin said:

Between them Corvette and Porsche sell the vast majority of £50k+ sports cars sold on this planet.

Corvette Stingray V8. Here's max speed in all 7 gears (manual car)

1st - 51 mph
2nd - 73 mph
3rd - 106 mph
4th - 151 mph (Had enough yet?)
5th - 185 mph
6th - 185 mph
7th - 185 mph

They've made second gear far too long and fitted two extra gears that nobody needs...

So you are agreeing that ratios that high are crap - even though they are actually lower than the manual Porsche and the Corvette is much torquier and so can pull such high gears much better?

Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 16th July 15:34

[Hilltopcam]

Update from dealer - car was built 15th June (ordered 17th Jan).
Currently showing as ‘In Compound Transit’ and location as ‘Exit Factory Compound’.

I had hoped it was on the City of Rotterdam ship from Emden to Grimsby on the 10th July, but now doubtful... :-(

That said, a Belfast customers 911 Turbo showed a similar notification, but turned up today!

Keeping fingers crossed, but suspect I’ll be waiting a while before I can hand it over to detailers to put ceramic coat on...

Good luck all who are awaiting deliveries- look forward to the photos. I’ll put mine on Instagram #CaymanGTS4.0

[pgamble]

bcr5784 said:

I'm repeating something that you clearly hadn't taken on board.

Do you see it as a moral responsibility to ensure everyone in the world sees everything the way you want them to and if they don't to personally vilify them .. repeatedly?

Interesting. I'm sure that tell's us a lot about you. Life must be very unsatisfying and stressful.

Enjoy.

[anonymous-user]

bcr5784 said:

So you are agreeing that ratios that high are crap - even though they are actually lower than the manual Porsche and the Corvette is much torquier and so can pull such high gears much better?

One can only wonder why you feel the need to make things up and peddle your self-important delusions in every sports car thread. These cars are all designed by professional engineers and bought by drivers who appreciate their efforts.