12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing (Vol. 2)

12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing (Vol. 2)

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Twinfan

9,211 posts

81 months

Thursday 14th April
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finmac said:
Ouch - cup tyres?
Exactly what I thought when I saw the pic.

Glad to see you got out OK, which is the main thing smile

Bincenzo

2,564 posts

156 months

Friday 15th April
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Twinfan said:
finmac said:
Ouch - cup tyres?
Exactly what I thought when I saw the pic.

Glad to see you got out OK, which is the main thing smile
Thanks, no injuries other than a sore neck. Car held up very well considering. Cup 2 tyres and standing water do not go well together. I’ve since replaced the car and fitted PS4S.

Twinfan

9,211 posts

81 months

Friday 15th April
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Bincenzo said:
Thanks, no injuries other than a sore neck. Car held up very well considering. Cup 2 tyres and standing water do not go well together. I’ve since replaced the car and fitted PS4S.
Good news re. the (lack of serious) injuries smile

PS4Ss are superb as an all-round tyre, and I really think people should reconsider running Cup2s as a daily tyre throughout cold and/or very wet periods regardless of how careful they drive. I've been caught out in downpours a couple of times on them and it's a horrible experience.

ChrisW.

4,504 posts

232 months

Friday 15th April
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I agree for general use, and in some ways the PS4S also seems to offer a little more steering feel ...

finmac

1,108 posts

215 months

Friday 15th April
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ChrisW. said:
I agree for general use, and in some ways the PS4S also seems to offer a little more steering feel ...
I’ve now done 8000 miles on PS4s in two different GT4s including many winter/standing water/low temp driving. Awesome tyre!

Twinfan

9,211 posts

81 months

Friday 15th April
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Yep, they're truly great. We've done around 50k on them on our Focus RS for daily use all year round and they just work driving

RacerMike

3,415 posts

188 months

Saturday 16th April
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The N1 spec Cup2 is a lot better in standing water than the N0 was.

Having said that, driving to the tyres capability as it gets wetter generally means it’s fine. That can mean 60mph on the motorway if it’s really bad, but 99% of the time I drive it in the dry, so I’d much rather have the correct tyres on.

Twinfan

9,211 posts

81 months

Sunday 17th April
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The N0 must be bloody lethal then, I'm talking about N1s which are rated D for wet weather performance on a scale of A - E.

TDT

3,548 posts

96 months

Sunday 17th April
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RacerMike said:
The N1 spec Cup2 is a lot better in standing water than the N0 was.

Having said that, driving to the tyres capability as it gets wetter generally means it’s fine. That can mean 60mph on the motorway if it’s really bad, but 99% of the time I drive it in the dry, so I’d much rather have the correct tyres on.
Yep.

HalfDay

114 posts

165 months

Sunday 17th April
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RacerMike said:
The N1 spec Cup2 is a lot better in standing water than the N0 was.

Having said that, driving to the tyres capability as it gets wetter generally means it’s fine. That can mean 60mph on the motorway if it’s really bad, but 99% of the time I drive it in the dry, so I’d much rather have the correct tyres on.
I've no experience of the N0 spec Cup 2 and, prior to buying a GT4 last year, was slightly concerned that it might spit me off into the scenery at the slightest hint of rain going by its fearsome online reputation - however a year down the line I've can completely agree that when driving to the road and conditions the N1 spec is a superb tyre. I've got a hair under 14,000 miles of daily driving in almost every weather on my current set of N1s and I've certainly not died yet!

I can only assume that the N0 spec was perhaps made under license by LingLong?


Bincenzo

2,564 posts

156 months

Sunday 17th April
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RacerMike said:
The N1 spec Cup2 is a lot better in standing water than the N0 was.

Having said that, driving to the tyres capability as it gets wetter generally means it’s fine. That can mean 60mph on the motorway if it’s really bad, but 99% of the time I drive it in the dry, so I’d much rather have the correct tyres on.
Clearly driving to the tyres capability will prevent aquaplaning, but knowing it’s capability is a different thing. That takes experience in a controlled environment on any given tyre. How do you get that and how can you prepare for unseen and unexpected standing water on a motorway? I had reduced speed (clearly not enough), but I didn’t expect a manufacturer to fit a tyre that is clearly not capable of maintaining grip at below the legal speed limit on an average, standard British motorway. I’m not after an argument, but just how much do you need to slow down? That’s the point, there is no evidence of the limit until you’ve exceeded it, and unless you are very lucky, no amount of driving skill can gather it back up as you are simply not in contact with the tarmac and the cars weight and physics take over. Hindsight is wonderful. Crashing into the barrier not so much.

finmac

1,108 posts

215 months

Sunday 17th April
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Bincenzo said:
RacerMike said:
The N1 spec Cup2 is a lot better in standing water than the N0 was.

Having said that, driving to the tyres capability as it gets wetter generally means it’s fine. That can mean 60mph on the motorway if it’s really bad, but 99% of the time I drive it in the dry, so I’d much rather have the correct tyres on.
Clearly driving to the tyres capability will prevent aquaplaning, but knowing it’s capability is a different thing. That takes experience in a controlled environment on any given tyre. How do you get that and how can you prepare for unseen and unexpected standing water on a motorway? I had reduced speed (clearly not enough), but I didn’t expect a manufacturer to fit a tyre that is clearly not capable of maintaining grip at below the legal speed limit on an average, standard British motorway. I’m not after an argument, but just how much do you need to slow down? That’s the point, there is no evidence of the limit until you’ve exceeded it, and unless you are very lucky, no amount of driving skill can gather it back up as you are simply not in contact with the tarmac and the cars weight and physics take over. Hindsight is wonderful. Crashing into the barrier not so much.
Wholeheartedly agree. I live in Scotland and it rains a lot here plus it’s often cool temperature wise. I want to drive my cars and have confidence the tyres are going to do their job. That’s why I fitted PS4s to both GT4s before they left the dealership. Likewise why I immediately fitted my Caterham 620R with Avon ZZS tyres rather than the track oriented ZZR. On such a powerful car the ZZR tyre could best be described as potentially lethal in the damp cool Scottish weather.

bigmowley

1,349 posts

153 months

Sunday 17th April
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Bincenzo said:
RacerMike said:
The N1 spec Cup2 is a lot better in standing water than the N0 was.

Having said that, driving to the tyres capability as it gets wetter generally means it’s fine. That can mean 60mph on the motorway if it’s really bad, but 99% of the time I drive it in the dry, so I’d much rather have the correct tyres on.
Clearly driving to the tyres capability will prevent aquaplaning, but knowing it’s capability is a different thing. That takes experience in a controlled environment on any given tyre. How do you get that and how can you prepare for unseen and unexpected standing water on a motorway? I had reduced speed (clearly not enough), but I didn’t expect a manufacturer to fit a tyre that is clearly not capable of maintaining grip at below the legal speed limit on an average, standard British motorway. I’m not after an argument, but just how much do you need to slow down? That’s the point, there is no evidence of the limit until you’ve exceeded it, and unless you are very lucky, no amount of driving skill can gather it back up as you are simply not in contact with the tarmac and the cars weight and physics take over. Hindsight is wonderful. Crashing into the barrier not so much.
I can understand your frustration with the situation and you have my every sympathy with the outcome. However I would respectfully disagree on one point. It’s not impossible to survive a big aquaplaning incident and it’s perfectly possible to gather it all up again. Having done many hundreds of thousands of miles on Cup2 tyres of all generations I have had my fair share of heart stoppers but so far kept it all pointing the right way. In my experience there is also plenty of warning with Cup2 tyres as conditions deteriorate, the odd snatch at the steering as the grip loads and unloads is usually the first indication. The best advice is to do as much driver training as possible, the PEC being a very good place to start.

bigmowley

1,349 posts

153 months

Sunday 17th April
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I've no experience of the N0 spec Cup 2 and, prior to buying a GT4 last year, was slightly concerned that it might spit me off into the scenery at the slightest hint of rain going by its fearsome online reputation - however a year down the line I've can completely agree that when driving to the road and conditions the N1 spec is a superb tyre. I've got a hair under 14,000 miles of daily driving in almost every weather on my current set of N1s and I've certainly not died


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Kudos to you sir if you have got 14,000 miles out of a set of Cup 2 tyres, that is outstanding, best I have ever managed is about 6000. You must be a very “sympathetic” driver smile

RacerMike

3,415 posts

188 months

Sunday 17th April
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bigmowley said:
Bincenzo said:
RacerMike said:
The N1 spec Cup2 is a lot better in standing water than the N0 was.

Having said that, driving to the tyres capability as it gets wetter generally means it’s fine. That can mean 60mph on the motorway if it’s really bad, but 99% of the time I drive it in the dry, so I’d much rather have the correct tyres on.
Clearly driving to the tyres capability will prevent aquaplaning, but knowing it’s capability is a different thing. That takes experience in a controlled environment on any given tyre. How do you get that and how can you prepare for unseen and unexpected standing water on a motorway? I had reduced speed (clearly not enough), but I didn’t expect a manufacturer to fit a tyre that is clearly not capable of maintaining grip at below the legal speed limit on an average, standard British motorway. I’m not after an argument, but just how much do you need to slow down? That’s the point, there is no evidence of the limit until you’ve exceeded it, and unless you are very lucky, no amount of driving skill can gather it back up as you are simply not in contact with the tarmac and the cars weight and physics take over. Hindsight is wonderful. Crashing into the barrier not so much.
I can understand your frustration with the situation and you have my every sympathy with the outcome. However I would respectfully disagree on one point. It’s not impossible to survive a big aquaplaning incident and it’s perfectly possible to gather it all up again. Having done many hundreds of thousands of miles on Cup2 tyres of all generations I have had my fair share of heart stoppers but so far kept it all pointing the right way. In my experience there is also plenty of warning with Cup2 tyres as conditions deteriorate, the odd snatch at the steering as the grip loads and unloads is usually the first indication. The best advice is to do as much driver training as possible, the PEC being a very good place to start.
Agree with you on this. Also very sympathetic to the situation!

For sure the clues are there in the steering. You can feel the treads if the tyres struggling to clear the water quite early on, and once you feel that, it’s time to play it safe. And generally any standing water is to be avoided or aproqched with great care.

bosshog

1,413 posts

253 months

Andyoz

2,550 posts

31 months

Saturday 14th May
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bosshog said:
For a Cat S?

akadk

1,052 posts

156 months

Saturday 14th May
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Great for anyone who owns a straight one !

keo

1,253 posts

147 months

Saturday 14th May
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I think I sold mine to cheap!

200Plus Club

9,668 posts

255 months

Saturday 14th May
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Way overpriced for accident damaged.