718 GT4 UK Allocations

718 GT4 UK Allocations

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GT4P

5,201 posts

185 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Think I will put an order in for a 4RS or Spyder RS and see what happens, bit of a gamble I know but the market is changing hopefully for the better!

TDT

4,931 posts

119 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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GT4P said:
Think I will put an order in for a 4RS or Spyder RS and see what happens, bit of a gamble I know but the market is changing hopefully for the better!
This!

northernmedia

1,988 posts

138 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Spot the difference


TDT

4,931 posts

119 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Taffy66 said:
These latest price increases on all Porsches will quell flipping to a certain extent considering that normal depreciation has returned.
I dunno if it will really change much for the next 12-24months.
I don’t think flipper asking prices will come down… just less profit made by them, asking might even go up… and residuals will be dragged up by new pricing.

ClubsportStr

371 posts

75 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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TDT said:
Taffy66 said:
These latest price increases on all Porsches will quell flipping to a certain extent considering that normal depreciation has returned.
I dunno if it will really change much for the next 12-24months.
I don’t think flipper asking prices will come down… just less profit made by them, asking might even go up… and residuals will be dragged up by new pricing.
So rumours were true no more GT4 allocation, how will this affect prices, and numbers available for sale?

rkwm1

1,476 posts

102 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Taffy66 said:
I picked up my GT4 RS on Saturday and worked out the price increase would have added £12k to my build. These latest price increases on all Porsches will quell flipping to a certain extent considering that normal depreciation has returned.
pics!

kmpowell

2,924 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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IMO, that configurator image above is very telling....

Porsche have created a Cayman market where a GTS starts at £73k, which is pretty much the same price a GT4 started in 2019 (£75k).

With the GT4 gone, and the 4RS up a whopping £10k, there is now a full £50k price gap between the top 2 cayman models! And that's even before the rumoured R is confirmed!

The £50k 'gap' can now only be filled in the used market with people wanting a GT product, but not able to afford and/or get hold of a RS, so if Porsche don't throw any curve balls then values on the GT4 will now surely climb to mid points.

Interest rates are expected to drop by mid next year, and let's not forget interest rates have been artificially low for ages, so when you are talking about £100k cars, the amount of interest being paid on balances is pretty low anyway in relations to the earnings/wealth of the actual buyer affordability, so any rises are just adjustments.

I really can't see how people can think there are going to be price drops, depreciations, more allocations of the 4RS etc, none of that would be in Porsche's interest.

rkwm1

1,476 posts

102 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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TDT said:
I dunno if it will really change much for the next 12-24months.
I don’t think flipper asking prices will come down… just less profit made by them, asking might even go up… and residuals will be dragged up by new pricing.
Limited build and limited editions may hold their prices better, but the rest are going to drop big time.



lotusgeek

61 posts

145 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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At last, I have picked mine up. I guess I got lucky as I got the specification I wanted including LWB and LED PDLS (instead of PDLS+) and I didn't want ceramics.

This is my first GT car and initial impressions are very positive. Naturally, she needs running in but with just a few miles completed, I can feel all the positive traits people talk about. I'm excited to get some proper miles done and start exploring the capabilities a little further.

I'm sad to see production has come to an end on one hand but selfishly I guess it will help with residuals in the long term. However, I have no intention of selling and the dream is to see her click over 100,000 miles before someone tells me we can't burn petrol anymore.

I'm glad I got in there before this recent price rise. It already cost me a heap more than it would have done if I'd committed one year earlier.

ClubsportStr

371 posts

75 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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rkwm1 said:
TDT said:
I dunno if it will really change much for the next 12-24months.
I don’t think flipper asking prices will come down… just less profit made by them, asking might even go up… and residuals will be dragged up by new pricing.
Limited build and limited editions may hold their prices better, but the rest are going to drop big time.
Not chance of the market dropping when base prices have raised .250k for flipped GT4RS or 150k if you can get the 1 allocation. Then 80k plus for a decent spec GTS. GT4’s are going to mid cost between the 2 as stated above Porsche are experts at not devaluing their brand!

alscar

4,071 posts

213 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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rkwm1 said:
At this rate they will price themselves out of the market.
Only if the flippers all disappear ( which they won’t ) and only if they increase allocations ( which they won’t ).
In reality the hike just gives Porsche a bit more profit and the flippers a bit less.

av185

18,502 posts

127 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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ClubsportStr said:
rkwm1 said:
TDT said:
I dunno if it will really change much for the next 12-24months.
I don’t think flipper asking prices will come down… just less profit made by them, asking might even go up… and residuals will be dragged up by new pricing.
Limited build and limited editions may hold their prices better, but the rest are going to drop big time.
Not chance of the market dropping when base prices have raised .250k for flipped GT4RS or 150k if you can get the 1 allocation. Then 80k plus for a decent spec GTS. GT4’s are going to mid cost between the 2 as stated above Porsche are experts at not devaluing their brand!
Correct and the recent huge price rises plus no more new GT4s plus rapidly dwindling used GT4 numbers plus Easter and better weather on the horizon can only mean used prices rising and strongly too.

GTRene

16,499 posts

224 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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northernmedia said:
Spot the difference

wow, still cheap such GT4 RS in your country, I bet in the Netherlands its almost double that amount!

Joscal

2,075 posts

200 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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Got to be good news for owners. Fantastic cars.

ChrisW.

6,290 posts

255 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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Anything that starts to normalise the market has to be a good thing.

I would rather Porsche have the money than their OPC's ... who do still make a good margin on cars at list.

More than this was of no value to Porsche (other than to illustrate what some would pay) and has undoubtedly debased the OPC network, if not Porsche themselves.

If my understanding of T's new prices are correct with a £20k difference between a GT4RS and a GT3RS .... for those who only want a track car plus to and from the circuit ... to my mind the GT3RS is worth far more than +£20k.

On the other hand, the pace and associated skill and mindset to go with that is at a completely new level particularly since the cars are hardly stopping any faster !

Nuttcase

405 posts

120 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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ChrisW. said:
Anything that starts to normalise the market has to be a good thing.

I would rather Porsche have the money than their OPC's ... who do still make a good margin on cars at list.

More than this was of no value to Porsche (other than to illustrate what some would pay) and has undoubtedly debased the OPC network, if not Porsche themselves.

If my understanding of T's new prices are correct with a £20k difference between a GT4RS and a GT3RS .... for those who only want a track car plus to and from the circuit ... to my mind the GT3RS is worth far more than +£20k.

On the other hand, the pace and associated skill and mindset to go with that is at a completely new level particularly since the cars are hardly stopping any faster !
He means the 3RS has increased £20k (not £20k more than the 4RS). The difference in new list price 3RS / 4RS is ~£70k

av185

18,502 posts

127 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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The 3 RS has increased from £178500 to £192600 so £14100 i.e. just under 8%.

GTRene

16,499 posts

224 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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av185 said:
The 3 RS has increased from £178500 to £192600 so £14100 i.e. just under 8%.
ah, thats about the inflation correction % I guess thats it.

rwillia2

73 posts

23 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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kmpowell said:
IMO, that configurator image above is very telling....

Porsche have created a Cayman market where a GTS starts at £73k, which is pretty much the same price a GT4 started in 2019 (£75k).

With the GT4 gone, and the 4RS up a whopping £10k, there is now a full £50k price gap between the top 2 cayman models! And that's even before the rumoured R is confirmed!

The £50k 'gap' can now only be filled in the used market with people wanting a GT product, but not able to afford and/or get hold of a RS, so if Porsche don't throw any curve balls then values on the GT4 will now surely climb to mid points.

Interest rates are expected to drop by mid next year, and let's not forget interest rates have been artificially low for ages, so when you are talking about £100k cars, the amount of interest being paid on balances is pretty low anyway in relations to the earnings/wealth of the actual buyer affordability, so any rises are just adjustments.

I really can't see how people can think there are going to be price drops, depreciations, more allocations of the 4RS etc, none of that would be in Porsche's interest.
What is the rumoured R….?

Haven’t read anything on line…. But would like to know more!

Not that I’ll ever get one or be able to afford one. Happy with my GTS!

TDT

4,931 posts

119 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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Nuttcase said:
ChrisW. said:
Anything that starts to normalise the market has to be a good thing.

I would rather Porsche have the money than their OPC's ... who do still make a good margin on cars at list.

More than this was of no value to Porsche (other than to illustrate what some would pay) and has undoubtedly debased the OPC network, if not Porsche themselves.

If my understanding of T's new prices are correct with a £20k difference between a GT4RS and a GT3RS .... for those who only want a track car plus to and from the circuit ... to my mind the GT3RS is worth far more than +£20k.

On the other hand, the pace and associated skill and mindset to go with that is at a completely new level particularly since the cars are hardly stopping any faster !
He means the 3RS has increased £20k (not £20k more than the 4RS). The difference in new list price 3RS / 4RS is ~£70k
Correct… and as stated it’s more like 14-15k.
Still with the new pricing… makes some of the back catalogue more appealing and look better vfm.

….I’ve started the next round of man-maths…