981 GTS future value
Discussion
JasonSteel said:
in the long to very long term though, i think the 981 may be the model that stands the test of time vs the 987 and the 718. in 10 or 20 years time and beyond, the slight differences in performance, handling or tech won't matter. what will matter is how the cars make you feel when you drive them and IMO there won't be anything that will come close to the drama and emotion that you get from hearing and feeling that 981 F6 crescendo to the red line.
It’s the lemon imo as it has the s
ttest steering of just about any Porsche ever made !! Like imo the 991.1 cars are lemons, 997 cost more now days !
Gen 1 eps was dire, and the fitment of 20” wheels with that dated gearbox made a car which did 85mph in 2nd.
987.2 cars already above base 981 prices !!
981 will drop to nothing imo as will 991.1.
Poor cars.
All imho, but prices are starting to reflect the above so demand is there for the 987.2 and 997,2 cars.
Porsche911R said:
It’s the lemon imo as it has the sttest steering of just about any Porsche ever made !!
Like imo the 991.1 cars are lemons, 997 cost more now days !
Gen 1 eps was dire, and the fitment of 20” wheels with that dated gearbox made a car which did 85mph in 2nd.
987.2 cars already above base 981 prices !!
981 will drop to nothing imo as will 991.1.
Poor cars.
All imho, but prices are starting to reflect the above so demand is there for the 987.2 and 997,2 cars.
Don't hold back, tell us what you really think ttest steering of just about any Porsche ever made !! Like imo the 991.1 cars are lemons, 997 cost more now days !
Gen 1 eps was dire, and the fitment of 20” wheels with that dated gearbox made a car which did 85mph in 2nd.
987.2 cars already above base 981 prices !!
981 will drop to nothing imo as will 991.1.
Poor cars.
All imho, but prices are starting to reflect the above so demand is there for the 987.2 and 997,2 cars.
Porsche911R said:
It’s the lemon imo as it has the sttest steering of just about any Porsche ever made !!
Like imo the 991.1 cars are lemons, 997 cost more now days !
Gen 1 eps was dire, and the fitment of 20” wheels with that dated gearbox made a car which did 85mph in 2nd.
987.2 cars already above base 981 prices !!
981 will drop to nothing imo as will 991.1.
Poor cars.
All imho, but prices are starting to reflect the above so demand is there for the 987.2 and 997,2 cars.
don't know where you get any of your figures from but a quick search for 987 and 981 Caymans on AT sees the cheapest 981 at just over 25k and the most expensive 987 at just under 25k. OTOH there is already a ton of overlap between 981 and 718 pricesttest steering of just about any Porsche ever made !! Like imo the 991.1 cars are lemons, 997 cost more now days !
Gen 1 eps was dire, and the fitment of 20” wheels with that dated gearbox made a car which did 85mph in 2nd.
987.2 cars already above base 981 prices !!
981 will drop to nothing imo as will 991.1.
Poor cars.
All imho, but prices are starting to reflect the above so demand is there for the 987.2 and 997,2 cars.
in any case i didn't say that 981 values would outperform the 987 in the long run, i said it would be interesting to see how the 987 would perform.
you predicted 50k+ Cayman R's yet they're already sub 40k - ever considered that maybe we all value different things in different ways and that not everyone is interested in tearing it up on public roads with the ultimate in steering perfection?
the worst thing about the 981 is also the easiest to fix - the tyres, yet most are happy to run Pirellis blissfully unaware how much of a change the Michelins make to both the handling and the ride quality. would better steering improve the 981? of course it would but it's not bad to the point where it makes a difference to most people.
the 981 has one of the sweetest engines ever made and it sounds glorious at any revs. there's no need to be at 8k revs to appreciate it, though that's where it sounds best. i also think that on balance the 981 is also the best looking. yes all 3 variants are awkward in their own different ways, but the 718, especially in the blackened GTS guise is a bit brash and i'm not sure it will age as gracefully as the 981 will. i'm still undecided on the 987.
Don't worry about 911R - he's one of the crew who insist they own the best car in the history of the universe and everything else is crap. The all-round strengths of 981 are more than confirmed by its effective reintroduction in 2020 as the 6-cylinder 918s.
When you consider 981s could be bought new from £37,500 just eight years ago the value in them was simply astounding.
When you consider 981s could be bought new from £37,500 just eight years ago the value in them was simply astounding.
rockin said:
Don't worry about 911R - he's one of the crew who insist they own the best car in the history of the universe and everything else is crap. The all-round strengths of 981 are more than confirmed by its effective reintroduction in 2020 as the 6-cylinder 918s.
When you consider 981s could be bought new from £37,500 just eight years ago the value in them was simply astounding.
I have owned 77 odd cars and 9 Porkers.When you consider 981s could be bought new from £37,500 just eight years ago the value in them was simply astounding.
My opinions are based on ownership and driving for fun over posing.
Is what it is, imo 981 and 991.1 cars will just drop to nothing as they are not fun cars to drive.
I know the default buy is a Porsche for a guy with a pay rise , so driving and I mean driving not posing is far from most buyers minds.
Most buys are status, hence some one won’t pay £50k for a Cayman R but will for a newer 981 GTS.
Schmed said:
rockin said:
Don't worry about 911R - he's one of the crew who insist they own the best car in the history of the universe and everything else is crap.
Lol, pot, kettle? I think you’ve just about described every 981 owner posting on this thread.. 
Porsche911R said:
I have owned 77 odd cars and 9 Porkers.
My opinions are based on ownership and driving for fun over posing.
you make some great contributions to the forum, but a bit of open mindedness can go a long way. cars aren't bought and owned either for purist driving or for posing. do you really think that or are you just trolling?My opinions are based on ownership and driving for fun over posing.
there are lots of different things i appreciate about my 981. driving for fun is one of them but that doesn't have to mean constantly wringing the s
t out of the engine on public roads. and just because i might appreciate the design of a car, the way it sounds, the fact that i smile every time i open the door and see my alcantara interior and the bucket seats, doesn't make me a poser. i really couldn't care less about what anyone else thinks about my car, and in fact if i wanted to pose the Cayman and it's 'poor man's Porsche' label would hardly be at the top of my list.but we've been through this before and it's all getting a bit repetitive...
Porsche911R said:
Most buys are status, hence some one won’t pay £50k for a Cayman R but will for a newer 981 GTS
people buy cars for lots of reasons. your point simply confirms mine - that in the long term the slightly inferior steering will have little bearing on the desirability of the 981, and that your POV's are sometimes very narrow minded the R may well have its day but i think if it does it will elevate the status of all Caymans.
Petrolhead said:
Can we keep this on topic please
what kind of time frame are you looking at?in the short to medium term i would expect the gradual fall in prices to continue, and the premiums from one model to another (within the same generation) to remain similar to what they are now.
JasonSteel said:
what kind of time frame are you looking at?
in the short to medium term i would expect the gradual fall in prices to continue, and the premiums from one model to another (within the same generation) to remain similar to what they are now.
No time frame, just an interesting topicin the short to medium term i would expect the gradual fall in prices to continue, and the premiums from one model to another (within the same generation) to remain similar to what they are now.
anonymous said:
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the 987 Cayman has 'modern classic' written all over it and i'm a big fan. didn't you have a Cayman not too long ago?not sure i agree that the 718 is more Porsche than the 981 though. i did a side by side a while back (though it was a GT4 comparison) and to me the 981 looks more refined and subtle, whereas the 718 looks more pumped up and shouty. still a great looking car but i think the 981 version is the purer design.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
and then there's the GTS with the black details. a bit brash for a Porsche and not sure the black details will age well. i still don't get that gaping front bumper either - definitely not Porsche like in my eyes though the original 718 turbo models are quite a bit more subtle.
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