New GTS or GT4
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EvoSid said:
Either engine option will make it a great option as a road car I feel
Bigger worry is the Hard Brexit Dea and the implications of what tariffs may be applied and will they lead to cancelled orders , big price hikes etc
No point worrying about it, it might not happen and we have no control over it. Bigger worry is the Hard Brexit Dea and the implications of what tariffs may be applied and will they lead to cancelled orders , big price hikes etc
Goldjono said:
The GTS 4.0 shares far more with the GT4 and Spyder the the 718 S.
I disagree. Only the engine, Race-Tex interior bits and full bucket seats are shared between the GTS 4.0 and the GT4/Spyder.Most things are common to all 718s - body in white, interior layout and functions, body panels etc.
Brakes and engine mapping are unique to the GTS, otherwise the rest is the same as an S or options available to an S, such as wheels and -20mm PASM specs/mapping, driving modes, Sport Design body kit etc.
GT4s and Spyders have the GT3 front end and bespoke chassis rear end unique to those two models in the 718 line up, along with unique wheel sizes and designs. They also have -30mm sports suspension, more aero and GT department engine mapping e.g. no normal, Sport or Sport Plus modes.
The GTS is closer to a similarly specced S than a GT4/Spyder, which is how Porsche do it. The GTS models are a well specced S, in this case benefiting from a substantial engine upgrade. That doesn't mean they're not great cars - they are! - but they're not any closer to GT department cars than an S or the 981 GTS was to the 981 GT4.
Porsche911R said:
Royal Jelly said:
Without any skin in this game, I’d have assumed that if you wanted a GT4, then you’d know about it. It strikes me as a similar comparison to a Turbo S vs a GT3.
They’re both undoubtedly incredible at what they do, but fundamentally different in what they’re about. One is more useable more of the time, the other far more focussed, and the king when circumstances accommodate.
I suspect that once I considered how I intended to use the car, the decision would be simple (notwithstanding budget, of course). Obviously the odd berk will choose one over the other to proclaim Nordschleife times in the pub rather than the one that’s most suitable for them, but I can’t see it being a difficult choice for 99% of prospective buyers. Equally so for a same-budget GTS4.0 vs 981GT4. They just cater for different needs, magnificently, by all accounts.
not as easy as that now, as no one knew the GTS would be a 4.0l and be really the GT4 without a few bits for £11k less so it's not fundamentally different as you state.They’re both undoubtedly incredible at what they do, but fundamentally different in what they’re about. One is more useable more of the time, the other far more focussed, and the king when circumstances accommodate.
I suspect that once I considered how I intended to use the car, the decision would be simple (notwithstanding budget, of course). Obviously the odd berk will choose one over the other to proclaim Nordschleife times in the pub rather than the one that’s most suitable for them, but I can’t see it being a difficult choice for 99% of prospective buyers. Equally so for a same-budget GTS4.0 vs 981GT4. They just cater for different needs, magnificently, by all accounts.
The GTS will do road better ofcourse, but will still be a great track car. GT4 will not be as easy to use on the road and I dare say be a bit duller, and only be a very slighty better track car and only for the top drivers.
IMO due to no overs on GT4's and the GTS being a better road car it's maybe pissed a few owners off who are now in the wrong car and also cannot sell at overs.
GT4 was a no brainer when the old GTS was turbo, now it's not an easy choice.
in the GT3 market there is no other option bar the Touring, a GT3 owner don't buy a turbo S.
Twinfan said:
I disagree. Only the engine, Race-Tex interior bits and full bucket seats are shared between the GTS 4.0 and the GT4/Spyder.
Most things are common to all 718s - body in white, interior layout and functions, body panels etc.
Brakes and engine mapping are unique to the GTS, otherwise the rest is the same as an S or options available to an S, such as wheels and -20mm PASM specs/mapping, driving modes, Sport Design body kit etc.
GT4s and Spyders have the GT3 front end and bespoke chassis rear end unique to those two models in the 718 line up, along with unique wheel sizes and designs. They also have -30mm sports suspension, more aero and GT department engine mapping e.g. no normal, Sport or Sport Plus modes.
The GTS is closer to a similarly specced S than a GT4/Spyder, which is how Porsche do it. The GTS models are a well specced S, in this case benefiting from a substantial engine upgrade. That doesn't mean they're not great cars - they are! - but they're not any closer to GT department cars than an S or the 981 GTS was to the 981 GT4.
The engine is the heart of the car, as such the 718 GT4 is just a GTS that’s been to the gym and had their teeth whitened. Agree the 981 GTS was just a very well optioned S same 3.4 engine with small increase in power, 981 GT4 was a 3.8 litre engine. The difference between a “GT car” and a standard Porsche has never been so small as it is in the 718 and no amount of people talking up 718 GT4 will change that, it’s the least special GT product, that doesn’t mean it’s not a great Porsche.Most things are common to all 718s - body in white, interior layout and functions, body panels etc.
Brakes and engine mapping are unique to the GTS, otherwise the rest is the same as an S or options available to an S, such as wheels and -20mm PASM specs/mapping, driving modes, Sport Design body kit etc.
GT4s and Spyders have the GT3 front end and bespoke chassis rear end unique to those two models in the 718 line up, along with unique wheel sizes and designs. They also have -30mm sports suspension, more aero and GT department engine mapping e.g. no normal, Sport or Sport Plus modes.
The GTS is closer to a similarly specced S than a GT4/Spyder, which is how Porsche do it. The GTS models are a well specced S, in this case benefiting from a substantial engine upgrade. That doesn't mean they're not great cars - they are! - but they're not any closer to GT department cars than an S or the 981 GTS was to the 981 GT4.
Edited by Goldjono on Monday 19th October 22:51
CardiffTam said:
his totally echoes my sentiments. I took delivery of my CGTS at the beginning of August and I absolutely love everything about it. I could have stretched to a GT4 but for me the GTS offers everything I need and goes under the radar.
Were you offered an allocation for a GT4? Otherwise saying you could have stretched is rather academic isn’t it? Rojibo said:
And here I thought I talked some s
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I driven the 718 GT4, own a 718 GTS 4.0 and have a 718 Spyder on order. As such I can form a properly reasoned opinion and the simple truth is for the majority of people the GTS 4.0 is a far better car for their needs, the GT4 is a special but niche product.t Goldjono said:
The engine is the heart of the car, as such the 718 GT4 is just a GTS that’s been to the gym and had their teeth whitened. Agree the 981 GTS was just a very well optioned S same 3.4 engine with small increase in power, 981 GT4 was a 3.8 litre engine. The difference between a “GT car” and a standard Porsche has never been so small as it is in the 718 and no amount of people talking up 718 GT4 will change that, it’s the least special GT product, that doesn’t mean it’s not a great Porsche.
Wow. So now the GTS is a GT4?Edited by Goldjono on Monday 19th October 22:51
With your anology above, you're saying that an e60 M5 is effectivley a lambo because it has a v10 engine and that's the heart of a car?
Goldjono said:
I driven the 718 GT4, own a 718 GTS 4.0 and have a 718 Spyder on order. As such I can form a properly reasoned opinion and the simple truth is for the majority of people the GTS 4.0 is a far better car for their needs, the GT4 is a special but niche product.
Ahh, now it all makes sense. You own a GTS.MannyLon said:
Fair enough, have you tried the RS?
I don’t think I need to, if the GT4 isn’t for me, an even more track focused one isn’t going to be for me either. I am sure it will be absolutely brilliant. The 718 Spyder will be my last petrol powered car and I’ll keep it for as long as I am able to drive it.In this context, the relationship between GTS and GT4 have changed. They are too close indeed.
But be reminded Porsche did this knowing there will be the PDK GT4 this time. Maybe that's where the difference will emerge. Having the PDK will enhance the relatively more clinical nature of the 718 GT4 and make its existence more justified over the GTS, i.e. the difference between both PDK'ed GT4 and GTS will be bigger than if both manual equipped. That's why I went for the GT4 with PDK.
But be reminded Porsche did this knowing there will be the PDK GT4 this time. Maybe that's where the difference will emerge. Having the PDK will enhance the relatively more clinical nature of the 718 GT4 and make its existence more justified over the GTS, i.e. the difference between both PDK'ed GT4 and GTS will be bigger than if both manual equipped. That's why I went for the GT4 with PDK.
blz06 said:
In this context, the relationship between GTS and GT4 have changed. They are too close indeed.
But be reminded Porsche did this knowing there will be the PDK GT4 this time. Maybe that's where the difference will emerge. Having the PDK will enhance the relatively more clinical nature of the 718 GT4 and make its existence more justified over the GTS, i.e. the difference between both PDK'ed GT4 and GTS will be bigger than if both manual equipped. That's why I went for the GT4 with PDK.
Pdk will allow for quicker gear changes.But be reminded Porsche did this knowing there will be the PDK GT4 this time. Maybe that's where the difference will emerge. Having the PDK will enhance the relatively more clinical nature of the 718 GT4 and make its existence more justified over the GTS, i.e. the difference between both PDK'ed GT4 and GTS will be bigger than if both manual equipped. That's why I went for the GT4 with PDK.
Goldjono said:
I don’t think I need to, if the GT4 isn’t for me, an even more track focused one isn’t going to be for me either. I am sure it will be absolutely brilliant. The 718 Spyder will be my last petrol powered car and I’ll keep it for as long as I am able to drive it.
When you get your Spyder, please do share your thoughts between that and the GTS. I would much rather own the Spyder purely on looks but having had a 981 I know on a day to day basis the GTS with the electronic roof would be the better choice for me.Goldjono said:
I driven the 718 GT4, own a 718 GTS 4.0 and have a 718 Spyder on order. As such I can form a properly reasoned opinion and the simple truth is for the majority of people the GTS 4.0 is a far better car for their needs, the GT4 is a special but niche product.
Not what I was referring to. I have no interest in your opinion, or anyone’s really, between the two. But to suggest that GT4 build slots are ubiquitous is frankly nonsense. Are there more of them this time around? Seems so. Is the pandemic pushing those slots to others while “core buyers” are being more cautious? Possibly. Can anyone walk in an order one from their local OPC? Still unlikely.
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