GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
LiamH66 said:
finmac said:
So, approx 30 months after starting this thread I today took delivery of a new GT4RS in my own spec (at list!) 
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Congratulations @finmac!!! I think it looks fabulous, just the perfect combination of understated bling, and an epic primary colour. A really tasteful and unusually non-WP spec.. <snip>Funnily, around the time you started the thread, I was enquiring with my OPC on behalf of a friend that had no Porsche purchase history. I was also feeling a little jealous that I really didn't have cash available to make more than tentative enquiries for myself. Neither of us had a cat in hell's chance of ending up with a car, as the friend in question wouldn't have considered paying for a recent used one when that started happening. Having the money is one thing, but paying so much over "list" takes a special kind of commitment. You'd have needed to REALLY want one. In my own case, I really didn't have that kind of money anyway.
30 months on, I'm pinching myself that I now have a car 2 weeks into build. I'm trying to work out the timing, but I was either just expecting, or just about to take delivery of my second new base 718 Cayman back then. I have since sold that, as I was able to get a new 718 4.0 GTS last year. I don't suppose either of those harmed my case in wanting something more special than a GT from the OPC.
While a few are construing recent times as "build allocations have become 10 a penny", @finmac and I have both done some hard yards in getting our respective allocations. In my own case, some constructive manufacture of my own luck was involved throughout.
@finmac, chuffed for you! A truly epic moment in a long-running thread, and it really does look great.
Liam
I must say I swithered between Red and WP or Shark and no WP. I’m glad I went Shark - it really stands out in the flesh. Interestingly, I spent less on extras with this than I did with my last GT4 which had full CS/Shark blue and a fair few goodies. Maybe it’s because I’m Scottish but I just don’t see the value in adding around 30% to the cost of the car simply to get ceramic/WP/PTS/Mag wheels. Then again we are all different and that’s what makes life more interesting.
Purple Man said:
I am thinking I might be in the market for a 4RS, a couple of good ones advertised on Pistonheads, but I would need a large discount to be tempted, who is most likely to want a quick deal, just phoned one Porsche Centre and he seemed more interested in selling their GT3. Got the feeling the GT4RS was a SOR car so not a priority for them.
Good luck in your search - in my own experience, for what it’s worth. “Porsche centre” and “large discount” are 4 words that very seldom if ever feature in the same sentence though 
PRO5T said:
When you look at rev prices of 991.2 GT3s (never mind RS)-still resolutely £120k ish cars with trade values still over £100k I think the cayman and spyder RS’ will take a massive production run to see them retailing at £100k any time soon.
I rather think more that by the time the electric boxster and cayman come along they’ll end up being seen for what they are and really quite special.
At anything approaching £130k my opinion is they’re as cheap a motoring a performance car you’ll be able to buy if you don’t mind having the cash tied up in one.
This….I rather think more that by the time the electric boxster and cayman come along they’ll end up being seen for what they are and really quite special.
At anything approaching £130k my opinion is they’re as cheap a motoring a performance car you’ll be able to buy if you don’t mind having the cash tied up in one.
Given the relative rarity, end of the line, replacement is EV, blah blah stuff associated with the 4RS I’d personally be amazed if they end up at £100K - unless it’s a cat D or similar type story car.
donutskidmark said:
KittyLitter said:
thing is, is it rare as it is not a particularly nice colour? In my opinion it is very drab.
For sure, I said it was rare, not that it was nice !!Certainly wouldn’t be my first choice of pts
fridaypassion said:
JulierPass said:
It’s quite easy to have the bonnet painted in that peelable paint to loose the carbon bonnet. The other carbon bits on the WP are v nice especially the air intake and air box. The black plastic looks a little cheap by comparison imo.
Mag wheels are no where near as hard to look after as folk would have you believe and make a big difference to the ride. Worth seeking out a set especially as there sissy seem to be a premium now in the second hand market.
I only realised yesterday that the WP was not actually including the wheels! So it's twice as expensive as I thought. Peelable paint is never going to match and even getting it painted would never be perfect. If you could have the other bits separately it would be great it's just the bonnet I can't get on with. Mag wheels are no where near as hard to look after as folk would have you believe and make a big difference to the ride. Worth seeking out a set especially as there sissy seem to be a premium now in the second hand market.
Mag wheels will be a pain when the cars are older guaranteed.
.I agree they potentially will be a pain in future potentially - personally I steered well clear of ordering them when I spec’d my car
LiamH66 said:
With all this non-WP kudos, starting to feel like I might be too ashamed to post any pics of my WP car when it arrives... The shame of it all! 
Weird occurences of today were that I got an email from Porsche telling me that my new one has now reached the "Final Vehicle Check Up" milestone this morning. Seemed way early, so I checked the App, and that was still on phase 4, "Your Porsche is now on its way to you". So, don't panic, probably not even in the UK yet, definitely won't be through PDI. Still expecting mid-September really.
Checked back on the website this evening, and the car is at Phase 6, successfully delivered to the OPC at 13.00 this afternoon. 3 months to the day since I placed the order and paid the deposit, and a good 6 weeks ahead of when I was expecting it. That brings a lot of practicalities I'd been putting off into sharp relief, not least of which is whether my soul mate and life partner (in all matters other than cars) will notice I've bought a new one, or I should maybe mention it beforehand, just in case she does.
First world problems, especially if I like the car!
Liam
Mine was exactly the same - arrived about a month before I thought it would! As far as liking the car goes - it’s an absolute weapon - (for me at least) makes the normal GT4 appear bland and a bit limp. Weird occurences of today were that I got an email from Porsche telling me that my new one has now reached the "Final Vehicle Check Up" milestone this morning. Seemed way early, so I checked the App, and that was still on phase 4, "Your Porsche is now on its way to you". So, don't panic, probably not even in the UK yet, definitely won't be through PDI. Still expecting mid-September really.
Checked back on the website this evening, and the car is at Phase 6, successfully delivered to the OPC at 13.00 this afternoon. 3 months to the day since I placed the order and paid the deposit, and a good 6 weeks ahead of when I was expecting it. That brings a lot of practicalities I'd been putting off into sharp relief, not least of which is whether my soul mate and life partner (in all matters other than cars) will notice I've bought a new one, or I should maybe mention it beforehand, just in case she does.
First world problems, especially if I like the car!
Liam
TDT said:
For non-wp the path is simple and clear… Don’t pay any overs to acquire in the first place.
They naturally will be lower priced than WP car with mags and PCCB come resale but thats expected. I don’t think there will be a huge gulf though, because there are so many WP cars available, so that meters the WP market.
Non-wp will drop proportionately less in value, if they have at least FAL also.
I think FAL is a crucial option for buyers on 4RS/SRS in general. Even if people don’t/won’t actually use it. They want it.
Cars without it really struggle from what we have seen.
Interesting comment re FAL. I made a point of spec’ing it on my car. I’ve only done 600 miles so far and used it about half a dozen times. Might not have needed it a couple of times but as it was a decent looking speed hump I jacked the front up anyway to be safe. Where’s it’s really handy is if your parking nose first with a kerb in front. It lifts the front well clear and removes all the stress that I had with my previous cars. Defo worth having They naturally will be lower priced than WP car with mags and PCCB come resale but thats expected. I don’t think there will be a huge gulf though, because there are so many WP cars available, so that meters the WP market.
Non-wp will drop proportionately less in value, if they have at least FAL also.
I think FAL is a crucial option for buyers on 4RS/SRS in general. Even if people don’t/won’t actually use it. They want it.
Cars without it really struggle from what we have seen.
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 6th August 20:56
donutskidmark said:
Agreed.
And it should always be remembered that many posters on this thread are passionate about depreciation despite never being a potential buyer of a 4RS.
This for sure. And it should always be remembered that many posters on this thread are passionate about depreciation despite never being a potential buyer of a 4RS.
At the end of the day though - a few guys trying to talk values down on a website (for whatever reason) ain’t going to affect the market hugely if indeed in the slightest!
If someone’s buying and is massively stressed about depreciation I suggest there’s a way to mitigate this - keep the purchase price low by not paying the carbon tax, adding mag wheels or ceramic brakes. Aim for £130/5K ish with a few “essentials”.
SagMan said:
Quick question for owners please .
How do these cars feel / excite at normal day to day speeds?
Once had a 991.2 GT3 manual, it was lovely but frankly the gearing was terrible for road driving . Seemed like it needed 8/10th plus and high revs to truly enjoy iit. Similar to a GT4 manual I drove
Does the GT4 RS with PDK plus the general ambience excite for road use, albeit spirited when you can !
Excite - yes it sure does. It’s a properly hardcore machine, a lot more special than a standard GT4. (And I haven’t even run mine in yet!). For me, my manual GT4s needed a lot of gear changing and use of low gears to get maximum enjoyment. The RS ratios coupled with the PDK are sublime. Interestingly, having read a few folks complaining about rattles in their 4RS, mine seems very well screwed together and despite the hard ride no rattles etc - so far anyway. Which I couldnt say about my recently sold 992. How do these cars feel / excite at normal day to day speeds?
Once had a 991.2 GT3 manual, it was lovely but frankly the gearing was terrible for road driving . Seemed like it needed 8/10th plus and high revs to truly enjoy iit. Similar to a GT4 manual I drove
Does the GT4 RS with PDK plus the general ambience excite for road use, albeit spirited when you can !
av185 said:
Mezgerking said:
I have until end of August to decide on spec, what are everyone’s thoughts on going against the grain, ignoring dealer pressure and going for a truly base £128k spec? There is something liberating about going down this route and at that price for a new RS appears a bit of a bargain!
White or Guards red with the contrasting black plastic vents and scoops, dark silver wheels, steel brakes, standard red callipers, plastic dash, black seat belts, no deviating stitching, no leather fuse box cover, maybe even PCM delete. I wouldn’t feel as precious about it so I’d drive it more often, so win win.
The WP has always been a no no for me, looks wise and the cost for what is largely just a cosmetic pack. Just a bit flashy and out of place with the times we are in. Also to my eyes WP actually has a detrimental effect on design and appearance rather than enhancing it.
The only essentials I can see on configurator are lift and chrono which brings the total to £127731. For £1350 I think not speccing leather dash values wise is maybe a false economy and PCM delete would definitely hurt residuals, but I can’t think of another option I care too much about.
Values will always be buoyed by the high spec models and the fact it is an RS. Less and less important as years go by when spec becomes less relevant compared to condition. Expect to take a hit, and guess a dealer would offer £100k in 2 years with 5000 miles, maybe £95k after 3 7500 miles and £90k after 4 10000 miles. But also predict medium and especially long term values to be very rosy around original £128k, maybe even more.
Is there logic in going base as no one else seems to have done it!?
Finmac on here did he led the way!White or Guards red with the contrasting black plastic vents and scoops, dark silver wheels, steel brakes, standard red callipers, plastic dash, black seat belts, no deviating stitching, no leather fuse box cover, maybe even PCM delete. I wouldn’t feel as precious about it so I’d drive it more often, so win win.
The WP has always been a no no for me, looks wise and the cost for what is largely just a cosmetic pack. Just a bit flashy and out of place with the times we are in. Also to my eyes WP actually has a detrimental effect on design and appearance rather than enhancing it.
The only essentials I can see on configurator are lift and chrono which brings the total to £127731. For £1350 I think not speccing leather dash values wise is maybe a false economy and PCM delete would definitely hurt residuals, but I can’t think of another option I care too much about.
Values will always be buoyed by the high spec models and the fact it is an RS. Less and less important as years go by when spec becomes less relevant compared to condition. Expect to take a hit, and guess a dealer would offer £100k in 2 years with 5000 miles, maybe £95k after 3 7500 miles and £90k after 4 10000 miles. But also predict medium and especially long term values to be very rosy around original £128k, maybe even more.
Is there logic in going base as no one else seems to have done it!?
Red or white look great imo classic Porsche GT colours.....and free too. Always tend to have them.
OPCs don't generally influence your spec if they try to then change your OPC.
LED lights, I use my cars a lot and stay in the country, so the best lights were a no brainer
Lift, I travel on ferries a lot - again a no brainer (interestingly I have used lift in anger probably half a dozen times already in the first 700 miles)
Leather dash - I just think it’s daft not to (plus you will really really struggle to sell without it)
Carbon cills - for a few hundred £ they look really cool!
Chrono - as above - dash looks bare with a clock
The contrast stickers - total rip off but my inner child really liked the look of them
The only other thing I swithered on was colour - between guards (as a freebie) or shark which I love. Glad I went for the latter.
On reflection, I’m honestly not to sure there’s anything I’d change were I doing it again! Car seems to get lots of (good) attention and positive comments wherever it goes. Plus, most importantly, I really like it myself!
av185 said:
Also F, how are you finding the suspension of the RS after your Carrera T especially on the Scottish back roads?
Harder for sure than the T. Haven’t found it too bumpy as yet, mind you I have not done a huge amount of backroad work yet - likewise haven’t tried the ferry but will do both in a fortnight - have a long trip to Lewis and Harris planned. One thing I will say re the lift, if you are parking head first towards a kerb, the lift gets the front end up to a more “normal car” height and removes a lot of the stress of parking. Mezgerking said:
finmac said:
My car is indeed lowish spec - deliberately so. Having had a fair few Porsches before there were a few bits I definitely wanted:
LED lights, I use my cars a lot and stay in the country, so the best lights were a no brainer
Lift, I travel on ferries a lot - again a no brainer (interestingly I have used lift in anger probably half a dozen times already in the first 700 miles)
Leather dash - I just think it’s daft not to (plus you will really really struggle to sell without it)
Carbon cills - for a few hundred £ they look really cool!
Chrono - as above - dash looks bare with a clock
The contrast stickers - total rip off but my inner child really liked the look of them
The only other thing I swithered on was colour - between guards (as a freebie) or shark which I love. Glad I went for the latter.
On reflection, I’m honestly not to sure there’s anything I’d change were I doing it again! Car seems to get lots of (good) attention and positive comments wherever it goes. Plus, most importantly, I really like it myself!
Looks great Finmac! Shark blue is a tricky one, I love it with no WP but a bit too strong for me, don’t want any attention so I’m thinking white as a classic GT colour will probably be best. Guards Red I’m considering, it’s certainly a rare choice numbers wise but a bright red big winged Porsche not sure it suits me. Shark definitely does suit the 4RS though from all angles, I suppose they should be bold colours, and especially with non WP the ducts are so much more apparent. As some others have said could prove to be v good news in the market in years to come. I’d love silver wheels but with steels dark silver hides the brake dust much better.LED lights, I use my cars a lot and stay in the country, so the best lights were a no brainer
Lift, I travel on ferries a lot - again a no brainer (interestingly I have used lift in anger probably half a dozen times already in the first 700 miles)
Leather dash - I just think it’s daft not to (plus you will really really struggle to sell without it)
Carbon cills - for a few hundred £ they look really cool!
Chrono - as above - dash looks bare with a clock
The contrast stickers - total rip off but my inner child really liked the look of them
The only other thing I swithered on was colour - between guards (as a freebie) or shark which I love. Glad I went for the latter.
On reflection, I’m honestly not to sure there’s anything I’d change were I doing it again! Car seems to get lots of (good) attention and positive comments wherever it goes. Plus, most importantly, I really like it myself!
Your spec is very similar to mine, I added a few more little things that I liked - painted cage, chrono, CF cills, white dials and the rip off stickers.
GT4RS said:
fridaypassion said:
When does production end?
They will drag out the 718 platform for as long as they can!Will they run the current 718 along side the new electric cayman / boxster, like they have with the Macan.
larskernisfast said:
lot of talk about values, but very few buyers under list when 70% people on here moaned they could not get one.
Where are these moaners now you can buy a 4RS under list ? , I'll tell you still moaning and talking values. ! Was all talk it seems.
I could not get one new, but bought one under list and full PPF, in today prices that would save me £11k off RRP. I don't even get why people even want a allocation when you can buy one £10k under list ? ones close to you spec always pop up, in fact mine is 100% the spec I would have done.
I missed out on one then one to my total spec came up and I bought it within 1 day of it being listed.
Why are the same people still moaning 2 years down the line now these are under list ? seems a lot of wannabe's who just moan day on day about values and will never own or buy one.
It's a crazy car, it has it's faults like all cars, ie a bit bouncy but fixable, very loud, but I have dropped mine 5 DB and now it sounds like a BMW CSL on steroids.
I think of it as the modern 964RS , lots of haters now, but when you cannot get one every one will want it because there is NOTHING else like it, I would say it might even go up in value long term.
Mine will be sold by then I just bought it to try it and have some fun. And it has to be the most fun car you can buy today if you are in the mood to grab it and drive it like a mad man.
Interested in what you did to drop the noise by 5db please? (Is that across the Rev range or at 9K full chat)?Where are these moaners now you can buy a 4RS under list ? , I'll tell you still moaning and talking values. ! Was all talk it seems.
I could not get one new, but bought one under list and full PPF, in today prices that would save me £11k off RRP. I don't even get why people even want a allocation when you can buy one £10k under list ? ones close to you spec always pop up, in fact mine is 100% the spec I would have done.
I missed out on one then one to my total spec came up and I bought it within 1 day of it being listed.
Why are the same people still moaning 2 years down the line now these are under list ? seems a lot of wannabe's who just moan day on day about values and will never own or buy one.
It's a crazy car, it has it's faults like all cars, ie a bit bouncy but fixable, very loud, but I have dropped mine 5 DB and now it sounds like a BMW CSL on steroids.
I think of it as the modern 964RS , lots of haters now, but when you cannot get one every one will want it because there is NOTHING else like it, I would say it might even go up in value long term.
Mine will be sold by then I just bought it to try it and have some fun. And it has to be the most fun car you can buy today if you are in the mood to grab it and drive it like a mad man.
TDT said:
larskernisfast said:
philj said:
Understood, but would be interesting to know how Lars achieved the reduction.
I 1st put 3" 30db reducing acoustic mat over the whole top intake, but that did nothing. ! bugger.The noise comes from the inner tubes inside which feeds the air box, atm I just have a temp solution with a pillow and a towel wrapped round those arms.
I think the best thing to do would be buy non WP arms if possible and dyno mat them. it sounds great though, no high pitched ear bleeding, Just raw lower low intake noise 5db less. it's actually pretty cool now.
LiamH66 said:
And while I remember... @gashead1105, I did remember to ask if they had any allocations remaining for GT4 RS's just now. I'd like to say it was just on your behalf, but I also have friend with no Porsche history, no intent to ever admit to wanting a Porsche, that is really smitten by the idea of a new GT4 RS. They don't have anything available, and I got a look that said "Do you really think you were the last on the list?" I'm not their wealthiest customer, but I have been very loyal for 8 years and 5 cars now.
Casting cynicism aside... I've got to know a few in sales and service at that OPC over those years, but never really met the Sales Manager apart from the odd phone call. He came to say hello during the handover, and told they enjoy my custom because I buy the cars for what they are, use them as intended, but look after them as much as I can. I can see that, because it means I spend with them of course, but it also means they get the option of well-maintained used cars. As much as that, I know how much of a kick their service technicians get out of looking after a car used as intended, rather than an abused "flipper", or an unused Garage Queen. They've told me as much.
The last person to show up during the handover, quite by chance, was one of the "collection and delivery" drivers from the OPC. With me having owned a few over recent years, we are on very friendly terms, and we are both massively enthusiastic about driving Porsches, and comparing their relative merits. He was very directly instrumental in my Cayman GTS 4.0 order being placed in 2022. As it turned out later, it seems he was in no small part responsible for reminding people that I had expressed an interest in a GT4 RS at launch, but that I wasn't expecting it to amount to getting offered a car. I was quite overcome that he appeared, and I gave him a huge hug when he offered a handshake this morning.
So finally... I didn't phone around dealers trying to get one of those mysterious allocations that @finmac mentions, only available to people that don't want one. In fact all I did was express an early interest, knowing I wouldn't be high on the list. But when it came to it, albeit towards the end of production as it seems, they called me. Might have been because there are fewer asking to be on the list. Genuinely doesn't seem to be because allocations are ten a penny, although plenty of potential flippers are likely to catch a cold now. Moot point from my perspective, as I was after a car rather than a financial instrument. However cynical any of us might be, that's a better thing all round for everyone.
Liam
Well done Liam, car looks awesome and you will have some serious fun for sure. Your story is very similar to mine regarding getting an “add on free” allocation, I purchased 3 (sports cars) new over the past 4 years, returning them all to my OPC, on SOR or trade in. This was a massive factor in securing a GT4RS allocation earlier this year. Despite my buying history I’m certain I couldn’t go back and get another GT4RS or SRS as they have allocated everything they expect to get between now and build ceasing already to existing long term customers. Casting cynicism aside... I've got to know a few in sales and service at that OPC over those years, but never really met the Sales Manager apart from the odd phone call. He came to say hello during the handover, and told they enjoy my custom because I buy the cars for what they are, use them as intended, but look after them as much as I can. I can see that, because it means I spend with them of course, but it also means they get the option of well-maintained used cars. As much as that, I know how much of a kick their service technicians get out of looking after a car used as intended, rather than an abused "flipper", or an unused Garage Queen. They've told me as much.
The last person to show up during the handover, quite by chance, was one of the "collection and delivery" drivers from the OPC. With me having owned a few over recent years, we are on very friendly terms, and we are both massively enthusiastic about driving Porsches, and comparing their relative merits. He was very directly instrumental in my Cayman GTS 4.0 order being placed in 2022. As it turned out later, it seems he was in no small part responsible for reminding people that I had expressed an interest in a GT4 RS at launch, but that I wasn't expecting it to amount to getting offered a car. I was quite overcome that he appeared, and I gave him a huge hug when he offered a handshake this morning.
So finally... I didn't phone around dealers trying to get one of those mysterious allocations that @finmac mentions, only available to people that don't want one. In fact all I did was express an early interest, knowing I wouldn't be high on the list. But when it came to it, albeit towards the end of production as it seems, they called me. Might have been because there are fewer asking to be on the list. Genuinely doesn't seem to be because allocations are ten a penny, although plenty of potential flippers are likely to catch a cold now. Moot point from my perspective, as I was after a car rather than a financial instrument. However cynical any of us might be, that's a better thing all round for everyone.
Liam
Edited by finmac on Saturday 24th August 09:19
bigmowley said:
To put a bit more meat on the £65K question. I’ve had multiple GT4’s and one 4RS so far!
I don’t actually like the GT4 that much, certainly not as much as a lot of the fan boys out there. But it is an OK car hobbled by the gearing and cabin drone but fun to drive on track and fairly bullet proof. I have never seen them as £100K cars but at £70-£80K for a nice one fair value. The RS on the other hand is a completely different animal, quite feral, glorious engine and box, very single minded oh and bloody noisy! That single minded focus to me makes the most sense at the lower price point we are at now a £130K RS is bloody good value. I don’t see the value in an RS at £170K, there are so many more much more desirable cars out there at that level with a wider operating range and just as much fun, even within the Porsche GT car range there are more choices at that level. £170K for a Cayman your having a laugh.
Having owned two 718 GT4s I fully agree BM. They never really fully did it for me. The RS is a vastly different beast, difference between my last GT4 (fully loaded CS and a couple years ago now) and my 2024 RS was more like £30/5K ish mind you - a no brainer at that level especially….I don’t actually like the GT4 that much, certainly not as much as a lot of the fan boys out there. But it is an OK car hobbled by the gearing and cabin drone but fun to drive on track and fairly bullet proof. I have never seen them as £100K cars but at £70-£80K for a nice one fair value. The RS on the other hand is a completely different animal, quite feral, glorious engine and box, very single minded oh and bloody noisy! That single minded focus to me makes the most sense at the lower price point we are at now a £130K RS is bloody good value. I don’t see the value in an RS at £170K, there are so many more much more desirable cars out there at that level with a wider operating range and just as much fun, even within the Porsche GT car range there are more choices at that level. £170K for a Cayman your having a laugh.
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