GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
J-P said:
kmpowell said:
MR car has appeared at South Lakes…
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Phwoar - lovely! Price is a little punchy though!https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Edited by kmpowell on Sunday 4th May 12:08
ChrisW. said:
https://jzmporsche.com/cars/porsche-718-p0700/
Very expensive considering that this car has ST discs and has been on the market for a very long time. At a good price given the full MR car cost but for some reason MR doesn't convert into much of a price premium ??
Yeah I think that because as Friday Passion says, once you’re into spending that kind of money, may as well go the whole hog and buy a 3RS? Very expensive considering that this car has ST discs and has been on the market for a very long time. At a good price given the full MR car cost but for some reason MR doesn't convert into much of a price premium ??
This would be a better alternative/safer money https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991...
The 4RS is a car that sits in a slightly odd place with slightly older 3RS cars probably being better or at least faster for track. When you have been up close to the 992RS you realise the 4RS is only a mild track car in the modern landscape. It could probably be described best as a fast road/track car Vs the 3RS being pretty much a race car for the road. It's great as it allowed Porsche to put the proper engine into their best road car.
But
The 718 GT4 semi skimmed its such a good road car do you really need a 4RS? Most people probably don't. I think thats why a lot of the 4RS cars are hanging about. The owner of the MR car should look at swapping the bits off and returning it to OEM as I'm sure he would get good money for the MR bits and then have more chance of selling the car. I would think an MR 4RS is a really very niche car assuming it ruins it for the road I think most 4RS owners are probably mainly using on the road with track being an important but secondary priority.
The 4RS is a car that sits in a slightly odd place with slightly older 3RS cars probably being better or at least faster for track. When you have been up close to the 992RS you realise the 4RS is only a mild track car in the modern landscape. It could probably be described best as a fast road/track car Vs the 3RS being pretty much a race car for the road. It's great as it allowed Porsche to put the proper engine into their best road car.
But
The 718 GT4 semi skimmed its such a good road car do you really need a 4RS? Most people probably don't. I think thats why a lot of the 4RS cars are hanging about. The owner of the MR car should look at swapping the bits off and returning it to OEM as I'm sure he would get good money for the MR bits and then have more chance of selling the car. I would think an MR 4RS is a really very niche car assuming it ruins it for the road I think most 4RS owners are probably mainly using on the road with track being an important but secondary priority.
fridaypassion said:
This would be a better alternative/safer money https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991...
The 4RS is a car that sits in a slightly odd place with slightly older 3RS cars probably being better or at least faster for track. When you have been up close to the 992RS you realise the 4RS is only a mild track car in the modern landscape. It could probably be described best as a fast road/track car Vs the 3RS being pretty much a race car for the road. It's great as it allowed Porsche to put the proper engine into their best road car.
But
The 718 GT4 semi skimmed its such a good road car do you really need a 4RS? Most people probably don't. I think thats why a lot of the 4RS cars are hanging about. The owner of the MR car should look at swapping the bits off and returning it to OEM as I'm sure he would get good money for the MR bits and then have more chance of selling the car. I would think an MR 4RS is a really very niche car assuming it ruins it for the road I think most 4RS owners are probably mainly using on the road with track being an important but secondary priority.
Yeah I agree. 4RS or Spyder RS would be fine for me. Can’t get a new GT4 (that’s not an RS), so if new is what you want, then it’s 4RS or nothing (assuming you want a GT car). 992 GT3 RS is an absolute beast but mega money. Cheapest used one is about £230k and dealership won’t sell you one. I asked about a 992.2 GT3 and was politely told to Foxtrot Oscar, so again only the used market is available. BUT I think I’d probably rather get a very lightly used 992.2 GT3 over a 4RS (Spyder RS a different proposition).The 4RS is a car that sits in a slightly odd place with slightly older 3RS cars probably being better or at least faster for track. When you have been up close to the 992RS you realise the 4RS is only a mild track car in the modern landscape. It could probably be described best as a fast road/track car Vs the 3RS being pretty much a race car for the road. It's great as it allowed Porsche to put the proper engine into their best road car.
But
The 718 GT4 semi skimmed its such a good road car do you really need a 4RS? Most people probably don't. I think thats why a lot of the 4RS cars are hanging about. The owner of the MR car should look at swapping the bits off and returning it to OEM as I'm sure he would get good money for the MR bits and then have more chance of selling the car. I would think an MR 4RS is a really very niche car assuming it ruins it for the road I think most 4RS owners are probably mainly using on the road with track being an important but secondary priority.
GT3s and RS are definitely available I know 2 lads bought spec locked cars at list it's the same games they were playing with the 4RS we're in an odd place in history where nobody wants the very best cars that are going to be made.
Porsche have the true high performance sports car market absolutely cornered and still can't sell the 4RS. Odd times. The Emira was a glimmer of hope but they look to be doing nothing with the outgoing V6 and the AMG looks to be underwhelming at the moment and who wants a 4 banger when you can get the 4.0 Porsche engine? The 4RS is dynamically better than the Emira as well. The Semi Skimmed is to be fair especially with the ceramics.
Porsche have the true high performance sports car market absolutely cornered and still can't sell the 4RS. Odd times. The Emira was a glimmer of hope but they look to be doing nothing with the outgoing V6 and the AMG looks to be underwhelming at the moment and who wants a 4 banger when you can get the 4.0 Porsche engine? The 4RS is dynamically better than the Emira as well. The Semi Skimmed is to be fair especially with the ceramics.
av185 said:
I remember seeing that as a new car! Thing is I want one but need to exit my car to get one and can't do that until next year! If anybody knows of a Porsche dealership that is allowing allocations to 992.2 GT3, then please let me know and I'm totally up for it next summer.ETA - don't think it will sell at that price - you can get a new one for less - have to really WANT Birch Green.
Edited by J-P on Sunday 18th May 12:33
fridaypassion said:
...When you have been up close to the 992RS you realise the 4RS is only a mild track car in the modern landscape. It could probably be described best as a fast road/track car Vs the 3RS being pretty much a race car for the road.
I can't remember who it was from Porsche, but I remember reading somewhere that with the GT4 RS they were aiming to maximise fun ahead of absolute track pace. I feel like they succeeded, but it means it's a little compromised as a track car, and very compromised as a road car. Having been out on track in mine on Thursday, I had a choice of GT4 RS or C GTS 4.0 to go into work on Friday morning. I hadn't yet cleaned the RS, so no inconvenience, but the GTS won, if just give my lug 'oles a rest.A few 992 GT3RS out at the track day, one of them particularly well driven. They are a very serious piece of track kit compared to the GT4 RS. As you say, different league. I don't think I want one though.
fridaypassion said:
The 718 GT4 semi skimmed its such a good road car do you really need a 4RS? Most people probably don't. I think thats why a lot of the 4RS cars are hanging about.
I agree. No one needs a GT4 RS as a road car. Of the two Caymans I have at the moment, a 718 GT4 sits neatly in the middle, doing both jobs almost as well.Liam
Most performance cars are struggling to shift, not just 4RS.
I know a few GT4 owners who have moved onto the 4RS.
Think you either like the cayman platform or not.
I never really jelled with the 911 or GT3 variants having driven a few.
Also, don’t think Porsche have cornered the performance car market, McLaren would have something to say about that
I know a few GT4 owners who have moved onto the 4RS.
Think you either like the cayman platform or not.
I never really jelled with the 911 or GT3 variants having driven a few.
Also, don’t think Porsche have cornered the performance car market, McLaren would have something to say about that
I didnt say they have cornered the performance car market I said the high performance Sports car market. This is the sector of drivers cars sitting underneath the supercar bracket. The Emira was the nearest competition I guess the top end of the Alpine range is nibbling at it but even though they are great cars they dont come close to the 4RS. Theres not an awful lot of new cars available in this sector any more and I'm only talking brand new current cars. If you introduce used there is a lot of choice and yes a fall in demand. I'm full engaged in this running a business managing the decline in prices on almost everything. There are a couple of rare Lotus models that are still Covid money but the stuff I deal with there are some proper bargains out there. Odd times as a lot of cars that are sitting unloved at the moment will be very very desirable when they finally take them off market the Caymans and 911s are right at the forefront of this but Porsche are likely to keep the 911 the last home for the petrol engines they are allowed to produce.
If they ever do actually implement a full ICE ban or legislate so that they are all but unattainable there will be a scramble for cars that will make the Covid boom look like a small blip. Same for commercials I think I would need to buy a van or truck to put away to see me out to retirement so I don't have to use electric.
I think with the 4RS there will be a surge in interest in them when they announce the end of production as there will be FOMO from the many many people that sit in the fence. When they are gone they are gone and I still feel its possibly unlikely they will make a replacement for the 4RS or if they do it would be something much more technically advanced like the current 992 RS and therefore it will be a vastly more expensive car. The 4RS when you think of it is a pretty basic car really compared to the 992 RS.
If they ever do actually implement a full ICE ban or legislate so that they are all but unattainable there will be a scramble for cars that will make the Covid boom look like a small blip. Same for commercials I think I would need to buy a van or truck to put away to see me out to retirement so I don't have to use electric.
I think with the 4RS there will be a surge in interest in them when they announce the end of production as there will be FOMO from the many many people that sit in the fence. When they are gone they are gone and I still feel its possibly unlikely they will make a replacement for the 4RS or if they do it would be something much more technically advanced like the current 992 RS and therefore it will be a vastly more expensive car. The 4RS when you think of it is a pretty basic car really compared to the 992 RS.
I think there's a bit of lineage going on if the CSL was the "attainable" car of the 2000s is the 4RS a contender for the 2200s? I think so.
It will always be remembered for the soundtrack which is totally unique in any modern era car. The closest factory car that's not a caterham I've experienced for intake nose is the Elise Sport 190 which came on throttle bodies from the factory. I have one of the 33 that made it's a quite incredible car and from an era way in the past now where a manufacturer could make something so crazy (and uncompliant on emissions from new!)
It will always be remembered for the soundtrack which is totally unique in any modern era car. The closest factory car that's not a caterham I've experienced for intake nose is the Elise Sport 190 which came on throttle bodies from the factory. I have one of the 33 that made it's a quite incredible car and from an era way in the past now where a manufacturer could make something so crazy (and uncompliant on emissions from new!)
J-P said:
av185 said:
I remember seeing that as a new car! Thing is I want one but need to exit my car to get one and can't do that until next year! If anybody knows of a Porsche dealership that is allowing allocations to 992.2 GT3, then please let me know and I'm totally up for it next summer.ETA - don't think it will sell at that price - you can get a new one for less - have to really WANT Birch Green.
Edited by J-P on Sunday 18th May 12:33
Cards on the table; I love the GT4 RS and also the 992 GT3 RS. Both, epic cars, but quite different. Only been pax in them both, but there's a considerable difference between them in feel.
A mate who has a 4 RS, traded his 991.2 GT3 RS for it and had an interesting opinion. He felt overwhelmed by the grip and outright potential of the 3 RS, but immediately felt more comfortable with the 4 RS. He feels the difference in the platform (mid engine) also also the fact the 4 RS is deliberately under-tyred, meant it was more communicative and predictable for a mere mortal.
I like the noise of the 4 RS and reckon I could probably (all theoretical) live with that better than the lack of frunk in the 3 RS.
I'd definitely agree the 4RS is currently underrated.
A mate who has a 4 RS, traded his 991.2 GT3 RS for it and had an interesting opinion. He felt overwhelmed by the grip and outright potential of the 3 RS, but immediately felt more comfortable with the 4 RS. He feels the difference in the platform (mid engine) also also the fact the 4 RS is deliberately under-tyred, meant it was more communicative and predictable for a mere mortal.
I like the noise of the 4 RS and reckon I could probably (all theoretical) live with that better than the lack of frunk in the 3 RS.
I'd definitely agree the 4RS is currently underrated.
Digga said:
Cards on the table; I love the GT4 RS and also the 992 GT3 RS. Both, epic cars, but quite different. Only been pax in them both, but there's a considerable difference between them in feel.
A mate who has a 4 RS, traded his 991.2 GT3 RS for it and had an interesting opinion. He felt overwhelmed by the grip and outright potential of the 3 RS, but immediately felt more comfortable with the 4 RS. He feels the difference in the platform (mid engine) also also the fact the 4 RS is deliberately under-tyred, meant it was more communicative and predictable for a mere mortal.
I like the noise of the 4 RS and reckon I could probably (all theoretical) live with that better than the lack of frunk in the 3 RS.
I'd definitely agree the 4RS is currently underrated.
Agree. I've owned both. The 992 3RS is uber capable. Totally planted and stable yet surprisingly communicative. Perhaps too fast which means any mistake actually near the limit can be punishing. As a result I drove it less hard. The 4RS is a hot rod. More engine than the chassis or tyres can take; mostly in a good way. Less predictable at its (lower) limits but really sweet up to that point.A mate who has a 4 RS, traded his 991.2 GT3 RS for it and had an interesting opinion. He felt overwhelmed by the grip and outright potential of the 3 RS, but immediately felt more comfortable with the 4 RS. He feels the difference in the platform (mid engine) also also the fact the 4 RS is deliberately under-tyred, meant it was more communicative and predictable for a mere mortal.
I like the noise of the 4 RS and reckon I could probably (all theoretical) live with that better than the lack of frunk in the 3 RS.
I'd definitely agree the 4RS is currently underrated.
I think the 4RS will be remembered longer as the first and last of something. The 992 RS may be the last NA 911 RS but will otherwise be yet another excellent 911 in the line.
fridaypassion said:
The 718 GT4 semi skimmed its such a good road car do you really need a 4RS? Most people probably don't. I think thats why a lot of the 4RS cars are hanging about.
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