GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
donutskidmark said:
fridaypassion said:
The 718 GT4 semi skimmed its such a good road car do you really need a 4RS? Most people probably don't. I think thats why a lot of the 4RS cars are hanging about.
I’ve had two GT4’s in the past and now have a GT4RS- there is absolutely no similarity in performance- the standard GT4 feels 100% lame in comparison……. As a road car I would query the opportunities to use the extra performance and I would question the number of times when the extra stiffness and noise might compromise the usage opportunities ??
As a piece of theatre it is wonderful, but so is a humble 981GT4 which in the day was voted number 1 by EVO in competition with the 991.1 GT3RS ... as a road car !
It’s just autotrader tactics…
The car priced up on the configurator is the same 153k.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
The car priced up on the configurator is the same 153k.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
A great shame. More a reflection of the times than the cars.
991.1 and .2 saw greater numbers of GT and RS pumped out. Finance rates are now higher, the economy is certainly not 'happier' and it is now getting very tricky to insure £100k plus cars for track. The market is being squeezed on several fronts.
It's not just the GT4 RS. There's a few 991.2 GT3 RS that have stuck for a good while. Those more gifted with the Autotrader stats will no doubt know this.
991.1 and .2 saw greater numbers of GT and RS pumped out. Finance rates are now higher, the economy is certainly not 'happier' and it is now getting very tricky to insure £100k plus cars for track. The market is being squeezed on several fronts.
It's not just the GT4 RS. There's a few 991.2 GT3 RS that have stuck for a good while. Those more gifted with the Autotrader stats will no doubt know this.
ChrisW. said:
donutskidmark said:
fridaypassion said:
The 718 GT4 semi skimmed its such a good road car do you really need a 4RS? Most people probably don't. I think thats why a lot of the 4RS cars are hanging about.
I’ve had two GT4’s in the past and now have a GT4RS- there is absolutely no similarity in performance- the standard GT4 feels 100% lame in comparison……. As a road car I would query the opportunities to use the extra performance and I would question the number of times when the extra stiffness and noise might compromise the usage opportunities ??
As a piece of theatre it is wonderful, but so is a humble 981GT4 which in the day was voted number 1 by EVO in competition with the 991.1 GT3RS ... as a road car !
The 718 GT4 on the road was just like a series production car…Impressive, clinical, refined… but not necessarily memorable for a Porsche GT car. The 981 was more exciting on the road IMO.
In the 4RS you always know you are in something spicy.
The additional performance (engine + gearbox) is much more easily accessible that in a GT4 - because the response is so instant - you demand - it delivers - you complete the manoeuvre and the back down to normal speeds as quickly as you can think. In the GT4 you have to preplan and then wind up. This makes things riskier and you need more room/distance to operate.
The spring/damper issue is quite overblown and it isn’t about stiffness per se - it’s down to the rebound calibration.
The 4RS is a track biased car… designed to be able to run Cup2 R tyres from the factory. What do people expect?!
TDT said:
718RS are New ‘old’ cars … last of the way things used to be.
This is a very good way of explaining it, if you're used to a 'modern' Porsche, eg not GT, then the GT will be a shock as its not dialed down, its raw and doesn't give a hoots about anything but being ready deliver without compromise. Every drive is a thrill in comparison. So if that's your thing, I think the 4RS is truly up there with the best.guyvert1 said:
TDT said:
718RS are New ‘old’ cars … last of the way things used to be.
This is a very good way of explaining it, if you're used to a 'modern' Porsche, eg not GT, then the GT will be a shock as its not dialed down, its raw and doesn't give a hoots about anything but being ready deliver without compromise. Every drive is a thrill in comparison. So if that's your thing, I think the 4RS is truly up there with the best.Digga said:
A great shame. More a reflection of the times than the cars.
991.1 and .2 saw greater numbers of GT and RS pumped out. Finance rates are now higher, the economy is certainly not 'happier' and it is now getting very tricky to insure £100k plus cars for track. The market is being squeezed on several fronts.
It's not just the GT4 RS. There's a few 991.2 GT3 RS that have stuck for a good while. Those more gifted with the Autotrader stats will no doubt know this.
I think that history and price are critical to a swift sale ... and even so you have to find the right person. But trying to catch a falling price is a gamble ... what irritates me is when the first question on an RS is whether or not it has been tracked when often with so many owners it's impossible to know for sure ... and they were built for the track !991.1 and .2 saw greater numbers of GT and RS pumped out. Finance rates are now higher, the economy is certainly not 'happier' and it is now getting very tricky to insure £100k plus cars for track. The market is being squeezed on several fronts.
It's not just the GT4 RS. There's a few 991.2 GT3 RS that have stuck for a good while. Those more gifted with the Autotrader stats will no doubt know this.
fridaypassion said:
The last petrol 911 GT cars will be very very expensive.
Not so sure, since the 997 Gt products have been pumped out and are not exactly rare. Also it appears the younger generation of adults like EVs and auto boxes, most owners of Gt products I have come across are the older generation so who will be the buying demographic?guyvert1 said:
TDT said:
718RS are New ‘old’ cars … last of the way things used to be.
This is a very good way of explaining it, if you're used to a 'modern' Porsche, eg not GT, then the GT will be a shock as its not dialed down, its raw and doesn't give a hoots about anything but being ready deliver without compromise. Every drive is a thrill in comparison. So if that's your thing, I think the 4RS is truly up there with the best.As for immediacy and to be a little controversial, how much of the added immediacy is the PDK system ?
GT4P said:
Not so sure, since the 997 Gt products have been pumped out and are not exactly rare. Also it appears the younger generation of adults like EVs and auto boxes, most owners of Gt products I have come across are the older generation so who will be the buying demographic?
If/when cars get to the right price point, the demographic may alter.At the last 'Ring track day I did, there were plenty of cars, mostly BMW M somethings, owned by younger drivers, all happily hammering around the circuit.
Slightly anecdotal, but we took on tow new staff members in the office, both in the mid 20's. The lad has a 'fun car', a nice VW Golf GTI and the lass has a slammed Abarth 500 and goes to car meets. So the love for petrol-power is still strong IMHO. Just has to be affordable.
Agreed ... particularly when they are spending so much on insurance ...
I often spend a weekend morning at The Motorist in Sherburn and the range of "special" cars and those that have been made special is very impressive ... it brings all age groups together with a common passion ... wonderful to be part of.
I often spend a weekend morning at The Motorist in Sherburn and the range of "special" cars and those that have been made special is very impressive ... it brings all age groups together with a common passion ... wonderful to be part of.
ChrisW. said:
Agreed ... particularly when they are spending so much on insurance ...
I often spend a weekend morning at The Motorist in Sherburn and the range of "special" cars and those that have been made special is very impressive ... it brings all age groups together with a common passion ... wonderful to be part of.
One of my favourite bits of DN track day was being overtaken by a Mazda MX5/Miata, with a massive rear wing and who knows what under the bonnet, that was 'towing' a 992 GT3 RS in its wake. Fun, capable cars don't need to cost £50k +plus, let alone £100k plus.I often spend a weekend morning at The Motorist in Sherburn and the range of "special" cars and those that have been made special is very impressive ... it brings all age groups together with a common passion ... wonderful to be part of.
Track insurance for £100k plus is getting almost impossible anyway.
GT4P said:
Also it appears the younger generation of adults like EVs and auto boxes, most owners of Gt products I have come across are the older generation so who will be the buying demographic?
I was at a local car meet at the weekend, coffee, cars at a scenic location and everything from really old classics right up to the latest and greatest. There were quite a few "kids" there vlogging the whole thing and I stumbled across one of the YT channels the other night, this lad rode there on a pushbike, so probably doesn't drive yet but he knew so much about the cars arriving and leaving.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpkr1FU0peg&t=...
Digga said:
If/when cars get to the right price point, the demographic may alter.
At the last 'Ring track day I did, there were plenty of cars, mostly BMW M somethings, owned by younger drivers, all happily hammering around the circuit.
Slightly anecdotal, but we took on tow new staff members in the office, both in the mid 20's. The lad has a 'fun car', a nice VW Golf GTI and the lass has a slammed Abarth 500 and goes to car meets. So the love for petrol-power is still strong IMHO. Just has to be affordable.
My son drives an old VW Polo a manual no less; he seems to really enjoy driving it. He's not such a fan of EV for some reason At the last 'Ring track day I did, there were plenty of cars, mostly BMW M somethings, owned by younger drivers, all happily hammering around the circuit.
Slightly anecdotal, but we took on tow new staff members in the office, both in the mid 20's. The lad has a 'fun car', a nice VW Golf GTI and the lass has a slammed Abarth 500 and goes to car meets. So the love for petrol-power is still strong IMHO. Just has to be affordable.
TX.
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