997.2 GTS v 997.2 C2S

997.2 GTS v 997.2 C2S

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g7jhp

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6,800 posts

215 months

Thursday 5th May
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Is a manual 997 GTS really £25-30k better than a manual 997.2 C2S?

So you get:
- X51 Powerkit
- Alcantara Interior
- Centre lock wheels
- Last of 997 line
- GTS badge



mike150

480 posts

177 months

Thursday 5th May
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I was wondering exactly that myself just last week when I saw a really nice GTS that looked an awful lot like my C2S. They also add small side skirts and a slightly different front bumper with a little lip at the bottom, tiny differences. The main difference is the power kit but that was an option on the S anyway.

Mine........

GTS.........

CantDecide

146 posts

179 months

Friday 6th May
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The GTS also has the wide body of the C4S and turbo.

c4sman

716 posts

131 months

Friday 6th May
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I don’t think the specific components of a GTS justify that price gaps, but like a lot of cars it’s more than the sum of its part and it’s rarity seem to have made certain models of GTS almost depreciation proof since new, especially manual coupes. Horses for courses, if you really want one you’ll pay, but a C2S won’t leave you feeling short changed in any way.

c4sman

716 posts

131 months

Friday 6th May
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Should also declare my bias, I bought a 2.5 year old GTS when they were 2-3 k more than a C2S and still have it and love it 8 years later

MC99

384 posts

163 months

Friday 6th May
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agree, without driving back to back it's very hard to imagine you'll see a GTS on the road and really feel you're missing out (much the same as a 991 or Boxster S v their GTS brethren) but it is the 'sum of the parts' thing, and limited numbers, certainly manual coupes as said. same as above I have manual coupe GTS so I'm biased

Zarco

15,075 posts

186 months

Friday 6th May
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mike150 said:
I was wondering exactly that myself just last week when I saw a really nice GTS that looked an awful lot like my C2S. They also add small side skirts and a slightly different front bumper with a little lip at the bottom, tiny differences. The main difference is the power kit but that was an option on the S anyway.

Mine........

GTS.........
Personally I think they look quite different to each other. Whether the cost difference is justified is another question of course!



RiccardoG

1,395 posts

249 months

Friday 6th May
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g7jhp said:
Is a manual 997 GTS really £25-30k better than a manual 997.2 C2S?
So you get:
- X51 Powerkit
- Alcantara Interior
- Centre lock wheels
- Last of 997 line
- GTS badge
Of those options, you could argue that some actually make the GTS a bit "worse". Alcantara interior usually comes with the plastic dash and door tops, as opposed to the leather versions usually seen on C2S. The center locks look great, but are overkill and a massive pain for wheel changes in the real world.

However, I do think that a low miles GTS will become more valuable in time because of its "last of line, best of the 997 Carreras" position. Its a bit like the C4S & C2S 993s, the 964 Jubilee, the G series CS - they're all last of line special editions which command a premium over the vanilla models.

But if you're buying to drive it rather than to "invest", by all means a C2S is 95% of the car and I'd therefore argue a GTS is not worth the premium these days.

rosino

1,324 posts

149 months

Friday 6th May
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RiccardoG said:
Of those options, you could argue that some actually make the GTS a bit "worse". Alcantara interior usually comes with the plastic dash and door tops, as opposed to the leather versions usually seen on C2S. The center locks look great, but are overkill and a massive pain for wheel changes in the real world.

However, I do think that a low miles GTS will become more valuable in time because of its "last of line, best of the 997 Carreras" position. Its a bit like the C4S & C2S 993s, the 964 Jubilee, the G series CS - they're all last of line special editions which command a premium over the vanilla models.

But if you're buying to drive it rather than to "invest", by all means a C2S is 95% of the car and I'd therefore argue a GTS is not worth the premium these days.
Fully agree

c4sman

716 posts

131 months

Friday 6th May
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MC99 said:
agree, without driving back to back it's very hard to imagine you'll see a GTS on the road and really feel you're missing out (much the same as a 991 or Boxster S v their GTS brethren) but it is the 'sum of the parts' thing, and limited numbers, certainly manual coupes as said. same as above I have manual coupe GTS so I'm biased
Manual coupe GTS here too. There’s two of the 100 right there!

Cheib

21,299 posts

152 months

Friday 6th May
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IIRC the front suspension has a slightly different set up (stiffer anti roll bar maybe) and obviously with the wider rear track it will drive differently.

The real magic of the GTS is the marriage of the Powerkit engine with the manual gearbox. The engine loves revs and rewards you for taking it to the redline in a way that the standard engine doesn't.

Other claims to fame is that It's the only wide body RWD 997 apart from the GT3 RS.

It's also I suppose the best version of the last Carrera Porsche made with hydraulic steering.

Awesome road cars though I just sold mine after six very happy years...lucky enough to have other flavours of 911 available now and wasn't driving it as much as I should mostly because of lack of garage space at home.

g7jhp

Original Poster:

6,800 posts

215 months

Friday 6th May
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rosino said:
The 1 Dec 2010 EVO review on the 997 GTS| was more positive tha the Powerkit review on 22 July 2010, so seems like they liked the sun of the parts.

Dc5991

25 posts

204 months

Friday 6th May
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Manual coupe GTS here too. There’s three of the 100 right here

Brighton Speed

198 posts

171 months

Saturday 7th May
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Dc5991 said:
Manual coupe GTS here too. There’s three of the 100 right here
Same here - that'll be four

Cheib

21,299 posts

152 months

Saturday 7th May
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g7jhp said:
rosino said:
The 1 Dec 2010 EVO review on the 997 GTS| was more positive tha the Powerkit review on 22 July 2010, so seems like they liked the sun of the parts.
Often the way with 911’s…991.2 Carrera T being a car that springs to mind.

All about the manual box and the power kit engine, the gearing in the manual is just right for British country roads. These are increasingly weekend cars and for me that means the PDK is a lot less appealing. The two things that age a car most are an automated gearbox of some kind as that tech has advanced rapidly and the PCM. One of those can be updated cheaply, the other can’t.

shantybeater

1,103 posts

146 months

Saturday 7th May
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Both good places to put your money for different reasons. Personally I’d rather a tidy manual C2S and make some choice mods. It’s a more sensible price bracket. The GTS is too close to a GT3 to make it worthwhile imo

c4sman

716 posts

131 months

Saturday 7th May
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shantybeater said:
Both good places to put your money for different reasons. Personally I’d rather a tidy manual C2S and make some choice mods. It’s a more sensible price bracket. The GTS is too close to a GT3 to make it worthwhile imo
I think every thread on a GTS becomes a why not get a GT3 for the same money thread. It’s invalid in my view for the following reasons. No.1 rear seats (that are fully legal/insurance friendly).

No2 is like for like cost. I don’t think comparing 2007 GT3 with 50k miles at 80-90k with a 2011 GTS manual coupe with 30k miles at £70k-80k is like for like as the GTS is materially newer and lower mileage and circa £10k cheaper. Compare them like for like and the gap is more like £40-60k for a 2011 car with similar mileage. They do not therefore compete in my mind particularly if you never plan to put either one on track.

DjSki

1,277 posts

172 months

Saturday 7th May
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shantybeater said:
Both good places to put your money for different reasons. Personally I’d rather a tidy manual C2S and make some choice mods. It’s a more sensible price bracket. The GTS is too close to a GT3 to make it worthwhile imo
This, £10k more and you are into a GT3. No value in a GTS at todays prices (for manuals).

Brighton Speed

198 posts

171 months

Saturday 7th May
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DjSki said:
This, £10k more and you are into a GT3. No value in a GTS at todays prices (for manuals).
Bought mine, with Aerokit, for £65k mid 2020. Put 5k miles on it since (now done 20k) and it's worth around £75k. At this rate it'll be worth the same as a .1 GT3 soon, but would I have achieved the same (theoretically) with a 2S?