Is the 987 Spyder worth the money…

[Slippydiff]

harryblue said:

This thread has got me looking at them and I'd love one in the right spec, carbon seats, manual, apple play, decent exhaust, some mild tuning and proper suspension.

But they're still too expensive, what about the next generation ones? They're supposed to be the real sweet spot, but finding a manual is hard I think?
I've never really paid much attention but a 981 Spyder manual with a good spec is like rocking hose poo.

You don't need "proper" suspension on a Spyder, the standard dampers and springs are almost perfectly judged.

More power ? I found my Cayman R (same engne spec give or take) but more importantly, it allied to the superb chassis, more than adequate to keep up with a 430 Scuderia, a 991.1 GTS, a 9971. GT3 and a 996.1 GT3 Clubsport with 3.9/430hp upgrade, all of which were being driven by like-minded nutters ...

Doing anything other to a Spyder than addressing the shortcomings of the stock brakes, is an exercise in futility/law of diminishing returns/gilding the lily.

Edit to add, the folding carbon buckets look stunning, but as others have said, they're not light, they're not overly supportive, and for me, they weren't comfortable either.

A pair of Pole Position FIA's or Cobra Nogaros would be lighter, cheaper, more comfortable and more supportive.

Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 16th July 16:41

[Porsche-worm]

nicklambo said:

I think we will be looking back at these and the R in a few years time and wondering why we didn t pick one up at the time, hydraulic steering, N/A with no particulate filters etc to spoil the sound and a sublime chassis and also super limited numbers. Those with manual cars with carbon buckets are likely to be holding on to theirs and even nicer with Chrono and PSE. I think the DasCayman YouTube guy is certainly having fun in his!

He was until his mate crashed it.

[harryblue]

elisered said:

All 981 Spyders/GT4 are manual - PDK only available again in 718 versions.

Are they? I could have sworn I'd seen PDK 981 Spyders, I must be mistaken then.

[james28]

johnfm said:

Have you driven a 997 back to back wiht a Spyder?

Wife has a 991 S. Lovely car. Sounds great. PDK in sport mode is fantastic.

But it is not in the same bracket for handling as the Spyder. Not close.

But I agree that £60k is getting a bit punchy.

I might need to re-price mine upwards a bit if these two at Ashgoods sell!

Think you might need to re evaluate as the second 987 has sold in less than a week at ashgoods now too.

[Slippydiff]

james28 said:

Think you might need to re evaluate as the second 987 has sold in less than a week at ashgoods now too.

Perfect Spyder weather. Try asking the same in January next year ...

[james28]

Slippydiff said:

Perfect Spyder weather. Try asking the same in January next year ...

Why would anyone sell a spyder in January
When they can maximise the return in June July snd August ???

[Slippydiff]

james28 said:

Why would anyone sell a spyder in January
When they can maximise the return in June July snd August ???

You've never seen a 996,996,991,992 GT3/RS/GT2 for sale over the Winter.
Things/life change, and toys sit unused, then get put on the market.

[james28]

I get that but the logic behind selling at the worst time makes no sense.
If you have a 40k plus car I'm sure most have a second car as well as the daily why not wait until the warmer weather.
Your right though maybe the prices will dip off in January but only a desperate seller would sell then.

[harryblue]

I think cars are like the stock market, it's an emotional thing, I've seen a lot of talk about Spyders recently and I think they're flavour of the month and obviously popular, so people are scooping them up. Similarly, over the last few months there has also been quite a lot of chatter about 997.1 GT3RS's as well and as if by magic three orange ones are now on the market, when previously there haven't been any for a few months.

This is why I talk a lot about cars and prices, I was moaned at on another forum for doing so, but it fascinates me how forum and magazine chatter can get cars out on the market and prices can ebb and flow with the trends.

I'm happy for the sellers, as an owner anything that pushes prices up is a good thing, and if the buyer feels like he's bought a valuable asset then everyone's a winner.

I'd love a 987 Spyder, but I don't know if I go to £60k when an RS60 is half, or a Cayman R is available, I might, but I'm not sure I want one that bad right now. I'd probably put a bit more to it and get a 981.
It's like would I buy an ST at £400k when I can get a Touring for less than half, the ST is a hell of a car but the money is a part of it for me, I need to feel like I've done ok when I buy something.

[cayster]

harryblue said:

I'm happy for the sellers, as an owner anything that pushes prices up is a good thing, and if the buyer feels like he's bought a valuable asset then everyone's a winner.

Not sure that is necessarily true, depending on what you want out of a car. As a for instance, the price of specialist work on air cooled 911s has shot up in sympathy with the market. If you're not planning on selling, the huge uptick in air cooled values has really only been a bad thing.

If you actually want to drive and use a car, values going up massively tends to make that a lot more expensive. Long time owners can actually find themselves priced out of a car they already own, so to speak. They suddenly find themselves with a car that's turned into an asset and the cost of looking after it properly has escaled well beyond any previously reasonable expectation.

If you have cars as things to collect and turn over, hoping to make money, it will obviously be great. Less so if you're mainly into using and driving the thing.

[johnfm]

Slippydiff said:

You don't need "proper" suspension on a Spyder, the standard dampers and springs are almost perfectly judged.

More power ? I found my Cayman R (same engne spec give or take) but more importantly, it allied to the superb chassis, more than adequate to keep up with a 430 Scuderia, a 991.1 GTS, a 9971. GT3 and a 996.1 GT3 Clubsport with 3.9/430hp upgrade, all of which were being driven by like-minded nutters ...

Doing anything other to a Spyder than addressing the shortcomings of the stock brakes, is an exercise in futility/law of diminishing returns/gilding the lily.

Edit to add, the folding carbon buckets look stunning, but as others have said, they're not light, they're not overly supportive, and for me, they weren't comfortable either.

A pair of Pole Position FIA's or Cobra Nogaros would be lighter, cheaper, more comfortable and more supportive.

Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 16th July 16:41

What seats are these?

Look like Nogaro.

Edited by johnfm on Thursday 17th July 13:01

[johnfm]

james28 said:

Slippydiff said:

Perfect Spyder weather. Try asking the same in January next year ...

Why would anyone sell a spyder in January
When they can maximise the return in June July snd August ???

Exactly...th

That is why I am thinknig of selling now in summer and I will buy the next thing in January!

Amazing that the two Ashgood cars have already sold.

[LemonTart]

Hi John

Where is your Spyder advertised please?

Thanks
Ed

[Nurburgsingh]

I need to make an actual conscious effort to sell my Spyder... but driving it makes me smile...

The struggle is real.

[james28]

LemonTart said:

Hi John

Where is your Spyder advertised please?

Thanks
Ed

Stunning car and would buy this I am moment if I didn't already own 1.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16gtwDJzrU/

[harryblue]

cayster said:

Not sure that is necessarily true, depending on what you want out of a car. As a for instance, the price of specialist work on air cooled 911s has shot up in sympathy with the market. If you're not planning on selling, the huge uptick in air cooled values has really only been a bad thing.

If you actually want to drive and use a car, values going up massively tends to make that a lot more expensive. Long time owners can actually find themselves priced out of a car they already own, so to speak. They suddenly find themselves with a car that's turned into an asset and the cost of looking after it properly has escaled well beyond any previously reasonable expectation.

If you have cars as things to collect and turn over, hoping to make money, it will obviously be great. Less so if you're mainly into using and driving the thing.

I see what you mean, I could literally buy a decent house with what I've put into my 930 and if I drove around with that in my mind I'd be scared to death, so I've just written the money off and I don't think about it, it's the only way I can cope otherwise I'd wrap it in cotton wool in the garage.
And your right, the price of parts and labour tends to follow.

So I suppose you also have a point about these Spyders, they've always been a relatively reasonably priced, but if they start to really climb in price to these silly classic prices then it gets to the point that people will sell them because it's too much money to have sitting in a car.

[johnfm]

LemonTart said:

Hi John

Where is your Spyder advertised please?

Thanks
Ed

I just popped it on here in the Pistonheads classifieds.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/18843510

[MDL111]

harryblue said:

I think cars are like the stock market, it's an emotional thing, I've seen a lot of talk about Spyders recently and I think they're flavour of the month and obviously popular, so people are scooping them up. Similarly, over the last few months there has also been quite a lot of chatter about 997.1 GT3RS's as well and as if by magic three orange ones are now on the market, when previously there haven't been any for a few months.

This is why I talk a lot about cars and prices, I was moaned at on another forum for doing so, but it fascinates me how forum and magazine chatter can get cars out on the market and prices can ebb and flow with the trends.

I'm happy for the sellers, as an owner anything that pushes prices up is a good thing, and if the buyer feels like he's bought a valuable asset then everyone's a winner.

I'd love a 987 Spyder, but I don't know if I go to £60k when an RS60 is half, or a Cayman R is available, I might, but I'm not sure I want one that bad right now. I'd probably put a bit more to it and get a 981.
It's like would I buy an ST at £400k when I can get a Touring for less than half, the ST is a hell of a car but the money is a part of it for me, I need to feel like I've done ok when I buy something.

my personal view is the 987 Spyder is still undervalued.
UK prices are below Continental European prices and over time those converge (see E46 M3 CSL as an example, which is held back a little by the very large RHD allocation).
The 987 was the first one
They built less than 2,000 units of them (as reference a 991 Speedster was a numbers limited car with plus/minus the same production number)

So in summary, I think a low(ish) mileage, launch spec car will be a 6-digit car within the next 5-10 years.
I would not be surprised if it is rarer than the RS Spyder once production of those finishes (no clue how many there are so far).

[ATM]

james28 said:

Why would anyone sell a spyder in January
When they can maximise the return in June July snd August ???

Because you've seen something else for sale you want or already pulled the trigger.

[harryblue]

MDL111 said:

So in summary, I think a low(ish) mileage, launch spec car will be a 6-digit car within the next 5-10 years.
I would not be surprised if it is rarer than the RS Spyder once production of those finishes (no clue how many there are so far).

You might be right, personally I don't think so, it's a great car but it's never going to be in the hall of fame category.
Inflation will play a part but they'll hit a wall when they become too expensive for your average working man to afford, they're not like the high end 911s where rich people buy them as collectables. I've seen this with other stuff, eventually they just stop going up when normal people can't afford them and the rich people don't think they're special enough to throw six figures at them.

It will be interesting to see who's right in ten years though.