Is the 987 Spyder worth the money…
Discussion
Nurburgsingh said:
I need to make an actual conscious effort to sell my Spyder... but driving it makes me smile...
The struggle is real.
Did you used to own this?The struggle is real.
https://ebay.co.uk/itm/167623760669
52 grand
Starting to make the 987 spyder look expensive even though the red interior trim pieces look a bit chintsy
MDL111 said:
So in summary, I think a low(ish) mileage, launch spec car will be a 6-digit car within the next 5-10 years.
I think the 987 Spyder is an absolutely fantastic car, but the idea they're going to be £100k plus in five years I don't buy. Well, unless inflation really kicks off and everything that's £50k today is £100k plus.In real terms accounting for inflation, they actually down. They've been the same numerical figure for about a decade, perhaps with a bit of an uptick this summer. We've had quite a bit of inflation in the meantime, so real-terms values are down a fair bit on 10 years ago - £50k today is equivalent to £35k-ish 10 years ago.
Primarily, I think there's image / icon / brand snobbery that holds any Boxster or Cayman back versus the 911. The 987 Spyder is a special car. But the reasons why its values have yet to take off aren't going anywhere. And while it's fairly low volume, it's not uber low volume.
If you take something like a 924 CGT as an older example of a special model based on a superficially low-prestige Porsche model that's not a 911, well, they made about 400 of those, of which how many are left? Probably getting on for an order of magnitude fewer of those versus 987 Spyder and they're not true five-figure cars, I don't think anyway?
The 924 Carrera GTS I think is a true six-figure car, but then they made about 60 of those, I think, versus 2,000 Spyders?
harryblue said:
MDL111 said:
So in summary, I think a low(ish) mileage, launch spec car will be a 6-digit car within the next 5-10 years.
I would not be surprised if it is rarer than the RS Spyder once production of those finishes (no clue how many there are so far).
You might be right, personally I don't think so, it's a great car but it's never going to be in the hall of fame category.I would not be surprised if it is rarer than the RS Spyder once production of those finishes (no clue how many there are so far).
Inflation will play a part but they'll hit a wall when they become too expensive for your average working man to afford, they're not like the high end 911s where rich people buy them as collectables. I've seen this with other stuff, eventually they just stop going up when normal people can't afford them and the rich people don't think they're special enough to throw six figures at them.
It will be interesting to see who's right in ten years though.
Of course that would also mean to driving the cars (which I refuse to do), so I am just hopeful that they will increase on average and thereby cushion the blow for me. Maybe I get lucky, but if I don't then at least I had fun.
MDL111 said:
I tend to agree with you, the most upside is in collector cars. I am generally bearish on everything else. As I can't afford anymore to completely disregard future values, I think rare(ish) cars from the 2000-2010 (give or take a few years) time period are the ones that are the safest place for your money with some upside left. If a car is much older (and not a blue chip car), then your buyers are slowly dying and if it is younger, then it is probably not rare enough thanks to 0% rates at the time it was new.
Of course that would also mean to driving the cars (which I refuse to do), so I am just hopeful that they will increase on average and thereby cushion the blow for me. Maybe I get lucky, but if I don't then at least I had fun.
Yeah I've seen this play out in the classic car/bike scene.Of course that would also mean to driving the cars (which I refuse to do), so I am just hopeful that they will increase on average and thereby cushion the blow for me. Maybe I get lucky, but if I don't then at least I had fun.
I think some cars like the 2.7RS, the 930, RSR, etc, will probably always get good money because they're iconic, they aren't age specific, but the likes of the 996/996 GT3 RS will eventually drop off, they're gorgeous but I don't think they reached that iconic level where they transcend generations.
To get somewhere back on track, I don't see people lusting after a 987 Spyder in thirty years, when 930's and 2.7RS's are still fetching big money.
cayster said:
I think the 987 Spyder is an absolutely fantastic car, but the idea they're going to be £100k plus in five years I don't buy. Well, unless inflation really kicks off and everything that's £50k today is £100k plus.
In real terms accounting for inflation, they actually down. They've been the same numerical figure for about a decade, perhaps with a bit of an uptick this summer. We've had quite a bit of inflation in the meantime, so real-terms values are down a fair bit on 10 years ago - £50k today is equivalent to £35k-ish 10 years ago.
Primarily, I think there's image / icon / brand snobbery that holds any Boxster or Cayman back versus the 911. The 987 Spyder is a special car. But the reasons why its values have yet to take off aren't going anywhere. And while it's fairly low volume, it's not uber low volume.
If you take something like a 924 CGT as an older example of a special model based on a superficially low-prestige Porsche model that's not a 911, well, they made about 400 of those, of which how many are left? Probably getting on for an order of magnitude fewer of those versus 987 Spyder and they're not true five-figure cars, I don't think anyway?
The 924 Carrera GTS I think is a true six-figure car, but then they made about 60 of those, I think, versus 2,000 Spyders?
Be interested to see what this achieves then ina real time auction.In real terms accounting for inflation, they actually down. They've been the same numerical figure for about a decade, perhaps with a bit of an uptick this summer. We've had quite a bit of inflation in the meantime, so real-terms values are down a fair bit on 10 years ago - £50k today is equivalent to £35k-ish 10 years ago.
Primarily, I think there's image / icon / brand snobbery that holds any Boxster or Cayman back versus the 911. The 987 Spyder is a special car. But the reasons why its values have yet to take off aren't going anywhere. And while it's fairly low volume, it's not uber low volume.
If you take something like a 924 CGT as an older example of a special model based on a superficially low-prestige Porsche model that's not a 911, well, they made about 400 of those, of which how many are left? Probably getting on for an order of magnitude fewer of those versus 987 Spyder and they're not true five-figure cars, I don't think anyway?
The 924 Carrera GTS I think is a true six-figure car, but then they made about 60 of those, I think, versus 2,000 Spyders?
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1981-porsche-9...
Anyone on here advertised a car on PH lately??
I’ve had 5 enquiries in the first hour….but two of them have suggested I get a report from elitecarfax…posting a link etc.
Smells, walks and quacks like a scam - getting sellers to pay £20 or whatever for a car check report.
Was very weird from two separate people.
I’ve had 5 enquiries in the first hour….but two of them have suggested I get a report from elitecarfax…posting a link etc.
Smells, walks and quacks like a scam - getting sellers to pay £20 or whatever for a car check report.
Was very weird from two separate people.
james28 said:
Be interested to see what this achieves then ina real time auction.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1981-porsche-9...
£50k overhaul and you've got damaged piping on the seats!https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1981-porsche-9...
Being a bit facetious, but christ £50k doesn't buy you much from the likes of Tuthill, these days, does it!
johnfm said:
Anyone on here advertised a car on PH lately??
I ve had 5 enquiries in the first hour .but two of them have suggested I get a report from elitecarfax posting a link etc.
Smells, walks and quacks like a scam - getting sellers to pay £20 or whatever for a car check report.
Was very weird from two separate people.
total scam, I'm getting flooded with them, so is a mate who also has a car for sale on PHI ve had 5 enquiries in the first hour .but two of them have suggested I get a report from elitecarfax posting a link etc.
Smells, walks and quacks like a scam - getting sellers to pay £20 or whatever for a car check report.
Was very weird from two separate people.
johnfm said:
Anyone on here advertised a car on PH lately??
I ve had 5 enquiries in the first hour .but two of them have suggested I get a report from elitecarfax posting a link etc.
Smells, walks and quacks like a scam - getting sellers to pay £20 or whatever for a car check report.
Was very weird from two separate people.
Same, it’s a scam, Pistonheads should have sent you an email about what to look out for, this is the number one, it’s set up to steal your credit card details not the cost of a bogus report.I ve had 5 enquiries in the first hour .but two of them have suggested I get a report from elitecarfax posting a link etc.
Smells, walks and quacks like a scam - getting sellers to pay £20 or whatever for a car check report.
Was very weird from two separate people.
in Germany we are not miles away from 6 digits. If this was less than half the mileage and had PCCBs I think they would ask 100k for it. If somebody is willing to pay that is obviously an entirely different question.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...
james28 said:
Wow 83k euro's with 60000 kilometres on it
No wonder the prices here are going upwards ?
yeah it is a shame Brexit happened as that complicates it for me to buy UK cars when I think they are undervalued vs LHD. I am happy to drive RHD if it costs me less, but nowadays it means registering the car in the UK and if I then want to have it in Germany, there is a host of issues (insurance, car needs to go back regularly, probably tax avoidance etc).No wonder the prices here are going upwards ?
It also means bringing my RHD care back to the UK if I ever have to sell it will trigger all those annoying import duties and taxes. But there is little point in selling a RHD car in Germany (unless it is sth that only exists in RHD)
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