GT4 RS/ Spyder RS Experiences, Driving and Technical

[PRO5T]

TDT said:

The specification includes everything you need, and nothing you don’t...
Race-tex sunvisors, Illuminated door sills

In all seriousness, I think yours is the best looking one I've seen yet, silver wheels are making a come back and the fully painted bonnet of the none-WP gives the car a much cleaner visual appearance.

Look forward to seeing it out on track in the future

[ChrisW.]

Paul_N said:

lotusgeek said:

Great shout on this new topic. I bought a new, manual, GT4 last year and am thinking about moving to an RS but it's a lot of money and so I'm keen to hear people's impressions and experiences.

If anyone's come from a manual 718 GT4 I'd be intrigued to hear how you've found the move to the PDK box. Any regrets?

Cheers

Come from a manual 718 GT4 to GT4RS only covered 380 miles so far, bought car then went on holiday for 3 weeks, so run in process may have to wait until after winter, depending on weather etc.

As for going from manual to PDK, we hired a 4RS for 2 days in Germany & Austria back in June, covered 400 miles, personally much prefer the PDK over manual in our GT4, think it suits the car better & makes for faster progress, but that’s just our opinion. Have to say first time we drove GT4 after hire car I knew its days were numbered.

Different to most on here, won’t be going on track, car will be for Euro trips, certainly no expert driver & probably wouldn’t be a car most 60 year old couples would use for this purpose but we both love it.

Edited by Paul_N on Sunday 6th October 23:36

The Caterham next door says it all

The GT4RS for road use seems to be a real piece of theatre .... I may do fewer track days now in my car but this is the sense that I have with my "equivalent". I still want a fun and regularly useable car that can ...

[jackwood]

fridaypassion said:

TDT said:

Yep, either Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or Dunlop Sport Maxx 2.

Most seem to be coming with Dunlops at the moment. I have them on mine… will run them until there are done.. will be good to have a baseline, as I’ve decided to relearn everything from scratch again.

I think the Dunlops are much better than the Cup 2 overall

Having had both, back to back, on the same car, I’d have to disagree. Living in the north west, we are probably a bit colder and wetter than most places.

I found the Dunlops operating window much smaller than the Cup2’s. The drop off below 12C was alarming in the wet. By comparisons the Cup2’s limit is approx 5-6C lower. And even then, the Dunlop was still worse, particularly under braking, than the Cups.

However, on a warm dry day, the Dunlops are electric. Turn in and outright grip being the high points.

For clarity this is on a 718 GT4 PDK PCCB car.

[Mutton]

For those looking to heavily track their cars, I assume some upgraded rear toe links are necessary to get the extra camber whilst keeping the correct toe settings? Would the Manthey GT4 kit https://jzmporsche.com/parts/manthey-718-gt4-suspe... work on the RS rather than having to go the full fat Manthey kit?

Also, anyone considering a DSC controller for the PASM? Seems like there is some positive feedback from the US on the RS having this fitted in allowing the suspension to work more optimally on uneven surfaces whilst also allowing some extra tuning of the dampers to suit the user.

[TDT]

PRO5T said:

TDT said:

The specification includes everything you need, and nothing you don’t...
Race-tex sunvisors, Illuminated door sills

At least it cannot be called poverty spec! Lol.

PRO5T said:

In all seriousness, I think yours is the best looking one I've seen yet, silver wheels are making a come back and the fully painted bonnet of the none-WP gives the car a much cleaner visual appearance.

Look forward to seeing it out on track in the future

Thank you very much. I really love the combo. I’ve been trying to figure out why it resonates so deeply and I finally figured it out.

I have probably close to 100 pictures or shots of the 4RS over its development cycle, and all of these are black cars without too much addenda… and I just loved the ‘understated, q-car, skunkworks prototype, what is that - hard as nails’ look of them.

I think mine fits the mould well …

Edited by TDT on Monday 7th October 11:45

[av185]

LamedonM said:

I hope, I am not flouting the rule. Would appreciate comparison of the 4RS with GT3 991.1

Power and torque drop off approaching the red line is far more noticeable with the gen 1 GT3 v the RS.

[23wn_4f2]

Mutton said:

For those looking to heavily track their cars, I assume some upgraded rear toe links are necessary to get the extra camber whilst keeping the correct toe settings? Would the Manthey GT4 kit https://jzmporsche.com/parts/manthey-718-gt4-suspe... work on the RS rather than having to go the full fat Manthey kit?

I've been running shims and rear toe arms for just about a year and a half now (before the MR ones were available). Mine are from String Theory and afaik, they are the same for the GT4 and GT4RS. I'm pretty sure the MR ones are the same I'm pretty they have the same part numbers

[arun1uk]

I'm a new owner and have enjoyed the experience so far. The theatre during any drive is great and exactly what I was hoping for.
WP, painted bonnet stripe, Mags, FAL, racetex everywhere, Bose, PDLS.

My wife is comfortable in it (which is saying something!) and as long as I'm not pressing on, she hasn't complained about the noise much.

Loving the feedback through the steering wheel, the throttle response and damping particularly. I've found myself driving most in manual, PDK sport and PASM dampers. I have steel brakes, which are well modulated, but a little noisy at low speed. I've noticed a bit of bunny hopping on particularly bad surfaces when pressing on, so I'll get a proper suspension geo setup over the next few weeks.

I've got Android auto working, and the only bother is that the nav from Waze doesn't appear in the instrument cluster smart display. Bose is surprisingly good and rich in sound quality.

Getting in and out is an art and I'm concerned about damaging the seat bolster. Anyone got any tips?

[ChrisW.]

Mutton said:

For those looking to heavily track their cars, I assume some upgraded rear toe links are necessary to get the extra camber whilst keeping the correct toe settings? Would the Manthey GT4 kit https://jzmporsche.com/parts/manthey-718-gt4-suspe... work on the RS rather than having to go the full fat Manthey kit?

Also, anyone considering a DSC controller for the PASM? Seems like there is some positive feedback from the US on the RS having this fitted in allowing the suspension to work more optimally on uneven surfaces whilst also allowing some extra tuning of the dampers to suit the user.

I believe it's possible to get to around -2.5 degrees of camber without needing new rear toe links .... ?

[23wn_4f2]

ChrisW. said:

Mutton said:

For those looking to heavily track their cars, I assume some upgraded rear toe links are necessary to get the extra camber whilst keeping the correct toe settings? Would the Manthey GT4 kit https://jzmporsche.com/parts/manthey-718-gt4-suspe... work on the RS rather than having to go the full fat Manthey kit?

Also, anyone considering a DSC controller for the PASM? Seems like there is some positive feedback from the US on the RS having this fitted in allowing the suspension to work more optimally on uneven surfaces whilst also allowing some extra tuning of the dampers to suit the user.

I believe it's possible to get to around -2.5 degrees of camber without needing new rear toe links .... ?

Yep, that's about correct. I went -2.4 with stock parts initially and 'learnt the car' before going toe arms and -3.1. You can go almost -4 with the toe arms but will compromise road manners

[FredBasset]

arun1uk said:

I've got Android auto working, and the only bother is that the nav from Waze doesn't appear in the instrument cluster smart display. Bose is surprisingly good and rich in sound quality.

Getting in and out is an art and I'm concerned about damaging the seat bolster. Anyone got any tips?

I probably should have mentioned that when I responded to you before about the instrument cluster but it wasn't such a big deal to me.

Various sources of bolster protectors, ClassicFX here in the UK or Edguard over in the US. I went for the latter, Ed has a GT4RS and the covers arrived late last week. Colour match of leather and stitching is perfect.

[FredBasset]

av185 said:

LamedonM said:

I hope, I am not flouting the rule. Would appreciate comparison of the 4RS with GT3 991.1

Power and torque drop off approaching the red line is far more noticeable with the gen 1 GT3 v the RS.

I can't really provide much thats insightful, I did drive another forum members 4RS before I sold the GT3. I found the rear end of the 911 more tied down on a set of tight S bends I know well but overall liked the 4RS experience.

With my own, during the running in period, I now understand what I'd read about people moving to 991.2 GT3's from 991.1 versions. Its a bit more polished and refined, the drivetrain in particular. Too early to give much more insight.

[NDA]

Paul_N said:

Different to most on here, won’t be going on track, car will be for Euro trips, certainly no expert driver & probably wouldn’t be a car most 60 year old couples would use for this purpose but we both love it.

I'm in the same age group and recently bought a C4S for Euro-tripping - OK, not as exotic as an RS, but they're great cars for continental cruising.

[APOLO1]

Bit of a set up done, feels like it’s improved it in particular front end. This is such a fun car to drive, every trip is like a fair ground ride, the sounds, damping, steering feel, throttle response all just about perfect. The only thing I am not to keen on is forgot to spec white dials and should have gone guards red, aside to that it’s perfect. Whilst the ST agree with Top Gear is the best road driving 911 I have driven, this is very very close 2nd. Actually on a summer day with the roof down I think it might be the flip of a coin which is more fun.


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Edited by APOLO1 on Monday 7th October 13:29

[TDT]

APOLO1 said:

Bit of a set up done, feels like it’s improved it in particular front end. This is such a fun car to drive, every trip is like a fair ground ride, the sounds, damping, steering feel, throttle response all just about perfect. The only thing I am not to keen on is forgot to spec white dials and should have gone guards red, aside to that it’s perfect. Whilst the ST agree with Top Gear is the best road driving 911 I have driven, this is very very close 2nd. Actually on a summer day with the roof down I think it might be the flip of a coin which is more fun.

Excellent - high praise indeed.

Between 4RS, SRS and S/T - Porsche have really done something special wrt fun, feelings and vibes.

Where did you go for setup.. can you share any details? I guess this won't be much different than GT4 or Spyder as SRS is essentially the same Spring/Damper rates as those cars - with its road focus.

[APOLO1]

TDT said:

Excellent - high praise indeed.

Between 4RS, SRS and S/T - Porsche have really done something special wrt fun, feelings and vibes.

Where did you go for setup.. can you share any details? I guess this won't be much different than GT4 or Spyder as SRS is essentially the same Spring/Damper rates as those cars - with its road focus.

Its that connection between, steering feel, sounds, damping, gear shifts, and throttle response. Very few get it spot on Mac did with its 675LT, As you say Porsche have done it with the cars you mention. Local OPC, will find out what they did, but its not a full on track set up as this is road car for me.

Edited by APOLO1 on Monday 7th October 13:48

[av185]

APOLO1 said:

Bit of a set up done, feels like it’s improved it in particular front end. This is such a fun car to drive, every trip is like a fair ground ride, the sounds, damping, steering feel, throttle response all just about perfect. The only thing I am not to keen on is forgot to spec white dials and should have gone guards red, aside to that it’s perfect. Whilst the ST agree with Top Gear is the best road driving 911 I have driven, this is very very close 2nd. Actually on a summer day with the roof down I think it might be the flip of a coin which is more fun.


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Edited by APOLO1 on Monday 7th October 13:29

Glad you are enjoying the SRS, D..... Venadium looks the dogs b imo.

Has yours got steels or pccbs?

[APOLO1]

av185 said:

Glad you are enjoying the SRS, D..... Venadium looks the dogs b imo.

Has yours got steels or pccbs?

PCCBs, think with this much power its nice to have them......

[Redline88]

FredBasset said:

arun1uk said:

I've got Android auto working, and the only bother is that the nav from Waze doesn't appear in the instrument cluster smart display. Bose is surprisingly good and rich in sound quality.

Getting in and out is an art and I'm concerned about damaging the seat bolster. Anyone got any tips?

I probably should have mentioned that when I responded to you before about the instrument cluster but it wasn't such a big deal to me.

Various sources of bolster protectors, ClassicFX here in the UK or Edguard over in the US. I went for the latter, Ed has a GT4RS and the covers arrived late last week. Colour match of leather and stitching is perfect.

I went for the classic fx version and would certainly recommend them. One downside is when I took one off, the seam on the back had left an imprint in the leather however I’m sure if left off for a period and with a bit of heat it would have come out. That said, some pics of cars in showrooms appear to have creasing in the leather at minimal miles. The main thing is that they protect the leather and the stitching from getting damaged or worn over time and once fitted they look completely stock. Gary the owner was a pleasure to deal with and I would certainly use them again.

[Redline88]

TDT said:

PRO5T said:

TDT said:

The specification includes everything you need, and nothing you don’t...
Race-tex sunvisors, Illuminated door sills

At least it cannot be called poverty spec! Lol.

PRO5T said:

In all seriousness, I think yours is the best looking one I've seen yet, silver wheels are making a come back and the fully painted bonnet of the none-WP gives the car a much cleaner visual appearance.

Look forward to seeing it out on track in the future

Thank you very much. I really love the combo. I’ve been trying to figure out why it resonates so deeply and I finally figured it out.

I have probably close to 100 pictures or shots of the 4RS over its development cycle, and all of these are black cars without too much addenda… and I just loved the ‘understated, q-car, skunkworks prototype, what is that - hard as nails’ look of them.

I think mine fits the mould well …

Edited by TDT on Monday 7th October 11:45

That is stunning TDT - really liking the silver alloys and the non WP look