718 GT4 - new engine required, and a tale of calamity.
Discussion
bennno said:
To his point though, you are still circa £25k better off than if you'd sold or px'd the car.
I'm not though. I bought at 2021 list price (before all the multiple price rises at the end of 2021 and into 2022), and the current P/X prices for the GT4 have firmed and risen over the past 12 months, so it's not even close to £25k.kmpowell said:
bennno said:
To his point though, you are still circa £25k better off than if you'd sold or px'd the car.
I'm not though. I bought at 2021 list price (before all the multiple price rises at the end of 2021 and into 2022), and the current P/X prices for the GT4 have firmed and risen over the past 12 months, so it's not even close to £25k.bennno said:
Whats it worth if you put it in to WBAC?
WBAC isn't really a benchmark, it's just the rock-bottom price one could get for the car. I'be been offered much more in P/X in recent weeks.I'm not really wanting to get into specifics, please just trust me when I say that I do ok out of this, but it's nowhere near £25k.
bennno said:
Whats it worth if you put it in to WBAC?
I find motorway a better selling platform, i sold our JCW through them back in July, not far off what i could have achieved privately. WBAC was not far behind on initial valuation but never found out what i would have achieved if taken to their outlet.He might have got good offers as a trade on a new car as a px but i have found you always do better without a trade in. I have achieved 15/17% discount on cash purchases of new Porsches in the past and with this current economic climate and uncertainty wouldnt be suprised if double figure discounts are available especially more so as we approach end of year.
What he made on the deal will be lost on the purchase of £170k car anyway especially if using a Pcp again.
Still reckon if he loved the GT4 as much as he says i would have gone for the new engine and sweeteners
kmpowell said:
bennno said:
Whats it worth if you put it in to WBAC?
WBAC isn't really a benchmark, it's just the rock-bottom price one could get for the car. I'be been offered much more in P/X in recent weeks.I'm not really wanting to get into specifics, please just trust me when I say that I do ok out of this, but it's nowhere near £25k.
interstellar said:
I think it would put me off and even if the gt3 is a good offer maybe get it in writing that you might want it in a couple of years and go the Ferrari route this time. Dealing with a different product and different people might give you that buzz again. The gt3 offer is good but it would pain me a little bit due to the situation to go straight to another car from the same brand.
I'm pretty much swayed by the 'new GT3' idea, because as I found out a couple of weeks ago, Ferrari aren't much better in the honesty stakes.In short, a 488 being advertised by an official Ferrari dealership, with FFSH, but actually has a missing service, a missing MOT, and a bit of a blank/dodgy history gap...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Sorry to hear of the woes; that's quite a roller coaster journey. I can understand the sentiment of shying away from the brand for a while as it's hard to look at things objectively when it's YOUR car. On the other hand the probabilities of this happening again are low (if they were not low, an annual warranty would be a lot more than a grand) and it sounds like you have been offered a couple of fair offers, at least on a financial basis.
I had quite a few issues with my '21 GT3 (bought in 2023) but all very minor compared to your engine failure. I had negative views on the brand for a while but it didn't put me off buying another 911 and some of the issues I experienced related to it being the first model year. I have a GTS on order for delivery in December, deliberating avoiding the first MY2025 release especially with all the new hybrid technology.
But if I had received a call from the dealer offering me a Q1, '26 build slot for a GT3, I would have seriously considered it, although now that I'm retired I still think a Carrera or GTS is more comfortable for longer road trips, albeit in combination with a less exciting overall driving experience.
So I respectfully suggest you get on the configurator, post up your GT3 build code and we'll rip it apart! Seriously though, reference your earlier post, you are right, you can build a very nice GT3 for ~£170k with steels and ~£180k with ceramics, both plus OTR charges. It should also benefit from being the second model year which also has the updated PCM, Bose sound system (option), 10 year Connect subscription etc. Have your partner ready with the camera when you pull the cover off the oak green neo GT3 in April.
I had quite a few issues with my '21 GT3 (bought in 2023) but all very minor compared to your engine failure. I had negative views on the brand for a while but it didn't put me off buying another 911 and some of the issues I experienced related to it being the first model year. I have a GTS on order for delivery in December, deliberating avoiding the first MY2025 release especially with all the new hybrid technology.
But if I had received a call from the dealer offering me a Q1, '26 build slot for a GT3, I would have seriously considered it, although now that I'm retired I still think a Carrera or GTS is more comfortable for longer road trips, albeit in combination with a less exciting overall driving experience.
So I respectfully suggest you get on the configurator, post up your GT3 build code and we'll rip it apart! Seriously though, reference your earlier post, you are right, you can build a very nice GT3 for ~£170k with steels and ~£180k with ceramics, both plus OTR charges. It should also benefit from being the second model year which also has the updated PCM, Bose sound system (option), 10 year Connect subscription etc. Have your partner ready with the camera when you pull the cover off the oak green neo GT3 in April.
Nuttcase said:
So I respectfully suggest you get on the configurator, post up your GT3 build code and we'll rip it apart!
Haha, if I do that then I'll get slated for not speccing logo on the arm-rest, or race-tex visors, or illuminated door sills, or carbon ashtray surrounds, light design package, painted key, or many of the other things I don't want or need, but seem to be "essential" in internet world... :biggrin:Nuttcase said:
Seriously though, reference your earlier post, you are right, you can build a very nice GT3 for ~£170k with steels and ~£180k with ceramics, both plus OTR charges.
I've decided not to go Ceramics. The steels on my GT4 were great, so the steels on the 3 will be more than fine for the milage and the type of driving I do.Nuttcase said:
It should also benefit from being the second model year which also has the updated PCM, Bose sound system (option), 10 year Connect subscription etc.
Can you enlighten me on what differences there are in the PCM?Nuttcase said:
Have your partner ready with the camera when you pull the cover off the oak green neo GT3 in April.
It certainly won't be Oak Green. I want to be different from the other 99% of .2 GT3's being specced/appearing which seem to be Oak Green... 
The lure of a new GT3 ordered to my own spec was in the end too much for me to turn down. My other half said if you turn it down you probably won't get a chance to spec another GT3 from new, but you will always be able to get another used Ferarri.
Mayfair asked me this morning to send over my provisional spec so they could put it into the system today. Therefore, subject to being paid from Porsche for my car etc, the wait starts, roll on the Spring(!)...
Yup, looks good and also had the same desire despite any likelihood GT3's will be as common as muck in the near future. But joking aside, the faux material they use for the sunvisors is indeed dire so you'd like to go for either the leather or race-tex (the latter likely) to match your interior.
PCM is here.
FYI, two possible changes PAG informed us and coming in "next year's batch of cars" are the driver awareness tech being added (it's already on the configurator graphic) and a wider palette for deviated stitching for the LWBs.
PCM is here.
FYI, two possible changes PAG informed us and coming in "next year's batch of cars" are the driver awareness tech being added (it's already on the configurator graphic) and a wider palette for deviated stitching for the LWBs.
Popolou said:
PCM is here.
Thanks, that's handy to know! I'm hoping they change the PCM so it uses high-res and displays more than two lines of app icons for CarPlay. The loan Cayenne I had recently was terrible with two lines. Even my 4 year old Discovery has 4 lines! Nuttcase said:
Looks good. Any reason not to select the shark blue stitch option?
IMO Shark is light and clashes with the Lugano. Lugano doesn't represent well on the configurator, in real life it's darker and much deeper/richer.kmpowell said:
IMO Shark is light and clashes with the Lugano. Lugano doesn't represent well on the configurator, in real life it's darker and much deeper/richer.
Indeed Shark and Lugano are quite different paint colours but I wouldn't write off the shark stitching unless you have already seen them together at the dealer config room or on a car. There's a Lugano for sale at an independent in Birmingham with WP and shark stitching and at least from the photos it looks pretty good to me. It would differentiate the interior from most of the others out there.I just sold my '17 R8 that I ordered from new in Jaguar French Racing Blue (it's one of a kind and currently for sale on A/T) with Audi Ara blue stitching and that was a great match even though Ara and FRB are very different paint colours. A thread is always going to appear more subdued than a laquered paint.
Anyway, good luck with the build and order
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kmpowell said:
It certainly won't be Oak Green. I want to be different from the other 99% of .2 GT3's being specced/appearing which seem to be Oak Green...
The lure of a new GT3 ordered to my own spec was in the end too much for me to turn down. My other half said if you turn it down you probably won't get a chance to spec another GT3 from new, but you will always be able to get another used Ferarri.
Mayfair asked me this morning to send over my provisional spec so they could put it into the system today. Therefore, subject to being paid from Porsche for my car etc, the wait starts, roll on the Spring(!)...
Very nice - classy yet a tad understated and particularly like the silver wheels contrast.The lure of a new GT3 ordered to my own spec was in the end too much for me to turn down. My other half said if you turn it down you probably won't get a chance to spec another GT3 from new, but you will always be able to get another used Ferarri.
Mayfair asked me this morning to send over my provisional spec so they could put it into the system today. Therefore, subject to being paid from Porsche for my car etc, the wait starts, roll on the Spring(!)...
Not to put a dampener on proceedings but considering the misery cause by the GT4 engine, not an engine recognised for failures that I’m aware of…
You’re moving on to a car by the same manufacturer that very much does have a reputation for self destructing itself.
Lightening doesn’t strike twice, or once bitten twice shy?
You’re moving on to a car by the same manufacturer that very much does have a reputation for self destructing itself.
Lightening doesn’t strike twice, or once bitten twice shy?
nickfrog said:
Aren't those card supposed to be tracked mercilessly rather than remain practically unused? I am not convinced 1,000 miles a year is very good for them, I don't know.
I think it’s not good for any car to do such low mileage annually especially something like a GT product, I have found the most reliable cars are the ones used regularly and not used for short journeys. These cars are built to be used and it’s great when you read stories of the 150k+ miles in a gt3 that’s crossed continents or the 987 Spyder that’s used daily and done 120k no problems. Now it’s all talking values up , polishing and posing at cars and coffee lolNuttcase said:
Indeed Shark and Lugano are quite different paint colours but I wouldn't write off the shark stitching unless you have already seen them together at the dealer config room or on a car.
Yup, I went to my next-nearest OPC last weekend and had a look at it all in their config room. I personally don't think they go together. The silver/grey stitch is a nicer contrast IMO. 
nickfrog said:
Aren't those card supposed to be tracked mercilessly rather than remain practically unused? I am not convinced 1,000 miles a year is very good for them, I don't know.
As confirmed by Reading, it was an engine manufacturing issue, so the fault was there from day one. It just didn't materialise until later in life due to the low milage I do. If I'd have done 3k miles in the first year, it would have happened then instead. The problem has nothing to do with the low usage.Edited by kmpowell on Friday 7th November 09:30
PRO5T said:
Not to put a dampener on proceedings but considering the misery cause by the GT4 engine, not an engine recognised for failures that I m aware of
You re moving on to a car by the same manufacturer that very much does have a reputation for self destructing itself.
Lightening doesn t strike twice, or once bitten twice shy?
Who cares it's under warranty and if the dealer cocks up you get your money back and a a depreciation free Carr in three years! You re moving on to a car by the same manufacturer that very much does have a reputation for self destructing itself.
Lightening doesn t strike twice, or once bitten twice shy?
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