UK 951 Race Cars - Where are they?
Discussion
ted 191 said:
andy97 said:
Wayne maintains he wasnt cheating. The rules stated that the car had to give 250 bhp + or - 5% (if memory serves) on Bob Watson's rolling road. They did! And were tested numerous times.
The fact was there was another map activated when the front wheels turned (shades of VW, perhaps)!
Now your just getting stupid.The fact was there was another map activated when the front wheels turned (shades of VW, perhaps)!
The bleed valve was under the bonnet and PCGB supplied, so not adjustable when driving.
The ecu is not capable of reading information from the abs wheel speed sensors.
Wayne spent more time on my car than any other turbo, and it's FACT that there was no cheating going on.
The problem was with PCGB trying to check boost levels six times every second, no way can a spring operated waste gate control boost to that level.
The ecu is not capable of reading information from the abs wheel speed sensors.
Wayne spent more time on my car than any other turbo, and it's FACT that there was no cheating going on.
The problem was with PCGB trying to check boost levels six times every second, no way can a spring operated waste gate control boost to that level.
sim16v said:
Apart from the bleed valve, how would the boost normally be set?
My 951 was used as an instructor car for a few years, and had the boost wound down to stop people from getting in to trouble, and I don't think i've managed to get all of the boost back!
Have they bypassed the valve that sits at the back of the inlet? They could have gone directly to the waste gate to run it on "Spring pressure"My 951 was used as an instructor car for a few years, and had the boost wound down to stop people from getting in to trouble, and I don't think i've managed to get all of the boost back!
Darryl H said:
Have they bypassed the valve that sits at the back of the inlet? They could have gone directly to the waste gate to run it on "Spring pressure"
Quite possible, i'll have a look the next time i'm at the garage.MartinRS2K said:
I've not got a UK 944 Race car but I do have a genuine 1988 944 Turbo Cup car that raced in the 1988 season (finishing 7th overall) and 1989 season (finishing 11th overall)
I love that!Have read a lot about them, and how they were quicker than the 964s that replaced them
I need to get some current photos of mine.
hondansx said:
David Botterill is someone i have raced against in GT Cup in the past. Might be worth a Google 
The reality is a BMW or similar is going to give you far more access to a wider range of events, but i know what it's like to have a 'project'!
David bought my old car, although there isn't much left of it !The reality is a BMW or similar is going to give you far more access to a wider range of events, but i know what it's like to have a 'project'!
I didn't know you were on here Martin... If I'm honest your Cup has been a bit of an inspiration for me deciding to go racing in mine. Cup cars are out of my league, on the rare occasion they actually come up for sale that is! But it really wouldn't take too much effort to build a 'nearly' cup car for sensible money. And that's kind of my plan really.
Cheburator thanks for the info Re. brakes, that's really useful to know. That doesn't sound too much effort, but to start off I'll stick with the stock brakes as I've just fitted new rotors and the PFC pads aren't that old either. Once they're goosed though...
It seems there's a few around at least! Although there would be a lot more around if the PCGBC hadn't gone sour.
Cheburator thanks for the info Re. brakes, that's really useful to know. That doesn't sound too much effort, but to start off I'll stick with the stock brakes as I've just fitted new rotors and the PFC pads aren't that old either. Once they're goosed though...
It seems there's a few around at least! Although there would be a lot more around if the PCGBC hadn't gone sour.
Richair said:
I didn't know you were on here Martin... If I'm honest your Cup has been a bit of an inspiration for me deciding to go racing in mine. Cup cars are out of my league, on the rare occasion they actually come up for sale that is! But it really wouldn't take too much effort to build a 'nearly' cup car for sensible money. And that's kind of my plan really.
Cheburator thanks for the info Re. brakes, that's really useful to know. That doesn't sound too much effort, but to start off I'll stick with the stock brakes as I've just fitted new rotors and the PFC pads aren't that old either. Once they're goosed though...
It seems there's a few around at least! Although there would be a lot more around if the PCGBC hadn't gone sour.
I only look in occasionally, but I'm glad it's given you some inspiration Cheburator thanks for the info Re. brakes, that's really useful to know. That doesn't sound too much effort, but to start off I'll stick with the stock brakes as I've just fitted new rotors and the PFC pads aren't that old either. Once they're goosed though...
It seems there's a few around at least! Although there would be a lot more around if the PCGBC hadn't gone sour.
I hope to put mine on track next year but not in a race series, just a Porsche track day.
Just spotted this thread!
The car that i had built for 2010 Future classics was quite simple really not massively exotic at all.
It was a 88 silver rose,i took it to Promax to have the engine refreshed,it was fully serviced and had a MBC and their chips added to run about 1.0 bar boost.It then went to EMC at Birmingham where it was lightened with plastic front wings,nose and bonnet.Underseal stayed in place it was just a road shell.
The door trims replaced with carbon fibre sheet type,electric windows and central locking stayed in place!
Interior removed, safety- devices cage fitted,Cobra race seats and six points fitted and usual race stuff like fire extinguisher etc and a GAZ coilover kit.The car was painted inside and out in a fetching shade of Maritime blue and was totally road legal cup car sort of look a like,i had just started at club racing and didnt have a clue,i just drove it to its first test day...!.By the end of the year i had swapped from a standard exhaust to a Fabspeed 3 inch,greddy EBC,a LR intercooler and went from its standard forged road wheels to 17 inch cup 1s.It was quite competitive in Future classics and won outright at Spa and Mallory park (it did a 53.3 second lap) on Tr888s and road-able suspension,i kept it in a low state of tune and standard turbo for reliabilty it had zero DNFs with me.
Great car and experience.I reluctantly sold it to fund another car- racing in the PCGB championships in a 968 in which i did 4 seasons.Good times!
The car that i had built for 2010 Future classics was quite simple really not massively exotic at all.
It was a 88 silver rose,i took it to Promax to have the engine refreshed,it was fully serviced and had a MBC and their chips added to run about 1.0 bar boost.It then went to EMC at Birmingham where it was lightened with plastic front wings,nose and bonnet.Underseal stayed in place it was just a road shell.
The door trims replaced with carbon fibre sheet type,electric windows and central locking stayed in place!
Interior removed, safety- devices cage fitted,Cobra race seats and six points fitted and usual race stuff like fire extinguisher etc and a GAZ coilover kit.The car was painted inside and out in a fetching shade of Maritime blue and was totally road legal cup car sort of look a like,i had just started at club racing and didnt have a clue,i just drove it to its first test day...!.By the end of the year i had swapped from a standard exhaust to a Fabspeed 3 inch,greddy EBC,a LR intercooler and went from its standard forged road wheels to 17 inch cup 1s.It was quite competitive in Future classics and won outright at Spa and Mallory park (it did a 53.3 second lap) on Tr888s and road-able suspension,i kept it in a low state of tune and standard turbo for reliabilty it had zero DNFs with me.
Great car and experience.I reluctantly sold it to fund another car- racing in the PCGB championships in a 968 in which i did 4 seasons.Good times!
ted 191 said:
hondansx said:
David Botterill is someone i have raced against in GT Cup in the past. Might be worth a Google
The reality is a BMW or similar is going to give you far more access to a wider range of events, but i know what it's like to have a 'project'!
David bought my old car, although there isn't much left of it !The reality is a BMW or similar is going to give you far more access to a wider range of events, but i know what it's like to have a 'project'!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aQOsg6ajNE
MarkKo said:
Just spotted this thread!
The car that i had built for 2010 Future classics was quite simple really not massively exotic at all.
It was a 88 silver rose,i took it to Promax to have the engine refreshed,it was fully serviced and had a MBC and their chips added to run about 1.0 bar boost.It then went to EMC at Birmingham where it was lightened with plastic front wings,nose and bonnet.Underseal stayed in place it was just a road shell.
The door trims replaced with carbon fibre sheet type,electric windows and central locking stayed in place!
Interior removed, safety- devices cage fitted,Cobra race seats and six points fitted and usual race stuff like fire extinguisher etc and a GAZ coilover kit.The car was painted inside and out in a fetching shade of Maritime blue and was totally road legal cup car sort of look a like,i had just started at club racing and didnt have a clue,i just drove it to its first test day...!.By the end of the year i had swapped from a standard exhaust to a Fabspeed 3 inch,greddy EBC,a LR intercooler and went from its standard forged road wheels to 17 inch cup 1s.It was quite competitive in Future classics and won outright at Spa and Mallory park (it did a 53.3 second lap) on Tr888s and road-able suspension,i kept it in a low state of tune and standard turbo for reliabilty it had zero DNFs with me.
Great car and experience.I reluctantly sold it to fund another car- racing in the PCGB championships in a 968 in which i did 4 seasons.Good times!
Thanks for all the info chaps and Mark that's really good to hear! After I posted this up I was half expecting everyone to talk me out of this with horror stories of unreliability etc., but the opposite has happened and I have even more enthusiasm now. Mark your old car sounds pretty much what I'm aiming for. I'm already a reasonable way in on the tuning and updating side with the car (Lindsey chips, DPW, circa 1bar boost, top end rebuild, coilovers, new bushes and arms, new fuel lines) and the car is already pretty impressive on track.The car that i had built for 2010 Future classics was quite simple really not massively exotic at all.
It was a 88 silver rose,i took it to Promax to have the engine refreshed,it was fully serviced and had a MBC and their chips added to run about 1.0 bar boost.It then went to EMC at Birmingham where it was lightened with plastic front wings,nose and bonnet.Underseal stayed in place it was just a road shell.
The door trims replaced with carbon fibre sheet type,electric windows and central locking stayed in place!
Interior removed, safety- devices cage fitted,Cobra race seats and six points fitted and usual race stuff like fire extinguisher etc and a GAZ coilover kit.The car was painted inside and out in a fetching shade of Maritime blue and was totally road legal cup car sort of look a like,i had just started at club racing and didnt have a clue,i just drove it to its first test day...!.By the end of the year i had swapped from a standard exhaust to a Fabspeed 3 inch,greddy EBC,a LR intercooler and went from its standard forged road wheels to 17 inch cup 1s.It was quite competitive in Future classics and won outright at Spa and Mallory park (it did a 53.3 second lap) on Tr888s and road-able suspension,i kept it in a low state of tune and standard turbo for reliabilty it had zero DNFs with me.
Great car and experience.I reluctantly sold it to fund another car- racing in the PCGB championships in a 968 in which i did 4 seasons.Good times!
My plan is to save a decent chunk of cash over the winter before getting down to business in the spring, so hopefully I'll manage to get one or two events in next year. I have it all mapped out in my head so when I get chance I'll list down everything I have in mind.
MarkKo said:
Just spotted this thread!
The car that i had built for 2010 Future classics was quite simple really not massively exotic at all.
It was a 88 silver rose,i took it to Promax to have the engine refreshed,it was fully serviced and had a MBC and their chips added to run about 1.0 bar boost.It then went to EMC at Birmingham where it was lightened with plastic front wings,nose and bonnet.Underseal stayed in place it was just a road shell.
The door trims replaced with carbon fibre sheet type,electric windows and central locking stayed in place!
Interior removed, safety- devices cage fitted,Cobra race seats and six points fitted and usual race stuff like fire extinguisher etc and a GAZ coilover kit.The car was painted inside and out in a fetching shade of Maritime blue and was totally road legal cup car sort of look a like,i had just started at club racing and didnt have a clue,i just drove it to its first test day...!.By the end of the year i had swapped from a standard exhaust to a Fabspeed 3 inch,greddy EBC,a LR intercooler and went from its standard forged road wheels to 17 inch cup 1s.It was quite competitive in Future classics and won outright at Spa and Mallory park (it did a 53.3 second lap) on Tr888s and road-able suspension,i kept it in a low state of tune and standard turbo for reliabilty it had zero DNFs with me.
Great car and experience.I reluctantly sold it to fund another car- racing in the PCGB championships in a 968 in which i did 4 seasons.Good times!
Interesting stuff, Mark.The car that i had built for 2010 Future classics was quite simple really not massively exotic at all.
It was a 88 silver rose,i took it to Promax to have the engine refreshed,it was fully serviced and had a MBC and their chips added to run about 1.0 bar boost.It then went to EMC at Birmingham where it was lightened with plastic front wings,nose and bonnet.Underseal stayed in place it was just a road shell.
The door trims replaced with carbon fibre sheet type,electric windows and central locking stayed in place!
Interior removed, safety- devices cage fitted,Cobra race seats and six points fitted and usual race stuff like fire extinguisher etc and a GAZ coilover kit.The car was painted inside and out in a fetching shade of Maritime blue and was totally road legal cup car sort of look a like,i had just started at club racing and didnt have a clue,i just drove it to its first test day...!.By the end of the year i had swapped from a standard exhaust to a Fabspeed 3 inch,greddy EBC,a LR intercooler and went from its standard forged road wheels to 17 inch cup 1s.It was quite competitive in Future classics and won outright at Spa and Mallory park (it did a 53.3 second lap) on Tr888s and road-able suspension,i kept it in a low state of tune and standard turbo for reliabilty it had zero DNFs with me.
Great car and experience.I reluctantly sold it to fund another car- racing in the PCGB championships in a 968 in which i did 4 seasons.Good times!
How did you find the lag? My late lamented road Turbo was great at Donington and Silverstone but was a handful at Cadwell when the boost kicked in!
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