928 GTS - Manual

[sparta6]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Every train has its passengers...

The GTS 5-spd dynamically is the better car than a 964 Turbo, yet a 964 Turbo is £100k...

It is also about ability to put money into it, rather than desire - if £50k for you or me on a GTS seems ludicrous, I know enough people who see it as an absolute bargain in light of the contents of their garage, which may easily topple £1m.

I am still kicking myself for not buying a Lambo Diablo when they were in the £70k bargain bin area. Now they are £150k they are beyond my means. Can I see their prices coming down before I cannot afford one anymore? No way...

Edited by Cheburator mk2 on Friday 29th January 15:19

Spotted a GTS Manual near Norwich yesterday. Sadly not for sale

[Biggriff]

I'm looking at 928s as they can only go one way in value terms if bought wisely.

Oh and I did do the Sierra RS 500 last year. One owner 6,000 miles. Now in store as its a pension scheme car. I know it's wrong but it's just too nice to drive and have just had a broker asking me to sell for a healthy profit, but I'm sticking with it at the moment.

[GC8]

I wouldn't be too concerned about a manual transmission and I say this as someone who tried to buy a manual S4 for ages. A top plan in theory, but when youre sat in the car an automatic will be preferable in all likelihood...

[blade7]

Biggriff said:

Oh and I did do the Sierra RS 500 last year. One owner 6,000 miles. Now in store as its a pension scheme car. I know it's wrong but it's just too nice to drive

Not really, the big turbo and intercooler make them pretty dull on standard boost.

[rich888]

GC8 said:

I wouldn't be too concerned about a manual transmission and I say this as someone who tried to buy a manual S4 for ages. A top plan in theory, but when youre sat in the car an automatic will be preferable in all likelihood...

You have reminded me to call round and have a chat with a guy I knew many years ago who owned several 911 and 928s (manual and auto), and clocked up over 50,000 miles per year, so traded them in regularly, would be interesting to hear his thoughts over ownership. I recollect that he thoroughly enjoyed owning all of them, though at the time he commented that the 911 demanded total and absolute concentration all of the time, whereas the 928 was far more laid back which was very useful after a hard day in the office before a long drive home when all he wanted to do was drive home with the minimum of fuss and drama, though was totally capable of picking up its skirt and scaring the living daylight out of him as and when required.

[sparta6]

blade7 said:

Not really, the big turbo and intercooler make them pretty dull on standard boost.

"too nice" reads in a different context

[blade7]

sparta6 said:

"too nice" reads in a different context

[sparta6]

blade7 said:

off to Cyprus tomorrow and testing two RS 500's. One factory original, one breathed upon. Should be insightful

[roygarth]

Cheburator mk2 said:

A good £25k 1991 GT is still miles better as an overall package to a £35k to £45k 1991 964 C2. I know because I have driven them both extensively. The 964 will thrill you for about 2hrs and then you would feel like a glass of wine, a bath and a nice bed. The 928 will thrill less on the absolute level, but make you feel like you would not want the journey to end.

Surely they are completely different and non-comparable cars. One is a Sports car and one a GT.

[Bo_apex]

roygarth said:

Surely they are completely different and non-comparable cars. One is a Sports car and one a GT.

I completely get why you raise such a question.
Porsche really got their s**t together with the GT. It's sports-focused agile like my 328, albeit with more comfort.
They are 50KG lighter than the GTS, and have higher lift cams.
Mind you the big money is currently going into the GTS, for now

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23133/lot/150/

[blade7]

350 BHP from 5.4 litres .

[Cheburator mk2]

Bo_apex said:

roygarth said:

Surely they are completely different and non-comparable cars. One is a Sports car and one a GT.

I completely get why you raise such a question.
Porsche really got their s**t together with the GT. It's sports-focused agile like my 328, albeit with more comfort.
They are 50KG lighter than the GTS, and have higher lift cams.
Mind you the big money is currently going into the GTS, for now

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23133/lot/150/

You would think they are different, but the 928, especially a GT or a GTS 5-spd is much more of a sports car than people give them credit for. And a 928 wound up to 11 is very, very fast - look at Mark Chilton winning in the CSCC against very well prepared 911s of all vintages. I also seem to remember the Jones brothers spanking everyone in their GTS as well as Malcom Sargent doing pretty well in the Porsche Championship against cars as late as the 996...

As to the GT and GTS comparison. I have both and I must say, the GTS 5-spd is just that little bit better in every respect. Just as the 997 GTS is the best non-Turbo or GTx model of the 997 range, so is the 928GTS within that model. Bigger brakes, vastly improved and strengthened gearbox. Better and bigger wheels with fatter tyres giving you even more grip. A torque monster of an engine, which makes driving fast easier. Better sound deadening in the cabin and nice exterior touches like the cup mirrors and the flared rear arches. Lots of other subtle tweaks that I keep finding everywhere...

As for the 350bhp out of 5.4ltrs - yes, it was plenty at the time, the engine is unstressed and I have to say - a well maintained 928 is a darn side more reliable and certainly would outlast a 944. And I own a 944 Turbo S too...

[blade7]

Cheburator mk2 said:

As for the 350bhp out of 5.4ltrs - yes, it was plenty at the time, the engine is unstressed and I have to say - a well maintained 928 is a darn side more reliable and certainly would outlast a 944. And I own a 944 Turbo S too...

Just as I was starting to wonder if my bait wasn't stinky enough...

[Turbo Jonny]

Ive been looking at 928s for a while but hard to find a good one with specialist service history .
I see the advantages of an auto so will settle for the best example i can find .

[Penguinracer]

...and nice if eight cylinders are enough for you

[sparta6]

Penguinracer said:

...and nice if eight cylinders are enough for you

V12 Porsche motors are a bit tricky to source, so we have to make do with piddly little 8's

[rich888]

Here's an excellent YouTube video of a Porsche 928 lapping Nordschleife on 11 Sept 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgwHOu_b7KU

[rich888]

One more video of a 928 lapping the Eifelrennen race circuit in rain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGHgH_rOl0

[wtdoom]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Only 44 RHD 5-spd GTS were registered in the UK between 1992 and 1995. I spoke to Hexagon who told me the car sold for £50k, but also kind of admitted it was not as nice as it was made to look in the pictures. I know the whereabouts of 4 GTS 5-spds. Two of them are definitely not for sale and two could be, but the price would not be far off the Hex car. Having owned an S2 Auto, a S2 5-spd, a GT and now a GTS 5-spd, there is no argument - the GTS is the king of them all. The only other 928 that can tempt me is an early, preferably LHD spoilerless example - a 1977 or 1979 would be nice.

You have an e mail regarding the above , regards wtd

[Bo_apex]

An immaculate looking manual.
Would be a tough choice swapping out the 308 for this

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...