Discussion
Hi All,
I am considering swapping to a Porsche and have been looking around at the Macans. There seems to be a far few decent Macans about, but am really stuck on whether a Diesel will be a bad investment due to the new regulations coming in. What's the general opinion of what the second Macan market will look like in 2/3 years. Do you think they will hold their value against the petrol?
I know no-one has a crystal ball, but would be interested in what people generally think will happen?
S
I am considering swapping to a Porsche and have been looking around at the Macans. There seems to be a far few decent Macans about, but am really stuck on whether a Diesel will be a bad investment due to the new regulations coming in. What's the general opinion of what the second Macan market will look like in 2/3 years. Do you think they will hold their value against the petrol?
I know no-one has a crystal ball, but would be interested in what people generally think will happen?
S
It's a risk as you've alluded to. I'm in a similar boat re: a diesel s Cayenne purchase and really flip flopping. Do I make an informed decision (difficult because no one knows; factors include purchase price, resale value, congestion charges, fuel price, road tax being the obvious ones) or just buy one and sod the consequences. The problem is they don't seem to be discounted to buy now to offset the potentially lower value come sale time. The Porsche approved used network seems to not have such a choice of diesel vehicles as any 12 months ago - and I wonder why; have they read the writing on the wall?
Chieb's views have been useful for me. Seems the euro 6 engines are less risky.
Chieb's views have been useful for me. Seems the euro 6 engines are less risky.
Very kind!
I think it's about two things
a) Mileage - If you're doing 10k miles plus per year then the cost of running a petrol vs diesel is more important. We've done 9k miles in six months in our Cayenne S Diesel so for us diesel has a big impact on running costs.
b) How soon you're going to sell it - If you're looking to keep it for a couple of years I'd probably go petrol unless the economics of running costs are totally compelling. I think in three to five years time there will a) still be demand for diesel from people that do big annual mileage and b) the running cost equation will be more in favour of diesel because as demand wanes it will become cheaper at the pumps than petrol over that period.
If you're buying a second hand Macan there's plenty of choice of petrol cars...Cayenne's are different because there are so few petrol engine cars about other than GTS and Turbo which are rare cars.
I think it's about two things
a) Mileage - If you're doing 10k miles plus per year then the cost of running a petrol vs diesel is more important. We've done 9k miles in six months in our Cayenne S Diesel so for us diesel has a big impact on running costs.
b) How soon you're going to sell it - If you're looking to keep it for a couple of years I'd probably go petrol unless the economics of running costs are totally compelling. I think in three to five years time there will a) still be demand for diesel from people that do big annual mileage and b) the running cost equation will be more in favour of diesel because as demand wanes it will become cheaper at the pumps than petrol over that period.
If you're buying a second hand Macan there's plenty of choice of petrol cars...Cayenne's are different because there are so few petrol engine cars about other than GTS and Turbo which are rare cars.
Cheers guys,
That is really useful. I am only planning on keeping it for 2/3 years and do 10-12K annual milage. So i guess I will be looking at a petrol unless a really good deal comes up, although as Cpt Stirling said they don't seem to be discounted to price in the future threats.
Still I will test drive both petrol and diesel to at least be fully informed of the drive :-)
That is really useful. I am only planning on keeping it for 2/3 years and do 10-12K annual milage. So i guess I will be looking at a petrol unless a really good deal comes up, although as Cpt Stirling said they don't seem to be discounted to price in the future threats.
Still I will test drive both petrol and diesel to at least be fully informed of the drive :-)
Most of the mags, inc Which?, are saying there should be no issues with the latest Eu6 specification diesels, and any future legislation will likely affect petrol and diesels similarly.
For this type of vehicle, I would definitely go diesel as I prefer the mid-range power delivery and much lower fuel consumption. I even quite like the sound of the best diesels under acceleration.
I've driven a couple of Macan 'S' Ds and it's one of the best sporting SUVs you can buy. I did think the air suspension was a detectable benefit.
For this type of vehicle, I would definitely go diesel as I prefer the mid-range power delivery and much lower fuel consumption. I even quite like the sound of the best diesels under acceleration.
I've driven a couple of Macan 'S' Ds and it's one of the best sporting SUVs you can buy. I did think the air suspension was a detectable benefit.
Have a read of this. Although if you are planning on doing 10+K PA it shouldn't be an issue but really depends on your journey profiles.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Interesting.. More food for thought.
Regarding the DPF issue, hopefully that wouldn't be too much of an issue. When I drive my car to work I will generally do an 80 mile round trip, with a bit of cruising on the motorway. The DPF issues sound like if it is being used from cold for short journeys, which I don't do that often.
I guess I am back to square one again though. Still can't decide if it is a risk or not for the diesel model. There is definitely more stock of the diesels around, but I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Porsche had sold a lot more of these than the petrols.
Regarding the DPF issue, hopefully that wouldn't be too much of an issue. When I drive my car to work I will generally do an 80 mile round trip, with a bit of cruising on the motorway. The DPF issues sound like if it is being used from cold for short journeys, which I don't do that often.
I guess I am back to square one again though. Still can't decide if it is a risk or not for the diesel model. There is definitely more stock of the diesels around, but I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Porsche had sold a lot more of these than the petrols.
GSM_CC said:
Hi All,
I am considering swapping to a Porsche and have been looking around at the Macans. There seems to be a far few decent Macans about, but am really stuck on whether a Diesel will be a bad investment due to the new regulations coming in. What's the general opinion of what the second Macan market will look like in 2/3 years. Do you think they will hold their value against the petrol?
I know no-one has a crystal ball, but would be interested in what people generally think will happen?
S
I sold my 1 yr old Diesel S last January with 17,000 miles to a prestige dealer. I took a bit of a loss but more telling for me is that in 3 months he never had a single enquiry about it. He then sold it to a Porsche dealer for a £500 gain and they took 4 months to sell it. It sold because it was the best spec and colour combination they had at the time. Dark blue/full grey leather, PASM, sports exhaust, Bose, Pano roof and more. Read into the above what you will.I am considering swapping to a Porsche and have been looking around at the Macans. There seems to be a far few decent Macans about, but am really stuck on whether a Diesel will be a bad investment due to the new regulations coming in. What's the general opinion of what the second Macan market will look like in 2/3 years. Do you think they will hold their value against the petrol?
I know no-one has a crystal ball, but would be interested in what people generally think will happen?
S
I changed to a new Petrol S, because I do only 8000 pa now. Avg mpg Petrol 23/24, Diesel 34/36. If you are a high mileage driver, the Diesel is a great choice, it drives beautifully. It concerns me that Eco warrior authorities will lump all diesel vehicles together when restrictive rules are put in place. However, do buy a Macan but with the engine that's right for you.
Tricky one as diesel prices are noticeably falling already. In contrast, petrol prices are frankly silly. I was talking to my local Porsche dealer a few weeks back and he said he could get me a new Petrol S within 3 months as plenty of available build slots in the system. No discounts, but they are currently selling 12 month old Petrol S at close to new retail money so far better to buy new.
Hi - we have just been through a similar decision process. Family car was stolen in August and written off early October (S4) so we have been using my 911 as a family car since then (not ideal!). We were considering an XC90 Diesel but i could not bring myself to put £50k+ into a 4 cylinder diesel. We then looked at a Macan and it just felt more like us - used prices seem really high so new felt the best way to go. Dealers seem to have unsold Diesels to offer. However we chose the petrol as it just felt the right engine for the car, we are having to wait longer (mid Nov as a cancelled order). My recommendation is go and drive both, the sound on start up of the 3.0 petrol vs the diesel sealed it for me from the off.
Well, I took the Macan S Diesel out for a test drive and loved it. Really nice car and lovely to drive.
I had been thinking about a year or two old one, but ended up buying one that was on delivery to the showroom with nearly everything I wanted. The only thing it doesn't have is the Sports Chrono Pack, which if I hadn't played with it in the test drive I wouldn't have wanted, but can probably live without it. As suggested, I am going the PCP route so that I am protected somewhat against future diesel penalties. I ended up paying not much more than the price of the 1/2 year old ones I was considering.
Thank all for the advice, and I will pop a picture up next week when I pick it up from the dealer.
I had been thinking about a year or two old one, but ended up buying one that was on delivery to the showroom with nearly everything I wanted. The only thing it doesn't have is the Sports Chrono Pack, which if I hadn't played with it in the test drive I wouldn't have wanted, but can probably live without it. As suggested, I am going the PCP route so that I am protected somewhat against future diesel penalties. I ended up paying not much more than the price of the 1/2 year old ones I was considering.
Thank all for the advice, and I will pop a picture up next week when I pick it up from the dealer.
About 500 miles in and mine is doing about 33mpg for mixed driving, hoping it might end up around 35?
Mine has the chrono pack which seemed a waste in a diesel (also a pre-specced car), but the other day I tried Sports Plus away from a set of lights and couldn't believe how well it took off!
My car is missing the 'lighting' pack, which means no illuminated vanity mirrors, in a £60 odd grand car, ffs!! Other wise, apart from yet being able to find a comfortable setting for the 18 ways, it's all good.
Mine has the chrono pack which seemed a waste in a diesel (also a pre-specced car), but the other day I tried Sports Plus away from a set of lights and couldn't believe how well it took off!
My car is missing the 'lighting' pack, which means no illuminated vanity mirrors, in a £60 odd grand car, ffs!! Other wise, apart from yet being able to find a comfortable setting for the 18 ways, it's all good.
Took delivery of my Macan S (Diesel) in March, and as it rolled onto 1000 had the dreaded Regen PFilter warning. I made sure it had more long runs and it then lasted until 7200 until it occurred again.
I have had a long chat today to the Centre Principal who advised me that the 3L Cayenne has the same issue and a fix has now been released for this model and shortly it will be released for the Macan. He admitted the filters had been set too high (simplistic terms)
Whether the Software update will 'fix' the issue is yet to be seen. In the meantime I have to go on journey I don't need to make and do more miles than I ever intended to put on the car, meanwhile keep filling the fuel tank, just to avoid the ping of doom. 7th diesel, same. I leave, never happened till I went to Porsche 😡
I have had a long chat today to the Centre Principal who advised me that the 3L Cayenne has the same issue and a fix has now been released for this model and shortly it will be released for the Macan. He admitted the filters had been set too high (simplistic terms)
Whether the Software update will 'fix' the issue is yet to be seen. In the meantime I have to go on journey I don't need to make and do more miles than I ever intended to put on the car, meanwhile keep filling the fuel tank, just to avoid the ping of doom. 7th diesel, same. I leave, never happened till I went to Porsche 😡
Thread revival
My wife bought one of the last diesel Macans in February 18
Car had £13k of options and was heavily discounted to shift it. Think she paid about £52k
Was considering getting rid in January this year, Porsche offered £41k which was a bit disappointing and we kept it
Same dealer offered £33k this week. WBAC similar
Dealers are avoiding these like the plague
My wife bought one of the last diesel Macans in February 18
Car had £13k of options and was heavily discounted to shift it. Think she paid about £52k
Was considering getting rid in January this year, Porsche offered £41k which was a bit disappointing and we kept it
Same dealer offered £33k this week. WBAC similar
Dealers are avoiding these like the plague
MOBB said:
Thread revival
My wife bought one of the last diesel Macans in February 18
Car had £13k of options and was heavily discounted to shift it. Think she paid about £52k
Was considering getting rid in January this year, Porsche offered £41k which was a bit disappointing and we kept it
Same dealer offered £33k this week. WBAC similar
Dealers are avoiding these like the plague
Interesting update. I was looking at Macans with the wife today. Something for her to move from a 220i convertible. My wife bought one of the last diesel Macans in February 18
Car had £13k of options and was heavily discounted to shift it. Think she paid about £52k
Was considering getting rid in January this year, Porsche offered £41k which was a bit disappointing and we kept it
Same dealer offered £33k this week. WBAC similar
Dealers are avoiding these like the plague
I was about to buy a 2014 Diesel but she'll mostly do short journeys so I'll have to reconsider.
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