944 turbo, underrated?

944 turbo, underrated?

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Penguinracer

992 posts

165 months

Sunday 29th March
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Apologies Paul - I have no intention to derail your thread.
Agreed - if Alex is happy to discuss details of his racing 928 the this should be in a new thread.

Kawasicki

8,142 posts

194 months

Sunday 29th March
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I had a ‘91 (I think) bridge spoiler SE with the M030 pack for a couple of years.

It was a great car. It was driven hard, and it was extremely reliable.

The best thing about it was the suspension. It was agile, but extremely tied down, even on bumpy as hell back roads. Not an easy car to control a slide though... the engine power delivery characteristics and throttle modulation sometimes made it very tricky accelerating out of corners.

Way too much money now though.

sgl1966

3 posts

100 months

Sunday 29th March
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Yes Paul very underrated , one of the reasons I like them .
Look forward to see where Barry goes with that engine he’s built. His write up on the first 3l was why I built mine .

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Monday 30th March
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sgl1966 said:
Yes Paul very underrated , one of the reasons I like them .
Look forward to see where Barry goes with that engine he’s built. His write up on the first 3l was why I built mine .
Impressive lurking Simon bow. TBH I'll be surprised if Barry finishes the engine. I think he has a fair bit of money in it already, and he's been looking to get most of it out for a while. Added to that it's still a work in progress, and there seems to be a question about turbo gearbox repair parts too.

Escy

2,589 posts

108 months

Monday 30th March
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Caddyshack said:
I picked up a lovely condition 2.5l auto 944 - early shape. I am mid way through turning it in to a turbo but using a 1.8t 20v mated to Manual 944 box via an adapter I made using a golf bellhousing.
Sounds good, can you do a build thread on it?

Cheburator mk2

2,613 posts

158 months

Monday 30th March
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blade7 said:
Impressive lurking Simon bow. TBH I'll be surprised if Barry finishes the engine. I think he has a fair bit of money in it already, and he's been looking to get most of it out for a while. Added to that it's still a work in progress, and there seems to be a question about turbo gearbox repair parts too.
what has become NLA? We opened the gearbox on the 944T race car - it was a matching Nr cars - it had 260k miles so I guess the same on the gearbox. The verdict - not bad at all actually.

Worn synchro 3d gear - check, worn pinion bearing check, LSD plates - still serviceable, but it would have been a shame not to do it properly. The rest of the box was mint, even after a season of hard racing on it...


alabbasi

1,246 posts

46 months

Monday 30th March
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I owned one briefly a few years ago. I bought it from a salvage auction after the engine caught fire (common issue as the rubber hoses perish and pour fuel over the manifolds). Fixed the car by replacing all the burnt wires and drove it for a while.

It was a whole lot of fun. I ended up selling it because I had a 928 S4 which I was also playing with. In hindsight, I should have kept it and unloaded the 928 which is a lot less exciting. They've gone up in value recently. I don't think that they can be called under valued. Maybe in a few months as all values drop.

sgl1966

3 posts

100 months

Monday 30th March
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Thanks Paul , not my normal habitat but Tipec has been a bit quiet . What A4 Quattro do you have , just rebuilt my B7 tfsi with new mahle rings due to ridiculous oil consumption .Had to use all my will power to resist putting in forged rods and a ko4 . Not a drop of oil used after run in .
The 944 is still such a great car to drive and work on , even I can understand how it works .

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Monday 30th March
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sgl1966 said:
What A4 Quattro do you have , just rebuilt my B7 tfsi with new mahle rings due to ridiculous oil consumption .Had to use all my will power to resist putting in forged rods and a ko4 . Not a drop of oil used after run in .
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Same model/engine in an 05 Avant S-line. Bought it 8 years ago from it's first owner. I've hardly used it for 2 or 3 years and thought about buying something newer, or maybe fitting some S3 engine bits. I thought it was the B8 engines that had piston ring issues?

sgl1966

3 posts

100 months

Monday 30th March
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The B7 had a naff oil control ring which has pin holes to let the oil through and these get coked up over time forcing the oil above the rings till your using a litre every 500 miles .
Still with the rebuilt turbo , decoked head and a stage 1 remap it is good for 250hp which puts it in direct comparison with a 944 turbo and I can fill it with crap for the tip and take the dog to the field with out being to bothered if it gets the odd scratch .
A tuned 944 is a different animal altogether.

GC8

19,397 posts

149 months

Wednesday 1st April
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blade7 said:
The guy that mapped them is, if the rumour is true. It would be interesting to know how much difference an extra 6-8 lb of boost made.
This would be a friend of my uncle's: Wayne Schofield. From memory it involved the ABS sensors, but with FrontRunners becoming ever more popular, and every thats just bought one being an expert, my interest has diminished.

IMI A

8,065 posts

160 months

thegreenhell

7,801 posts

178 months

Monday 13th April
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Not bad for someone shuffling the wheel while wearing a pair of marigolds.

IMI A

8,065 posts

160 months

Monday 13th April
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He learned the track on playstation. Those mods aren't too dear either wink


Cheburator mk2

2,613 posts

158 months

Monday 13th April
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Ok, this one is modded, but which car in the series isn’t...

https://youtu.be/bV0vDa7Eprw

GC8

19,397 posts

149 months

Tuesday 14th April
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IMI A said:
He learned the track on playstation. Those mods aren't too dear either wink

His approach to Aremberg had my buttocks gripping the seat!

IMI A

8,065 posts

160 months

Tuesday 14th April
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Watch this one on a busy day then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUiWvr9TWeI

GC8

19,397 posts

149 months

Tuesday 14th April
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I prefer the Scott Goodyear in-car from the Escort series, or whatever it was. Cup cars. In one he takes virtually the whole field in two laps.

andy97

4,021 posts

181 months

Wednesday 15th April
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blade7 said:
smile



When they were raced the legal boost was checked. Apparently it could be fiddled higher when the front wheels were turning. It's only cheating if you get caught.
Yes, I was told that, too, by “Chipwizards” who may have been involved!!!
On Bob Watson’s rolling road (the championship approved RR) the 951’s delivered 250 bhp plus or minus x%. As soon as the car was on the track there was some form of rotary switch on the front wheels which led to a different map being used and more power.
The racers argued they were legal as the regs stated 250bhp on BW’s RR, which they gave. PCGB could not prove otherwise but eventually mandated that the 951 could only race in the Porsche Open series.

I am another one that regrets selling my road car but was under pressure from Mrs 97 to sell either the 951 or my ur Quattro. I kept the right car but wish I had kept both.
I don’t regret selling the 951 race car, though. It was a great car, and one of the lightest, albeit standard engine and no different map trickery; it handled really well but just a bit too difficult and expensive to get parts for at my budget level.
Before I bought it, Jamie Chadwick had used it in Ireland when she was chasing signatures ahead of her British GT4 title winning season.
I would have loved to have taken mine to Augment Automotive for their ecu and wastegate work but I just couldn’t really afford and justify it.
I have a Caterham now, which I love.


Edited by andy97 on Wednesday 15th April 10:28

GC8

19,397 posts

149 months

Wednesday 15th April
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It used the ABS sensor, as I stated previously.