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Mintbird said:
9e 28 said:
There were a few CTRs based on 964 C2 too.
Are you sure? Ive seen some 964 CTR`s but they look like special comissions to me.Live and learn I guess.
9e 28 said:
Mintbird said:
9e 28 said:
There were a few CTRs based on 964 C2 too.
Are you sure? Ive seen some 964 CTR`s but they look like special comissions to me.Live and learn I guess.
Supposedly there are around 25 conversions on top of the 29 original cars, but rumour has it there are less than 20 left on the road. Might be b
ks though, who knows.This says there were 2 CTRs built on the 964 model, both for the US, I'm pretty sure this is accurate
http://www.rufregistry.com/registry-category/?c=67...
http://www.rufregistry.com/registry-category/?c=67...
Mintbird said:
Care to share your views on this model? Be gentle please 
The CTR is an icon for a lot of us. I have the article in my drawer where it out ran all the hypercars in the late 80s. 213mph !!!!! this id pretty nuts today but in 1987 was enough to give petrol heads convulsions, I worshipped this car and have most everything ever produced about it.I like to have fast cars which can be daily driven and assumed that a CTR would be an ultimate DDer so I bought a used one in the mid 90s, it was one of the retrofitted ones but still had all the bits including CF bonnet and doors. Unfortunately because in the late 80s the only way to control 500hp was to make the chassis really stiff resulted in the CTR having a very choppy ride which was OK on those flat sweepers round Pfaffenshausen but unacceptable on UK roads. The engine mapping as you mention in your post above also was quite rudimentary MAP based tuning which combined with inadequate intercooling resulted in a very rich running engine which did always stink of petrol (wait until you try and MOT it !) and did about 10mpg whate ever you did.
The last bit which makes the CTR difficult as a DD is the cost of all the R parts. Ruf does it correctly as a manufacturer and has part numbers for all those lovely bespoke bits but the downside is when you come to buy them......ouch. Rear silencer £10K, I was looking at your pics and was thinking new brake discs, shockers etc etc..... bloody big bills if you wanted to actually use that thing.
Having said all the above I refer to my first sentence and applaud you for buying one and look forward to hearing your thoughts and trials and tribulations with this wonderful thing
The 213mph test is in the link below courtesy of my old mucker Jean.
http://rennlist.com/forums/911-turbo-930-forum/336...
http://rennlist.com/forums/911-turbo-930-forum/336...
TB993tt said:
Mintbird said:
Care to share your views on this model? Be gentle please
The CTR is an icon for a lot of us. I have the article in my drawer where it out ran all the hypercars in the late 80s. 213mph !!!!! this id pretty nuts today but in 1987 was enough to give petrol heads convulsions, I worshipped this car and have most everything ever produced about it.I like to have fast cars which can be daily driven and assumed that a CTR would be an ultimate DDer so I bought a used one in the mid 90s, it was one of the retrofitted ones but still had all the bits including CF bonnet and doors. Unfortunately because in the late 80s the only way to control 500hp was to make the chassis really stiff resulted in the CTR having a very choppy ride which was OK on those flat sweepers round Pfaffenshausen but unacceptable on UK roads. The engine mapping as you mention in your post above also was quite rudimentary MAP based tuning which combined with inadequate intercooling resulted in a very rich running engine which did always stink of petrol (wait until you try and MOT it !) and did about 10mpg whate ever you did.
The last bit which makes the CTR difficult as a DD is the cost of all the R parts. Ruf does it correctly as a manufacturer and has part numbers for all those lovely bespoke bits but the downside is when you come to buy them......ouch. Rear silencer £10K, I was looking at your pics and was thinking new brake discs, shockers etc etc..... bloody big bills if you wanted to actually use that thing.
Having said all the above I refer to my first sentence and applaud you for buying one and look forward to hearing your thoughts and trials and tribulations with this wonderful thing
Are we talking "I think i need a lay-down" quotations whenever there is something wrong with it?
Mintbird said:
Thanks for a great reply. So basically, running a CTR require deep pockets when things needs to be replaced. Arent the discs just brembo 330`s, and the shocks just revalved bilsteins? how expensive can it be.... >.< ( famous last words)
Are we talking "I think i need a lay-down" quotations whenever there is something wrong with it?
Are we talking "I think i need a lay-down" quotations whenever there is something wrong with it?
I guess it depends on how "original" you want to keep it. I suppose a lot of the parts can be replaced with "close enough" patterns but then at some point you are taking the Rufness out of it. I had a stack of bills from the original (rich) French owner of mine and everything he had done was by Ruf and it was crazy money stuff, really quite scared me and I'm not usually scared of man math "upgrades".
When my silencer was shagged and Ruf nonchalantly said 10K I realised that I was out of my pain threshold and had my shop get the welder out
It may well have changed as I know Ruf like to market themselves as competitive for restorations and servicing so it is feasible they have more realistic prices now but I somehow doubt it.
Have you driven it yet ? can you tell what you think ?
Mintbird said:
should be for the oil 
ÖLKLAPPE!
Porsche only ever produced one model with an external oil filler. The 2.4 E Series of 1972. That's why I asked what it was for. I presume the one on yours was there for a RUF-related reason, given that the car is based on a 3.2? ÖLKLAPPE! On the topic of genuine RUF chassis numbers, I embarked on a search for a CTR 7 years ago and only found one car of the 5 for sale at that time had a genuine RUF chassis number. The rest were cars that had been (at best...) converted by RUF.
I should have bought the green car in Jersey, but the asking price was nigh on double the asking prices for the non-RUF chassis numbered cars and at the time I wasn't convinced the premium was deserved. The market has proven me wrong!
Finally, wasn't the BTR the model based on the 964, or is my elderly memory failing me?
They're defo not cheap to run if serviced by Ruf. I know of one that needed a complete engine overhaul and it was eye wateringly expensive when car was sent back to Ruf. We're talking twice the cost of a new factory mezger turbo engine! Still these things sell for a lot of money so worth keeping them in the Ruf family IMO.
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