Buying a track Porsche - 3 questions first

[stef1808]

Hello everybody,

Ive decided to go for a classic Porsche as my next track/weekend car and I want to spend around £50k on it. From what Ive read the 964 and 993 handle about the same once fully prepared but not much info on the SC (probably my favorite looking one). My first question is how would a fully prepared SC handle compared to the others.

2. I know this comment probably wont go down well with the enthusiasts here but <300 bhp just wont do. How much max power can the 3.0 in the SC produce keeping it NA (what about the 964,993)

and lastly; I suppose it would make more economical sense to buy an already prepared car, other than porscheclubmotorsport.co.uk and the usual car sale sites, where can I find one.

Thanks,

[hondansx]

Race Cars Direct or the PH classifieds if you want a ready made one, just bear in mind race cars are rough around the edges and you'd have to get over the fact most won't have a service history! Depends on how much you care about provenance.

To get you started,
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/77814/po...
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/69754/po...
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/76678/po...

And if you want to start from scratch...
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/77607/po...

[stef1808]

I forgot about racecarsdirect - thanks.

The 3.0 RS replica is such a beast, shame its out of budget that rsr replica looks pretty interesting though. Private sale from south africa seems like a hastle though.

The shell for 21300 pounds seems expensive to me.

[boxsey]

The 964 race car in this link was for sale/auction one or two times last year:

https://www.motorsportauctions.com/index.php?a=2&a...

It was originally owned/raced by the Goose (Marcus). The current owner had a full engine rebuild and other stuff done when he bought it. Maybe drop the Goose a PM to see if he knows if it's for sale at the moment?

p.s. I take the claim in the auction advert that it was built at a cost of £100,000 with a pinch of salt.

[PinkyRed]

Shell is a bargain

[iguana]

stef1808 said:

Hello everybody,

Ive decided to go for a classic Porsche as my next track/weekend car and I want to spend around £50k on it. From what Ive read the 964 and 993 handle about the same once fully prepared but not much info on the SC (probably my favorite looking one). My first question is how would a fully prepared SC handle compared to the others.

2. I know this comment probably wont go down well with the enthusiasts here but <300 bhp just wont do. How much max power can the 3.0 in the SC produce keeping it NA (what about the 964,993)

and lastly; I suppose it would make more economical sense to buy an already prepared car, other than porscheclubmotorsport.co.uk and the usual car sale sites, where can I find one.

Thanks,

Sc v different handling to a 964/993 which are also quite different to each other, depends what you prefer.

Power wise if your budget is large enough 400 bhp area possible n/a but it would be a large budget indeed.

[hondansx]

The Singer 911s start with a 964 engine that goes over to Ed Pink. Think they make between 380 - 420 depending on it being the 3.8 or 4.0.

[Jevvy]

stef1808 said:

From what Ive read the 964 and 993 handle about the same once fully prepared but not much info on the SC (probably my favorite looking one). My first question is how would a fully prepared SC handle compared to the others.

With money spent in the right areas you can make each of your options perform about as well as each other, they will just feel a bit different doing so. Dont limit your impact bumper car search only to SC's, there are other variations of that group (3.2, C3 etc) that would make good donor cars too, in fact one could argue that if you want to go for higher power a late G50 gearbox 3.2 might make a better starting point compared to an SC.

stef1808 said:

I know this comment probably wont go down well with the enthusiasts here but <300 bhp just wont do. How much max power can the 3.0 in the SC produce keeping it NA (what about the 964,993)

Around 300bhp (tuned original engine or transplant a later engine) in an impact bumper car is pretty good fun, sure more power would cool but gets expensive. Instead get some weight out and decent setup and you'll be having plenty of giggles on track (Volume Warning!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmoy-oKS_KY

964 & 993 also make great track rats, cost of entry is higher but provides a slightly more user friendly(refined) base (Power steering/abs etc) but you will be replacing pretty much everything anyway so its all down to whether you want a torsion bar car (an impact bumper), a later coilover car with a classic 911 silhouette (a 964) or the later look of the last of the aircooled (a 993).

Try http://www.impactbumpers.com/forum/ for more info on SC type track options & http://rennlist.com/forums/964-forum-59 for 993/964 stuff.

Good luck with your hunt

[stef1808]

Thanks for your post. Can you not replace the torsion bar cars setup with modern day coilovers?

[Slippydiff]

You can, but it kind of defeats the object of going with the earlier car
400 N/A hp will as others have suggested, cost a massive chunk of cash.
I'd go 3.5 (it's a superb bore to strike ratio) and with a decent ITB set up (with a modern ECU) some proper cams and a decent set of manifolds and exhaust, you'll have 350hp which in a lightened car will make for a very quick car indeed.
Far better to shed some weight rather than throw huge amounts of money chasing another 50hp to get you up to that "magical" 400hp level.

[Steve Rance]

If you want a modern platform, i'd stick to a 964 and spend some money on a backdate - it will be a cheaper and more fiesable option if you want an older look. The 964 platform is relatively simple to tune with lots of excellent bolt on Suspension and brake upgrades available. All that is pretty achievable. I'm not sure that your power expectations are relaistic without a huge budget. Slippy's suggestion is sensible but even 350bhp will be an expensive excercise. You dont get particularly good bhp per £ rewards from these engines unfortunately

[Chris-mac]

I track my 993 c4 every month, it's brilliant fun. It's ecu is mapped to give 291bhp from a standard engine with standard exhaust, I've fitted bucket seats, harness, front strut brace, H&R lowering springs and light weight wheels with track tyres as well as taking as much weight out as possible. Everything can be reversed back to a standard car but getting weight out is much cheaper than major engine work.

Every time I turn up at a track people want to look at it, comment on it's sound, I can't possibly think of a more characterful machine to enjoy on the limit.

[BertBert]

The Nick Fulljames 3.8 engine that he builds (he calls it his "Cup" engine) is very good, but you'll really struggle to sensibly get to 400 I reckon!

I have one in my 3.2 hotrod and it's a blast! We'll be back out to start the year at the RS day - hurrah!

[gubsta]

I built a track 993.
I have to say the cost on reflection was eye watering but my god it's fun!

[nickfrog]

It does look fun!!! Brilliant move. Bedford ? Not sure which corner ?

[hunter 66]

Steve Rance said:

If you want a modern platform, i'd stick to a 964 and spend some money on a backdate - it will be a cheaper and more fiesable option if you want an older look. The 964 platform is relatively simple to tune with lots of excellent bolt on Suspension and brake upgrades available. All that is pretty achievable. I'm not sure that your power expectations are relaistic without a huge budget. Slippy's suggestion is sensible but even 350bhp will be an expensive excercise. You dont get particularly good bhp per £ rewards from these engines unfortunately

Agree Steve unless ... twin K 27 and big intercooler ..

[gubsta]

nickfrog said:

It does look fun!!! Brilliant move. Bedford ? Not sure which corner ?

Yup Bedford. No idea which corner! Had a great day though. Must go back soon.

[jhayter1973]

stef1808 said:

Hello everybody,

Ive decided to go for a classic Porsche as my next track/weekend car and I want to spend around £50k on it. From what Ive read the 964 and 993 handle about the same once fully prepared but not much info on the SC (probably my favorite looking one). My first question is how would a fully prepared SC handle compared to the others.

2. I know this comment probably wont go down well with the enthusiasts here but <300 bhp just wont do. How much max power can the 3.0 in the SC produce keeping it NA (what about the 964,993)

and lastly; I suppose it would make more economical sense to buy an already prepared car, other than porscheclubmotorsport.co.uk and the usual car sale sites, where can I find one.

Thanks,

Please feel free to PM me - I have a road legal 3.2 carerra sport (guards red) which has been set for the track by PARR Porsche racing team which I am due to list for sale. This could be the perfect car for you to start with as everything is sorted. I have a link to 50 images on Dropbox and have all the original parts, seats, steering wheel, etc.

Jez. 07702705845

[911-32]

My car is for sale if the OP is still looking. 3.0RS inspired, 280+hp, sub 1050kg, G50 and pretty much everything you would expect to find on a good club race car build plus a few more goodies. Tested over many years in my ownership and almost in budget.

Happy to take inquiries.