Looking to get an air cooled 911
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Bit of a minefield, but very rewarding if you get it right.
Worth doing a lot of research - could start here http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/index.php?sid=9e7...
Worth doing a lot of research - could start here http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/index.php?sid=9e7...
Steve Rance said:
I have a 997 GT3 gen1 and a modified 964 C2. They complement each other very well. The 964 responds well to bolt on upgrades as it has modern underpinnings. Coil overs etc...
The 964 has always been a great favourite of mine.A pure looking 911.I understand they changed the suspension on the 964
Gary C said:
I've got a 89 3.2 carrera fpsh with 28k on the clock and have been playing with the idea of swapping it for a 997 gt3. I was amazed at how much the gt3 felt like my carrera (much faster obviously) on the track and an old car is such a responsibility.
Humm what to do.
Put it in an auction and get a fortune for it! 28k miles is so low and if it were mine I'd feel that I would never want to add to that! maybe thats just meHumm what to do.
Can I hijack and ask if there are any good books I should be buying to read up on the pre-73 cars?
I trawled the classifieds over the weekend and am left very confused. You can get ones called an S, or a T, or with a 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, some have a long hood, , some have an oil flap, some run on carbs etc. etc. Naturally of course, they are ALL amazing, super rare, and super special for some particular reason...according to the advert of course.
But as a result, they are ALL amazing, and yet spread from about £60k - £235k without looking particularly different.
So, appreciate I am naive here and want to walk in with eyes wide open. I know if a car doesn't have matching numbers (engine and 'box) then it should be worth less. However, some cars are restored and repainted and command huge money, whereas I thought a lack of originality would reduce, not increase!
I personally am not bothered about originality. I want a car that looks good and drives good. But I just want to make sure I don't pay over the odds for, when the dust settles or the financial market collapses, a £100k 911 doesn't become a £10,000 heap of junk overnight.
I trawled the classifieds over the weekend and am left very confused. You can get ones called an S, or a T, or with a 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, some have a long hood, , some have an oil flap, some run on carbs etc. etc. Naturally of course, they are ALL amazing, super rare, and super special for some particular reason...according to the advert of course.
But as a result, they are ALL amazing, and yet spread from about £60k - £235k without looking particularly different.
So, appreciate I am naive here and want to walk in with eyes wide open. I know if a car doesn't have matching numbers (engine and 'box) then it should be worth less. However, some cars are restored and repainted and command huge money, whereas I thought a lack of originality would reduce, not increase!
I personally am not bothered about originality. I want a car that looks good and drives good. But I just want to make sure I don't pay over the odds for, when the dust settles or the financial market collapses, a £100k 911 doesn't become a £10,000 heap of junk overnight.
hondansx said:
Can I hijack and ask if there are any good books I should be buying to read up on the pre-73 cars?
Peter Morgan's 'Porsche 911 Collector's Originality Guide' by Motorbooks is a good primer. Just looked on Amazon and knocked out by price: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Collectors-Originality-Gu...Another (but US) is 'Porsche 911 Red Book 3rd Edition: Specifications, Options, Production Numbers, Data Codes and More' by the late Pat Paternie see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Porsche-911-Red-Book-Spec...
Morgan has done others, I only have the above. Is this the same book? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Porsche-911-1964...
stevewak said:
hondansx said:
Can I hijack and ask if there are any good books I should be buying to read up on the pre-73 cars?
Peter Morgan's 'Porsche 911 Collector's Originality Guide' by Motorbooks is a good primer. Just looked on Amazon and knocked out by price: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Collectors-Originality-Gu...Another (but US) is 'Porsche 911 Red Book 3rd Edition: Specifications, Options, Production Numbers, Data Codes and More' by the late Pat Paternie see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Porsche-911-Red-Book-Spec...
Morgan has done others, I only have the above. Is this the same book? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Porsche-911-1964...
I think that the air cooled 911 must be one of if not the most tuned and modified car in all of it's guises since it was launched. Your problem - i suspect - is not knowing what version to buy, but rather just getting a good one. Upon reflection, I'd just advise you to look for a good air cooled car. Any air cooled car, but a good one. Unless you are very lucky and find a good air cooled car thats been modded well and in the specification that you require, i'd keep my options open. I chose a 964 only because i knew exactly what I wanted from the my car and the 964 best suited that requirement as a starting point.
These cars are beautiful blank canvesses. My car has been built to be a very sharp road/track car. Some drivers will like it and others will be shocked by it. You may want something a lot softer. It's always better to build something that's exactly what you want. Buying someone else's idea of perfection may well be a compromise for you. As long as you dont want huge power gains, you can create just about anything you want to from a 911 so make sure you know what you want from yours first.
These cars are beautiful blank canvesses. My car has been built to be a very sharp road/track car. Some drivers will like it and others will be shocked by it. You may want something a lot softer. It's always better to build something that's exactly what you want. Buying someone else's idea of perfection may well be a compromise for you. As long as you dont want huge power gains, you can create just about anything you want to from a 911 so make sure you know what you want from yours first.
Steve Rance said:
I think that the air cooled 911 must be one of if not the most tuned and modified car in all of it's guises since it was launched. Your problem - i suspect - is not knowing what version to buy, but rather just getting a good one. Upon reflection, I'd just advise you to look for a good air cooled car. Any air cooled car, but a good one. Unless you are very lucky and find a good air cooled car thats been modded well and in the specification that you require, i'd keep my options open. I chose a 964 only because i knew exactly what I wanted from the my car and the 964 best suited that requirement as a starting point.
These cars are beautiful blank canvesses. My car has been built to be a very sharp road/track car. Some drivers will like it and others will be shocked by it. You may want something a lot softer. It's always better to build something that's exactly what you want. Buying someone else's idea of perfection may well be a compromise for you. As long as you dont want huge power gains, you can create just about anything you want to from a 911 so make sure you know what you want from yours first.
Hi SteveThese cars are beautiful blank canvesses. My car has been built to be a very sharp road/track car. Some drivers will like it and others will be shocked by it. You may want something a lot softer. It's always better to build something that's exactly what you want. Buying someone else's idea of perfection may well be a compromise for you. As long as you dont want huge power gains, you can create just about anything you want to from a 911 so make sure you know what you want from yours first.
964,s do seem to be the best value for money. Early 911,s are fetching a fortune now.I guess thats why companys like Singer use the 964 platform to creat their backdate cars.
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