Looking to get an air cooled 911

Looking to get an air cooled 911

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evodarren

Original Poster:

428 posts

133 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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I currently have a 997.1 Gt3 . I’m looking at getting an air cooled 911 to add. Looking st 964,s or earlier . Any recommendations. Love the early pre 74 cars but even like 70,s 80,s as well.
Never had an air cooled before.

Lungauer

293 posts

151 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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My 964 C2 may possibly be available - I've been mulling it over at least. Black manual coupe with some trick bits. PM me for more info.

Koln-RS

3,849 posts

211 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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Bit of a minefield, but very rewarding if you get it right.

Worth doing a lot of research - could start here http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/index.php?sid=9e7...

sng45

497 posts

175 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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Debating selling my 3.2 Carrera as I've got too many cars and never use it ! Owned it for almost five years, red with linen leather, G50, 81,000 miles and full Peter Morgan report when I bought it.

Drop me a line if it's of interest


Steve Rance

5,435 posts

230 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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I have a 997 GT3 gen1 and a modified 964 C2. They complement each other very well. The 964 responds well to bolt on upgrades as it has modern underpinnings. Coil overs etc...

evodarren

Original Poster:

428 posts

133 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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Steve Rance said:
I have a 997 GT3 gen1 and a modified 964 C2. They complement each other very well. The 964 responds well to bolt on upgrades as it has modern underpinnings. Coil overs etc...
The 964 has always been a great favourite of mine.A pure looking 911.
I understand they changed the suspension on the 964

Lungauer

293 posts

151 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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My 964 has Bilstein PSS10s, fitted and flat-floored by Center Gravity (RS +5mm), so that rather necessary bit of fettling's already been done. Goes well on 17'' Fuchs!

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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A 964 is too close to your current car. Preferably find a pre impact car.

BertBert

18,953 posts

210 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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I have a 69 T with a slightly pokier motor (E spec on carbs). It is fabulous. Not for sale, but it's utterly brilliant to drive. I can't imagine what people thought about it in 1969!
Bert

ASM993

113 posts

220 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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I have a 67s with a mag case engine in it, very "hot rod" Will probably be up for sale in the new yearsmile


ralfw

17 posts

208 months

Saturday 2nd December 2017
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I too have a 997.1GT3 and wanted an older car alongside. Went for '77 Carrera 3.0, which I love to look at but never crave to drive tbh. The 964 is probably the best pick, having old school feel and a good drive (and with the right exhaust, an awesome sound).

evodarren

Original Poster:

428 posts

133 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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ASM993 said:
I have a 67s with a mag case engine in it, very "hot rod" Will probably be up for sale in the new yearsmile

The yellow one looks lovely. Can you send me more details please. Thanks Darren

ASM993

113 posts

220 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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Hi evodarren, will do.

Gary C

12,313 posts

178 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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I've got a 89 3.2 carrera fpsh with 28k on the clock and have been playing with the idea of swapping it for a 997 gt3. I was amazed at how much the gt3 felt like my carrera (much faster obviously) on the track and an old car is such a responsibility.


Humm what to do.

ASM993

113 posts

220 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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Gary C said:
I've got a 89 3.2 carrera fpsh with 28k on the clock and have been playing with the idea of swapping it for a 997 gt3. I was amazed at how much the gt3 felt like my carrera (much faster obviously) on the track and an old car is such a responsibility.


Humm what to do.
Put it in an auction and get a fortune for it! 28k miles is so low and if it were mine I'd feel that I would never want to add to that! maybe thats just mesmile

hondansx

4,562 posts

224 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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Can I hijack and ask if there are any good books I should be buying to read up on the pre-73 cars?

I trawled the classifieds over the weekend and am left very confused. You can get ones called an S, or a T, or with a 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, some have a long hood, , some have an oil flap, some run on carbs etc. etc. Naturally of course, they are ALL amazing, super rare, and super special for some particular reason...according to the advert of course.

But as a result, they are ALL amazing, and yet spread from about £60k - £235k without looking particularly different.

So, appreciate I am naive here and want to walk in with eyes wide open. I know if a car doesn't have matching numbers (engine and 'box) then it should be worth less. However, some cars are restored and repainted and command huge money, whereas I thought a lack of originality would reduce, not increase!

I personally am not bothered about originality. I want a car that looks good and drives good. But I just want to make sure I don't pay over the odds for, when the dust settles or the financial market collapses, a £100k 911 doesn't become a £10,000 heap of junk overnight.

stevewak

495 posts

129 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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hondansx said:
Can I hijack and ask if there are any good books I should be buying to read up on the pre-73 cars?
Peter Morgan's 'Porsche 911 Collector's Originality Guide' by Motorbooks is a good primer. Just looked on Amazon and knocked out by price: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Collectors-Originality-Gu...

Another (but US) is 'Porsche 911 Red Book 3rd Edition: Specifications, Options, Production Numbers, Data Codes and More' by the late Pat Paternie see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Porsche-911-Red-Book-Spec...

Morgan has done others, I only have the above. Is this the same book? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Porsche-911-1964...

P5BNij

15,770 posts

105 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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stevewak said:
hondansx said:
Can I hijack and ask if there are any good books I should be buying to read up on the pre-73 cars?
Peter Morgan's 'Porsche 911 Collector's Originality Guide' by Motorbooks is a good primer. Just looked on Amazon and knocked out by price: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Collectors-Originality-Gu...

Another (but US) is 'Porsche 911 Red Book 3rd Edition: Specifications, Options, Production Numbers, Data Codes and More' by the late Pat Paternie see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Porsche-911-Red-Book-Spec...

Morgan has done others, I only have the above. Is this the same book? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Porsche-911-1964...
The Brooklands road test books are very uselful too, made up of reprinted contemporary articles explaining what the early cars are actually like to drive and maintain. You can usually find them on Amazon or ebay but the hardest one to find is the 1970-72 book. I've just finished re-reading the 911 1965-69 and 912 books, it's nice to go back and have a recap occasionally.

Steve Rance

5,435 posts

230 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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I think that the air cooled 911 must be one of if not the most tuned and modified car in all of it's guises since it was launched. Your problem - i suspect - is not knowing what version to buy, but rather just getting a good one. Upon reflection, I'd just advise you to look for a good air cooled car. Any air cooled car, but a good one. Unless you are very lucky and find a good air cooled car thats been modded well and in the specification that you require, i'd keep my options open. I chose a 964 only because i knew exactly what I wanted from the my car and the 964 best suited that requirement as a starting point.

These cars are beautiful blank canvesses. My car has been built to be a very sharp road/track car. Some drivers will like it and others will be shocked by it. You may want something a lot softer. It's always better to build something that's exactly what you want. Buying someone else's idea of perfection may well be a compromise for you. As long as you dont want huge power gains, you can create just about anything you want to from a 911 so make sure you know what you want from yours first.

evodarren

Original Poster:

428 posts

133 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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Steve Rance said:
I think that the air cooled 911 must be one of if not the most tuned and modified car in all of it's guises since it was launched. Your problem - i suspect - is not knowing what version to buy, but rather just getting a good one. Upon reflection, I'd just advise you to look for a good air cooled car. Any air cooled car, but a good one. Unless you are very lucky and find a good air cooled car thats been modded well and in the specification that you require, i'd keep my options open. I chose a 964 only because i knew exactly what I wanted from the my car and the 964 best suited that requirement as a starting point.

These cars are beautiful blank canvesses. My car has been built to be a very sharp road/track car. Some drivers will like it and others will be shocked by it. You may want something a lot softer. It's always better to build something that's exactly what you want. Buying someone else's idea of perfection may well be a compromise for you. As long as you dont want huge power gains, you can create just about anything you want to from a 911 so make sure you know what you want from yours first.
Hi Steve
964,s do seem to be the best value for money. Early 911,s are fetching a fortune now.I guess thats why companys like Singer use the 964 platform to creat their backdate cars.