997.1 GT3 change to aircooled
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I’ve had my GT3 for 6 years now. But I have always fancied an aircooled, and the aircooled scene.plan is to move toy France soon , so was thinking a left hand drive simple car I could work on. I know the performance will be greatly different,but hoping the driving feel will be just as good.
Has anyone changed from a newer 911 to an older one. And what are your views.
Just wondered what your thoughts on this one is..over £120,000 of invoiced to complete build
http://www.fast-classics.com/cars/porsche-911-2-7-...
Has anyone changed from a newer 911 to an older one. And what are your views.
Just wondered what your thoughts on this one is..over £120,000 of invoiced to complete build
http://www.fast-classics.com/cars/porsche-911-2-7-...
Edited by evodarren on Thursday 2nd August 22:05
I would always take the keys to an air cooled before a modern. Need to start growing a beard and father xmas hair 
Worth looking here and speaking to Thomas.
http://www.germansportscars.net/en/
I love the 2.7 RS evocation
Worth looking here and speaking to Thomas.
http://www.germansportscars.net/en/
I love the 2.7 RS evocation
Yes, did exactly that...went from 997 GT3 to a Tutthill resto-mod '74 Carrera, nut and bolt restoration, incredible 3.2 engine with Jenvey throttle bodies, brake bias kit, upgraded brakes, Recaro Pole Position interior etc etc.....
The change in driving style was a revelation, had more fun for more of the time at much lower speeds.
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|https://thumbsnap.com/gXTSBONs[/url]
If you fancy a more relaxed experience I'd recommend it. A good air cooled 911 is a thing of joy
Today, it'll cost you circa £100k to do one properly, whether you'll ever recoup that is doubtful though.
The car you linked to is lovely, looks to be well done, not sure if I'd pay this sort of money though, when I bought mine it was about £45k (cost about £75k when it was done).
Have a good look around at what's available, if you fancy getting one built to your spec I'd speak to Tutthill.
Good luck!
The change in driving style was a revelation, had more fun for more of the time at much lower speeds.
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|https://thumbsnap.com/gXTSBONs[/url]If you fancy a more relaxed experience I'd recommend it. A good air cooled 911 is a thing of joy
Today, it'll cost you circa £100k to do one properly, whether you'll ever recoup that is doubtful though.
The car you linked to is lovely, looks to be well done, not sure if I'd pay this sort of money though, when I bought mine it was about £45k (cost about £75k when it was done).
Have a good look around at what's available, if you fancy getting one built to your spec I'd speak to Tutthill.
Good luck!
I have issues with fakes at £105k
back dates and reps can be nice if you really really want one, but they are still fakes. it's a LHD £25k 911t with non matching numbers at the end of the day.
I like the hot rod idea but less happy about fakes. They also do feel slow in todays traffic, imo you need over taking power.
if you want an air cooled car buy a 964 at least it has proper sus and was a full redesign.
If you want a classic buy a real 911E/S or some thing.
£100k on a fake gets you a real 997.2 GT3 !!!
back dates and reps can be nice if you really really want one, but they are still fakes. it's a LHD £25k 911t with non matching numbers at the end of the day.
I like the hot rod idea but less happy about fakes. They also do feel slow in todays traffic, imo you need over taking power.
if you want an air cooled car buy a 964 at least it has proper sus and was a full redesign.
If you want a classic buy a real 911E/S or some thing.
£100k on a fake gets you a real 997.2 GT3 !!!
Porsche911R said:
They also do feel slow in todays traffic, imo you need over taking power.
He's right you know. My 1982 SC with a wheezy power:weight ratio the same as a 996 GT3 struggles to keep up with all those modern Kias and Peugeots.
Porsche911R said:
if you want an air cooled car buy a 964 at least it has proper sus and was a full redesign.
Again, I can't tell you how many times I've fallen off the road with my torsion bar suspension.
that car is simply not worth the money being asked. It doesnt matter how good the bits are (and they sound good), its still a bitsa
I had a 2.7 mfi powered "hotrod" built by Tuthills, similar to this car but not an RS rep, more bespoke, Slate Grey with RS spec rear arches.
It was a lovely thing, based on a 72 E, oil flap etc.
When I unfortunately had to sell it, it was a nightmare ...no-one wanted to know. In the end Tuthills bought it off me as I had a good relationship with them, but it cost me a packet. Usual rule of thumb is anything like this is worth 50-70% of the build cost.
The market for these kind of things is tiny. Most people spending that money on a 70s Porsche want something factory correct, and highly likely have other fast modern cars, so the speed, or lack of, isnt really an issue
saying all of that, for the right price, I'd take the decals and ducktail off, i'd fit some RSR spec frosted wheels, maybe some yellow spots and it would IMHO look a lot cooler
BrewsterBear said:
Porsche911R said:
They also do feel slow in todays traffic, imo you need over taking power.
He's right you know. My 1982 SC with a wheezy power:weight ratio the same as a 996 GT3 struggles to keep up with all those modern Kias and Peugeots.Porsche911R said:
if you want an air cooled car buy a 964 at least it has proper sus and was a full redesign.
Again, I can't tell you how many times I've fallen off the road with my torsion bar suspension.the cars are what they are if you got in right at £15k and spent a few £ on them yep, we are talking £105k fakes !!
but yes I would rather own a 964 or go classic and have a real 911E than a 82 SC but that's just personal opinion :-)
Porsche911R said:
I have issues with fakes at £105k
back dates and reps can be nice if you really really want one, but they are still fakes. it's a LHD £25k 911t with non matching numbers at the end of the day.
I like the hot rod idea but less happy about fakes. They also do feel slow in todays traffic, imo you need over taking power.
if you want an air cooled car buy a 964 at least it has proper sus and was a full redesign.
If you want a classic buy a real 911E/S or some thing.
£100k on a fake gets you a real 997.2 GT3 !!!
You have issues with everything that is not self serving. back dates and reps can be nice if you really really want one, but they are still fakes. it's a LHD £25k 911t with non matching numbers at the end of the day.
I like the hot rod idea but less happy about fakes. They also do feel slow in todays traffic, imo you need over taking power.
if you want an air cooled car buy a 964 at least it has proper sus and was a full redesign.
If you want a classic buy a real 911E/S or some thing.
£100k on a fake gets you a real 997.2 GT3 !!!
The very fact that you feel air cooled cars lack over taking power only serves to highlight your ignorance,1965 2.0L are reaching speeds of circa 147mph at Spa.
Wow! Timely thread!
I was thinking of posting this exact same thead this morning
I've had my 997.1 GT3 for over 5 years now and I am thinking of putting it up for sale to get into an air cooled.
Currently looking at 964's as I want to build something similar to Steve Rance's gorgeous car
I was thinking of posting this exact same thead this morning
I've had my 997.1 GT3 for over 5 years now and I am thinking of putting it up for sale to get into an air cooled.
Currently looking at 964's as I want to build something similar to Steve Rance's gorgeous car
evodarren said:
I’ve had my GT3 for 6 years now. But I have always fancied an aircooled, and the aircooled scene.plan is to move toy France soon , so was thinking a left hand drive simple car I could work on. I know the performance will be greatly different,but hoping the driving feel will be just as good.
Has anyone changed from a newer 911 to an older one. And what are your views.
You looking specifically for an early car or considering all air cooled variants ? There's a nice non-sunroof LHD 993 in the PH classifieds - stick some decent suspension on it and maybe a 3.8 rebuild (or stock rebuilt) and it would make a nice car.Has anyone changed from a newer 911 to an older one. And what are your views.
squirdan said:
When I unfortunately had to sell it, it was a nightmare ...no-one wanted to know. In the end Tuthills bought it off me as I had a good relationship with them, but it cost me a packet. Usual rule of thumb is anything like this is worth 50-70% of the build cost.
Could it be because it was RHD ? I wonder if the LHD market would be a bit more forgiving.BrewsterBear said:
He's right you know. My 1982 SC with a wheezy power:weight ratio the same as a 996 GT3 struggles to keep up with all those modern Kias and Peugeots.
Nice numbers, what is the spec of the engine ?CrashBang said:
You have issues with everything that is not self serving.
The very fact that you feel air cooled cars lack over taking power only serves to highlight your ignorance,1965 2.0L are reaching speeds of circa 147mph at Spa.
A: I own none so how is it self serving !!! I just said with my money a 964 or a 911E would do me if I wanted that sort of thing ie. usable air cooler or a nice classic those 2 would be my top picks.The very fact that you feel air cooled cars lack over taking power only serves to highlight your ignorance,1965 2.0L are reaching speeds of circa 147mph at Spa.
B: Shock ! highy modded £250k custom built race cars are quite fast (still only 220bhp/t mind you) so a bit short over even a Cayman R as an example :-)
So either you are being a bit ignorant or stupid yourself or you just want to pick a fight thinking I don't know anything ?
v8ksn said:
Wow! Timely thread!
I was thinking of posting this exact same thead this morning
I've had my 997.1 GT3 for over 5 years now and I am thinking of putting it up for sale to get into an air cooled.
Currently looking at 964's as I want to build something similar to Steve Rance's gorgeous car
Some people might say were are mad. Out right performance is not top oat the list at the moment. I quite fancy a Targa to hoon around France and Spain. when I move.I was thinking of posting this exact same thead this morning
I've had my 997.1 GT3 for over 5 years now and I am thinking of putting it up for sale to get into an air cooled.
Currently looking at 964's as I want to build something similar to Steve Rance's gorgeous car
v8ksn said:
Wow! Timely thread!
I was thinking of posting this exact same thead this morning
I've had my 997.1 GT3 for over 5 years now and I am thinking of putting it up for sale to get into an air cooled.
Currently looking at 964's as I want to build something similar to Steve Rance's gorgeous car
great project if a keeper :-) I costed it, and it's way out of my league to do it right now, as I would have to pay for people to do it rather than self build.I was thinking of posting this exact same thead this morning
I've had my 997.1 GT3 for over 5 years now and I am thinking of putting it up for sale to get into an air cooled.
Currently looking at 964's as I want to build something similar to Steve Rance's gorgeous car
And as others have said, you cannot get out of non oem cars very easy :-(
better off offering on this imo, if it checks out of course but it sounds the part. As the seller stated "Impossible to replicate for our asking."
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
evodarren said:
Some people might say were are mad. Out right performance is not top oat the list at the moment. I quite fancy a Targa to hoon around France and Spain. when I move.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my GT3. I love the way it feels, I love how it drives, I love the gearchange and how it piles on revs and speed and the feedback I get....... but I am nearing middle age and the GT3 makes me behave like a hooligan! I have no willpower and I will get myself into trouble if i'm not careful 
evodarren said:
Outright performance is not top of the list at the moment.
Good luck explaining that to 911R ....evodarren said:
I quite fancy a Targa to hoon around France and Spain. when I move.
Steady on dear fellow, there are limits, and I suspect you've just broached them with that comment 
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