Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

[julian987R]

GTRene said:

I really like their rear deck 'spoiler' like a little nice stylish ducktale-ish just a bit, do not like the big ducktails anymore.

yep that is a really well considered design there on that spoiler. They sure know how to style these conversions don't they.

[Chemical Ali]

julian987R said:

yep that is a really well considered design there on that spoiler. They sure know how to style these conversions don't they.

Yes they do!

[v8ksn]

How's about this one then? £200k!!!!

https://www.911rennsport.co.uk/for-sale/porsche-rs...

[julian987R]

v8ksn said:

How's about this one then? £200k!!!!

https://www.911rennsport.co.uk/for-sale/porsche-rs...

Bag of spanner’s. Did they take one look at the exhaust and decide “I’m done with this, that’ll do”

[Slippydiff]

julian987R said:

Bag of spanner’s. Did they take one look at the exhaust and decide “I’m done with this, that’ll do”

Get to the point man !!

I hardly think some surface corrosion on a period part constitutes it being "a bag of spanners" as you so eloquently put it. But each to their own.
Though I have to say that compared with some the abominations you've linked to, suggesting they're wonderful, over the past few months on this very thread, I'd say it's a decent car, that's not to say I'd part with over £200K for the privilege of owning it.

[julian987R]

Slippydiff said:

julian987R said:

Bag of spanner’s. Did they take one look at the exhaust and decide “I’m done with this, that’ll do”

Get to the point man !!

I hardly think some surface corrosion on a period part constitutes it being "a bag of spanners" as you so eloquently put it. But each to their own.
Though I have to say that compared with some the abominations you've linked to, suggesting they're wonderful, over the past few months on this very thread, I'd say it's a decent car, that's not to say I'd part with over £200K for the privilege of owning it.

I am sure it is a stellar car and driving experience but you'd like to think for a whopping £200K they would at least make the exhaust not look corroded.

[thegreenhell]

I like the overall look of this one, and it has some nice details, but not sure about all the 'Paul Stephens' references all over it. Even Singer aren't that narcissistic, although I've read that Porsche may have had a quiet word with them about their branding.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...

[GT3Manthey]

thegreenhell said:

I like the overall look of this one, and it has some nice details, but not sure about all the 'Paul Stephens' references all over it. Even Singer aren't that narcissistic, although I've read that Porsche may have had a quiet word with them about their branding.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...

It’ll be interesting to see what that sells for given the original price I’m sure was circa £225k

[v8ksn]

GT3Manthey said:

It’ll be interesting to see what that sells for given the original price I’m sure was circa £225k

I can't see it going for over 2 but seen stranger things happen.

[GT3Manthey]

v8ksn said:

I can't see it going for over 2 but seen stranger things happen.

For 200k I buy a 997.2 RS instead but I guess that’s not really what it’s about

[Filibuster]

thegreenhell said:

I like the overall look of this one, and it has some nice details, but not sure about all the 'Paul Stephens' references all over it. Even Singer aren't that narcissistic, although I've read that Porsche may have had a quiet word with them about their branding.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...

That looks very nice indeed! Love those Magnus Walker wheels, they are stunning!
Not too keen on the seats, but that is a small thing. Same goes for the £50 Continental DAB Radio with a cheap Porsche sticker on it, again nothing major but these small things are what differentiates a Singer from other resto mods.

ETA
Just watched the video and the presenter claims "the old Blaupunkt unit has been replaced with a OEM Porsche head unit"

Edited by Filibuster on Wednesday 1st June 14:05

[julian987R]

thegreenhell said:

I like the overall look of this one, and it has some nice details, but not sure about all the 'Paul Stephens' references all over it. Even Singer aren't that narcissistic, although I've read that Porsche may have had a quiet word with them about their branding.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...

There is no way that number plate size is legal surely?

[Chemical Ali]

Anything over 150k is strong for this car, unless the Paul Stephens name means that much.

Does it?

[julian987R]

Filibuster said:

thegreenhell said:

I like the overall look of this one, and it has some nice details, but not sure about all the 'Paul Stephens' references all over it. Even Singer aren't that narcissistic, although I've read that Porsche may have had a quiet word with them about their branding.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...

That looks very nice indeed! Love those Magnus Walker wheels, they are stunning!

Edited by Filibuster on Wednesday 1st June 14:05

Those are no longer available but this company is remanufacturing them

https://clubautosport.co.uk/product/porsche-magnus...

[freedman]

Chemical Ali said:

Anything over 150k is strong for this car, unless the Paul Stephens name means that much.

Does it?

No

[Koln-RS]

freedman said:

Chemical Ali said:

Anything over 150k is strong for this car, unless the Paul Stephens name means that much.
Does it?

No

That’s true. And, IMO, most of these resto-mods are a bag of bits, and crazy money compared with what similar money can buy - newer, original, unmolested….

[GT3Manthey]

freedman said:

No

I agree .

At £225/240 new it’s a car you need to keep forever and write off its value if you can afford to .

It’s possible the car will sell for 100k less than it’s original purchase price which probably tells you the mark up from new in these builds

[Chemical Ali]

The cost of these, as one I am having done nears completion is roughly as follows:

Donor 35k

Strip car and catalogue 5k

weld, strip new body panels etc 20k

paint job 6k

engine and gearbox rebuilt with race spec pistons, new seals etc 20k

suspension powder coated, dampers and bushes redone 5k

Brakes refurbed, new lines and upgraded 5k

New wheels 4k

interior 10k

rebuild 5k

Total 115k

minus sold parts circa 10k for wheels, windows etc. total 105k


So the prices of good example is 100k+. The problem I have found looking at examples for reference for mine is people don't do them right. You see most with fibreglass bodypanels, virtually non touched engines, the undercar not properly sealed, electronics not restored or upgraded, cheap interiors thrown back in at the end f the build as the customer run out of money (thats the most obvious), poorly catalogued build and so on.

For me if I was buying I would want 300+ photos, full list of all works, recognised specialist engine and bodybuilder, preferably a race setup garage, whom I can contact. Moreover I would want a clear idea of what the car was for - touring, hill climb, looks? So many are essentially 3 or 3.2s with a respray and rs or rsr bodypanels in fibreglass stuck on who then want 100k + for a fibreglass 3.0 classic that has 150k miles on the clock. No wonder they dont sell.

I ask the question does the name Paul Stephens mean much? Or Rennsport? To me, if I was buying one yes it would. 200k? maybe not, but at least it would have been done properly. In my view anyway.

[Chemical Ali]

GT3Manthey said:

I agree .

At £225/240 new it’s a car you need to keep forever and write off its value if you can afford to .

It’s possible the car will sell for 100k less than it’s original purchase price which probably tells you the mark up from new in these builds

And to answer this, no it doesnt cost over 200k. No way near. At this you are paying for the garage owners big office, art collection, holiday etc - not a car.

Is it worth this? Thats up to the buyer.

[MrVert]

Chemical Ali said:

The cost of these, as one I am having done nears completion is roughly as follows:

Donor 35k

Strip car and catalogue 5k

weld, strip new body panels etc 20k

paint job 6k

engine and gearbox rebuilt with race spec pistons, new seals etc 20k

suspension powder coated, dampers and bushes redone 5k

Brakes refurbed, new lines and upgraded 5k

New wheels 4k

interior 10k

rebuild 5k

Total 115k

minus sold parts circa 10k for wheels, windows etc. total 105k


So the prices of good example is 100k+. The problem I have found looking at examples for reference for mine is people don't do them right. You see most with fibreglass bodypanels, virtually non touched engines, the undercar not properly sealed, electronics not restored or upgraded, cheap interiors thrown back in at the end f the build as the customer run out of money (thats the most obvious), poorly catalogued build and so on.

For me if I was buying I would want 300+ photos, full list of all works, recognised specialist engine and bodybuilder, preferably a race setup garage, whom I can contact. Moreover I would want a clear idea of what the car was for - touring, hill climb, looks? So many are essentially 3 or 3.2s with a respray and rs or rsr bodypanels in fibreglass stuck on who then want 100k + for a fibreglass 3.0 classic that has 150k miles on the clock. No wonder they dont sell.

I ask the question does the name Paul Stephens mean much? Or Rennsport? To me, if I was buying one yes it would. 200k? maybe not, but at least it would have been done properly. In my view anyway.

One of the most relevant posts on this topic.