finally have myself a 993!

[Koln-RS]

Gary C said:

The silver wheels look much better

Agree - another vote for originality.
And, please, never be tempted to put stripes on it.
Not normally a fan of black, but it looks near perfect.

[Milner993]

Looks better on the standard silver wheels

[stichill99]

If you hate washing cars the 993 is perfect. I swear when washing my defender with all the brackets etc to catch a sponge. My 993 feels like the simplest car on earth to wash.. Sponge just glides and it is so small it takes no time at all......and the silver wheels look much better!

[PGNSagaris]

jason61c said:

Decided to swap the wheels over to the factory hollow spokes. Can't decide which I prefer more.

Edited by jason61c on Sunday 22 May 09:23

Stunning on those wheels. What a handsome car

[jason61c]

GTRene said:

OT, nice one, How does such 993 4 drives/feel, I mean sporty and steering stuff, compared to say a carrera 4 964 ,
which I found a bit 'dull' compared to the carrera 2 which I then bought at the time.

also, does a 993 4S (wider version) drives the same-ish as a 993 4 ?

Sorry, missed this.

The 993 c4 feels rear drive, it’s 4wd system is much lighter than a 964’s. The only time I’ve felt the front driving is pulling out of a gravel road onto tarmac in an enthusiastic fashion. It feels rear drive and to me, feels the same as the c2 versions I looked at.

[GTRene]

jason61c said:

GTRene said:

OT, nice one, How does such 993 4 drives/feel, I mean sporty and steering stuff, compared to say a carrera 4 964 ,
which I found a bit 'dull' compared to the carrera 2 which I then bought at the time.

also, does a 993 4S (wider version) drives the same-ish as a 993 4 ?

Sorry, missed this.

The 993 c4 feels rear drive, it’s 4wd system is much lighter than a 964’s. The only time I’ve felt the front driving is pulling out of a gravel road onto tarmac in an enthusiastic fashion. It feels rear drive and to me, feels the same as the c2 versions I looked at.

Cool, thanks, gives a bit hope for such car in the base.

[wong]

jason61c said:

GTRene said:

OT, nice one, How does such 993 4 drives/feel, I mean sporty and steering stuff, compared to say a carrera 4 964 ,
which I found a bit 'dull' compared to the carrera 2 which I then bought at the time.

also, does a 993 4S (wider version) drives the same-ish as a 993 4 ?

Sorry, missed this.

The 993 c4 feels rear drive, it’s 4wd system is much lighter than a 964’s. The only time I’ve felt the front driving is pulling out of a gravel road onto tarmac in an enthusiastic fashion. It feels rear drive and to me, feels the same as the c2 versions I looked at.

It's ~ 95% rear until it detects slippage, then pumps more to the front.
Or something like that.

[GTRene]

that sounds good, I hate it when the front wheels trying to seek all the holes in the road or all the deeper parts, I like 'rest' in the steering wheel.

so it sounds like its not a big disadvantage (sporty feel), when you buy say a nice 4wd 993 over a mostly more expensive 2wd version.

[harrykul]

The front wheels barely kick in even when stuck in gravel, much to my surprise. The system isn't particularly good as it needs a significant amount of wheelspin to activate the front wheels. Its basically rear wheel drive- at no point in normal or fast driving will the fronts kick in.

[Gary C]

harrykul said:

The front wheels barely kick in even when stuck in gravel, much to my surprise. The system isn't particularly good as it needs a significant amount of wheelspin to activate the front wheels. Its basically rear wheel drive- at no point in normal or fast driving will the fronts kick in.

Sounds as if the viscous coupling is a bit loose ?

[GTRene]

Gary C said:

harrykul said:

The front wheels barely kick in even when stuck in gravel, much to my surprise. The system isn't particularly good as it needs a significant amount of wheelspin to activate the front wheels. Its basically rear wheel drive- at no point in normal or fast driving will the fronts kick in.

Sounds as if the viscous coupling is a bit loose ?

hm, good question, looked some up and seems 993 C4 takes about such, could be a small or a bigger thing, here someone provides how to test things a bit :-)

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/255996-c4-al...

[GTRene]

or maybe like with a autobox, clean/spool the coupling and refresh the fluid?

and indeed, I also read about the 993 C4 this, so up to 40% to the front possible, so its indeed rear wheel drive first, thats good.

said:

Instead of a mechanical system that was heavy and expensive to fix, the 993 used a simpler viscous fluid coupling to transmit power to all four wheels. When the front wheels started to slip, the fluid in the coupling would thicken and send up to 40% of power to the front. The new AWD system was also notable in its function to improve handling rather than to merely provide more grip.

[wong]

Have you got a spare DME relay in the glovebox? They are a known weak spot. I had my C4S for 6 years and replaced it once.

[Gary C]

GTRene said:

or maybe like with a autobox, clean/spool the coupling and refresh the fluid?

and indeed, I also read about the 993 C4 this, so up to 40% to the front possible, so its indeed rear wheel drive first, thats good.

said:

Instead of a mechanical system that was heavy and expensive to fix, the 993 used a simpler viscous fluid coupling to transmit power to all four wheels. When the front wheels started to slip, the fluid in the coupling would thicken and send up to 40% of power to the front. The new AWD system was also notable in its function to improve handling rather than to merely provide more grip.

Coupling is sealed as far as I am aware. If the fluid is gone and its not transferring torque effectively, its time for a replacement.


Must get a DME relay myself. Mine is 33 years old !

[wong]

Gary C said:

Coupling is sealed as far as I am aware. If the fluid is gone and its not transferring torque effectively, its time for a replacement.


Must get a DME relay myself. Mine is 33 years old !

When I was researching buying my car ~ 15 years ago, several people mentioned getting a spare DME relay, so I did and popped it in the glovebox. Sure enough, about 4-5 years later it started spluttering after a cold start. Forgot about the spare relay until I had nursed it home after 20 nervous miles which involved it cutting out on the motorway several times. Managed to restart whilst coasting after a few seconds, but a bit scary. Remembered the relay when I got home. Duly replaced and everything was OK again.

[andylaight]

any recommendation for a PPI for Surrey area please? Seen a car that looks goood but needs someone better to look at it.
tia

[Pickled Piper]

wong said:

Gary C said:

Coupling is sealed as far as I am aware. If the fluid is gone and its not transferring torque effectively, its time for a replacement.


Must get a DME relay myself. Mine is 33 years old !

When I was researching buying my car ~ 15 years ago, several people mentioned getting a spare DME relay, so I did and popped it in the glovebox. Sure enough, about 4-5 years later it started spluttering after a cold start. Forgot about the spare relay until I had nursed it home after 20 nervous miles which involved it cutting out on the motorway several times. Managed to restart whilst coasting after a few seconds, but a bit scary. Remembered the relay when I got home. Duly replaced and everything was OK again.

Exactly as above. I bought my car about 17 years ago. I bought a new relay, fitted it and kept the original as a spare. 15 years later my car conked out on a busy roundabout. After a few minutes of head scratching and a call to recovery I remembered the spare relay. Popped it in, the car fired up immediately and I was away.

pp

[SnowySpeeder]

andylaight said:

any recommendation for a PPI for Surrey area please? Seen a car that looks goood but needs someone better to look at it.
tia

Try GT One in Chertsey, or Charles Ivey in Surbiton

[jason61c]

So....... I'm thinking of selling. A friend is selling is na2 NSX that I've wanted for years. Am I mad?

[stichill99]

Have you not gelled with the 993? It took me quite a while to get what they were all about to be honest but all I will say is don't do anything rash that you will regret. They do get under your skin!