Is the 355 the best sounding Ferrari - Just listen to this
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Valve count makes no difference IMO, otherwise 2v per cyl engines would sound different to 4v, and the Audi 5v per cylinders would sound different to most other things, but none do.
Cam profile makes a discernable difference, but the 355's sound is esentially due to the exhaust design.
Cam profile makes a discernable difference, but the 355's sound is esentially due to the exhaust design.
mwstewart said:
Valve count makes no difference IMO, otherwise 2v per cyl engines would sound different to 4v, and the Audi 5v per cylinders would sound different to most other things, but none do.
Cam profile makes a discernable difference, but the 355's sound is esentially due to the exhaust design.
With respect, you're wrong sir. Even Google will show you that...Cam profile makes a discernable difference, but the 355's sound is esentially due to the exhaust design.
mwstewart said:
Murph7355 said:
Crank config is why it shrieks rather than rumbles..
Great sounding, looking and driving cars. When I see one on the road I miss mine, even over 8yrs on.
The 360 has a cross plane crank, and and also based on the 355 engine. It doesn't shriek Great sounding, looking and driving cars. When I see one on the road I miss mine, even over 8yrs on.
t on these forums. 308/348/355/369/430/488... All flat plane cranks. 100% signature Ferrari.
And trust me, you can make a 360 shriek like a motherf
ker.brogenville said:
You really do hear some st on these forums.
308/348/355/369/430/488... All flat plane cranks. 100% signature Ferrari.
And trust me, you can make a 360 shriek like a motherfker.
t on these forums. 308/348/355/369/430/488... All flat plane cranks. 100% signature Ferrari.
And trust me, you can make a 360 shriek like a motherf
ker.
Short but sweet: Capristo I think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_MW8Vn1ni4
The F430, 458, California, Maserati Coupe, Quattroporte, GranTurismo and GranCrabrio all have a flat plane crankshaft.
The 360 was the last of the old generation V8 based on the 308 engine from the mid 1970s, it was also the last one to use 5 valves per cylinder. By the time the 360 was getting out of production, the engine has been out for more than 30 years.
The F430 is the first car using the new generation V8 engine. The engine was first used in the Maserati 3200GT to replace the aged and unreliable V6TT with the new Ferrari 4.2 V8, this car changed name to Maserati Coupe. This same engine has been evolved since 2003, and it is available in 4.3, 4.5 and 4.7, with or without DFI. The latest evolution is in the GrandSport Stradale and the most powerful version in the 458 Italia.
'copied and pasted'
The 360 was the last of the old generation V8 based on the 308 engine from the mid 1970s, it was also the last one to use 5 valves per cylinder. By the time the 360 was getting out of production, the engine has been out for more than 30 years.
The F430 is the first car using the new generation V8 engine. The engine was first used in the Maserati 3200GT to replace the aged and unreliable V6TT with the new Ferrari 4.2 V8, this car changed name to Maserati Coupe. This same engine has been evolved since 2003, and it is available in 4.3, 4.5 and 4.7, with or without DFI. The latest evolution is in the GrandSport Stradale and the most powerful version in the 458 Italia.
'copied and pasted'
fullleather said:
The F430, 458, California, Maserati Coupe, Quattroporte, GranTurismo and GranCrabrio all have a flat plane crankshaft.
The 360 was the last of the old generation V8 based on the 308 engine from the mid 1970s, it was also the last one to use 5 valves per cylinder. By the time the 360 was getting out of production, the engine has been out for more than 30 years.
The F430 is the first car using the new generation V8 engine. The engine was first used in the Maserati 3200GT to replace the aged and unreliable V6TT with the new Ferrari 4.2 V8, this car changed name to Maserati Coupe. This same engine has been evolved since 2003, and it is available in 4.3, 4.5 and 4.7, with or without DFI. The latest evolution is in the GrandSport Stradale and the most powerful version in the 458 Italia.
'copied and pasted'
Sigh... Also (partially at least) inaccurate. The masers were all given cross plane cranks.The 360 was the last of the old generation V8 based on the 308 engine from the mid 1970s, it was also the last one to use 5 valves per cylinder. By the time the 360 was getting out of production, the engine has been out for more than 30 years.
The F430 is the first car using the new generation V8 engine. The engine was first used in the Maserati 3200GT to replace the aged and unreliable V6TT with the new Ferrari 4.2 V8, this car changed name to Maserati Coupe. This same engine has been evolved since 2003, and it is available in 4.3, 4.5 and 4.7, with or without DFI. The latest evolution is in the GrandSport Stradale and the most powerful version in the 458 Italia.
'copied and pasted'
brogenville said:
You really do hear some st on these forums.
308/348/355/369/430/488... All flat plane cranks. 100% signature Ferrari.
And trust me, you can make a 360 shriek like a motherfker.
Flat plane - typo! And yes, exactly. That's my point - it's the exhaust, not the valve count. You can do the same to an F430, and a 458.t on these forums. 308/348/355/369/430/488... All flat plane cranks. 100% signature Ferrari.
And trust me, you can make a 360 shriek like a motherf
ker.mwstewart said:
brogenville said:
You really do hear some st on these forums.
308/348/355/369/430/488... All flat plane cranks. 100% signature Ferrari.
And trust me, you can make a 360 shriek like a motherfker.
Flat plane - typo! And yes, exactly. That's my point - it's the exhaust, not the valve count. You can do the same to an F430, and a 458.t on these forums. 308/348/355/369/430/488... All flat plane cranks. 100% signature Ferrari.
And trust me, you can make a 360 shriek like a motherf
ker.The 355 and the 360 V8 are unique in their sound character and there is a simple reason for this and it lies in the basic engine valve architecture... All the exhausts do is alter the sound given to them from the outlet ports. The 348 was very close to the engine size and configuration of the 355 but you could never get a 348 to sound like a 355 (I had 2 348's and 1 355 and played with many exhaust configurations).
Slickhillsy said:
No, you cant! Sure you can get more of an F1 pitch if you play with the exhaust (believe me I've researched it - give me a 360 CS sound in my Scud and I'd be a happy man, but you cant).
The 355 and the 360 V8 are unique in their sound character and there is a simple reason for this and it lies in the basic engine valve architecture... All the exhausts do is alter the sound given to them from the outlet ports. The 348 was very close to the engine size and configuration of the 355 but you could never get a 348 to sound like a 355 (I had 2 348's and 1 355 and played with many exhaust configurations).
The reason you cannot make your Scud anywhere close to the 360 CS is because of the exhaust routing from the cats: with the valves open the 16M/Scud exits straight through the back bumper leaving a pretty much direct route from collector to tailpipe. It is pretty optimal for flow given packaging constraints, but there is no mixing between banks and it produces a very harsh sound. In contrast the 360CS exhaust has a crossover (but no flow mixing) between left and right sides. That crossover and resulting bends really take out the harshness of the Scud type system and is why the F430 sounds a lot better. Have you thought about one of the X-pipe systems that are available? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHq9Xj-b1Q0 Personally I don't think there's much between it and a 355. The Kline system is more civilised if you want it. The 355 and the 360 V8 are unique in their sound character and there is a simple reason for this and it lies in the basic engine valve architecture... All the exhausts do is alter the sound given to them from the outlet ports. The 348 was very close to the engine size and configuration of the 355 but you could never get a 348 to sound like a 355 (I had 2 348's and 1 355 and played with many exhaust configurations).
The crucial difference between the 348/360/F430/458 and the 355 is the lack of X/H-pipe design in the exhaust. The 355 also has ITBs whereas the 348 does not, so the 348 is never going to sound identical to the 355because of that, but there's no reason why you can't get it pretty damn close (and people do).
In stock form of course the other difference is the cat bypass valve on the 355.
Don't the 360 CS (inc 360 fitted with racing exhaust) and standard 430 share the same or a very similar rear silencer?
On both the back box is pretty much bypassed when the valves open leaving the route from the cats open to the inboard rear pipes.
If so the difference in sound between the two has to be related to the engine config, valve timing and upstream exhaust design.
BTW The 430 barks a bit too much for me......I much prefer the V8 Dino engined cars in terms of sound.
On both the back box is pretty much bypassed when the valves open leaving the route from the cats open to the inboard rear pipes.
If so the difference in sound between the two has to be related to the engine config, valve timing and upstream exhaust design.
BTW The 430 barks a bit too much for me......I much prefer the V8 Dino engined cars in terms of sound.
mike01606 said:
Don't the 360 CS (inc 360 fitted with racing exhaust) and standard 430 share the same or a very similar rear silencer?
On both the back box is pretty much bypassed when the valves open leaving the route from the cats open to the inboard rear pipes.
If so the difference in sound between the two has to be related to the engine config, valve timing and upstream exhaust design.
BTW The 430 barks a bit too much for me......I much prefer the V8 Dino engined cars in terms of sound.
Yes, I think it's near enough the same thing. Obviously there are bore/stroke differences, cam specs, inlet design etc (variator), so there will be some difference in sound, especially at anything other than part throttle. Both with an X-pipe will sound quite similar at full chat:On both the back box is pretty much bypassed when the valves open leaving the route from the cats open to the inboard rear pipes.
If so the difference in sound between the two has to be related to the engine config, valve timing and upstream exhaust design.
BTW The 430 barks a bit too much for me......I much prefer the V8 Dino engined cars in terms of sound.
360CS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhSFGZXCh0U
F430: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0ewxqZIOzw
I not hugely in love with the standard F430 sound either. It's not sweet enough.
sounds too high pitched for a Capristo. mine had a tubi and sounded identical, Manic!!
V8FGO said:
mwstewart said:
F430: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0ewxqZIOzw
I not hugely in love with the standard F430 sound either. It's not sweet enough.
After starting this thread I have been following it with much interest - I notice mwstewart's comment above about the sound not being sweet enough on an F430 and I'm kind of with him on that..... I just want to ask him, have you any plans to change the sound of your F430 by way of a different exhaust? I not hugely in love with the standard F430 sound either. It's not sweet enough.
I have noticed various youtube links that a few of you have posted, one in particular that mwstewart has posted above, showing an F430 with a high pitched, F1 type sound - I would be quite happy to change my exhaust if this sound was achievable....... Has anyone already done this and if so how exactly and with what exhaust?
There seems to be very mixed opinions as to whether or not this is possible and what makes the change - Would be keen to hear if anyone knows for sure?
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How does it work? Do you have to login?I was at Donington in August for a no sound limit day in my 355 with a Capristo, so although I'm biased, at the end of the day someone did seek me out to tell me he thought it was the best car sound ever. There was a 360CS that sounded really good too and a 458 Challenge (not road legal), which sounded much smoother than the GT2/3s (also not road legal).
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