430 or 458???

[markiii]

sealtt said:

That was my opinion too. Go for it!

i concur, I was not expecting to like it, actually I loved it, just as well my budget doesn't go high enough or I'd have bought it on the spot

[PrancingHorses]

I tried a F430 and then a 458 on the same day one after the other - I bought the 458.

The 458 felt like it was a few gens ahead of the 430 and not just the next model up. I have also driven a 488 and it's strange but apart from feeling faster there was nothing that made the 488 feel newer over my 458 IMHO.

I can't see the 458s dropping anytime in the near future so rest assured you will hardly lose much on one

[dalenorth]

By the way I'm not adverse to buying a private 458 so if any members want out of one then PM me?

[MrVert]

I've sent you a pm Dale.

[mickyblue]

I don't think that this is as clear-cut as it may seem. A couple of months ago I swapped my F430 (F1 - not a Scud) for a 488 GTB. I felt that the F430 was feeling a little dated, and the reviews of the 488 were impressive.

A few weeks in, and I'm a little torn. The 488 is clearly a vastly more technically impressive car - much faster, great chassis - the 10 years between the cars are very apparent. However, for the 'sunny Sunday' blast around the roads, I'm not sure I get any more out of the 488 than I did out of the F430. If anything, I'm so far away the limits of the 488 that I'm not sure that I can really drive it in it's sweet-spot. I think I found the F430 a more enjoyable car to 'push' on the road - since I could explore the capabilities and range of the chassis and drive-train more.

There are obvious caveats - I haven't driven the 488 on the track yet, and no doubt this is where it will excel. Also, I'm still learning to get to know the 488 - which requires respect and will take time (in order to keep it safely between the hedges).

Do I regret buying the 488? No - I don't think so. Given that it cost more than twice the price of the F430, do I get twice the enjoyment? Definitely not - at least not yet. Don't rule-out the F430 if you're after a 'sunny Sunday' car - technological progress isn't everything.

Micky

[sone]

I think if I were going a little bit retro I'd rather have the 360. Ok dynamically it's not as good as the 430 but for me it's a better looking car.

[Durzel]

mickyblue said:

I don't think that this is as clear-cut as it may seem. A couple of months ago I swapped my F430 (F1 - not a Scud) for a 488 GTB. I felt that the F430 was feeling a little dated, and the reviews of the 488 were impressive.

A few weeks in, and I'm a little torn. The 488 is clearly a vastly more technically impressive car - much faster, great chassis - the 10 years between the cars are very apparent. However, for the 'sunny Sunday' blast around the roads, I'm not sure I get any more out of the 488 than I did out of the F430. If anything, I'm so far away the limits of the 488 that I'm not sure that I can really drive it in it's sweet-spot. I think I found the F430 a more enjoyable car to 'push' on the road - since I could explore the capabilities and range of the chassis and drive-train more.

There are obvious caveats - I haven't driven the 488 on the track yet, and no doubt this is where it will excel. Also, I'm still learning to get to know the 488 - which requires respect and will take time (in order to keep it safely between the hedges).

Do I regret buying the 488? No - I don't think so. Given that it cost more than twice the price of the F430, do I get twice the enjoyment? Definitely not - at least not yet. Don't rule-out the F430 if you're after a 'sunny Sunday' car - technological progress isn't everything.

Micky

Did you test drive any 458s or did you rule them out for whatever reason?

Reason I ask is that a lot of what you've written there is what I can imagine someone writing if they skipped the 458 entirely.

[Lofty999]

mickyblue said:

I don't think that this is as clear-cut as it may seem. A couple of months ago I swapped my F430 (F1 - not a Scud) for a 488 GTB. I felt that the F430 was feeling a little dated, and the reviews of the 488 were impressive.

A few weeks in, and I'm a little torn. The 488 is clearly a vastly more technically impressive car - much faster, great chassis - the 10 years between the cars are very apparent. However, for the 'sunny Sunday' blast around the roads, I'm not sure I get any more out of the 488 than I did out of the F430. If anything, I'm so far away the limits of the 488 that I'm not sure that I can really drive it in it's sweet-spot. I think I found the F430 a more enjoyable car to 'push' on the road - since I could explore the capabilities and range of the chassis and drive-train more.

There are obvious caveats - I haven't driven the 488 on the track yet, and no doubt this is where it will excel. Also, I'm still learning to get to know the 488 - which requires respect and will take time (in order to keep it safely between the hedges).

Do I regret buying the 488? No - I don't think so. Given that it cost more than twice the price of the F430, do I get twice the enjoyment? Definitely not - at least not yet. Don't rule-out the F430 if you're after a 'sunny Sunday' car - technological progress isn't everything.

Micky

Well said ,that's exactly the point that I found when I bought my f430 a year ago.I run it alongside a noble m12.The Ferrari is obviously the more advanced car,but,if I want to come home grinning I will take the noble just for its rawness.The Ferrari is too clinical in comparison and this is presumably is the point you are making between the 430 and 488.

[mickyblue]

Durzel said:

Did you test drive any 458s or did you rule them out for whatever reason?

Reason I ask is that a lot of what you've written there is what I can imagine someone writing if they skipped the 458 entirely.

I drove a couple - no real reason for skipping the 458 other than that circumstances meant that I could stretch to a 488. Also, there are quite a few 458s in the local area - but hardly any 488s.

From a couple of brief test-drives, the 458 seemed much closer to the 488 than to the F430 - so I'd expect that many of the same arguments apply.

One other point - I've done a couple of longish trips in the 488 (as I did in the F430) - and when it comes to pretending to be GT car, it does a much better job. Cruising on the motorway for hours-on-end is bliss compared with the F430 - although admittedly that goes against the reason for buying such cars. I'm looking forward to the trip from 'up north' to Le Mans 24h and back!

Micky

[coops18]

mickyblue said:

I don't think that this is as clear-cut as it may seem. A couple of months ago I swapped my F430 (F1 - not a Scud) for a 488 GTB. I felt that the F430 was feeling a little dated, and the reviews of the 488 were impressive.

A few weeks in, and I'm a little torn. The 488 is clearly a vastly more technically impressive car - much faster, great chassis - the 10 years between the cars are very apparent. However, for the 'sunny Sunday' blast around the roads, I'm not sure I get any more out of the 488 than I did out of the F430. If anything, I'm so far away the limits of the 488 that I'm not sure that I can really drive it in it's sweet-spot. I think I found the F430 a more enjoyable car to 'push' on the road - since I could explore the capabilities and range of the chassis and drive-train more.

There are obvious caveats - I haven't driven the 488 on the track yet, and no doubt this is where it will excel. Also, I'm still learning to get to know the 488 - which requires respect and will take time (in order to keep it safely between the hedges).

Do I regret buying the 488? No - I don't think so. Given that it cost more than twice the price of the F430, do I get twice the enjoyment? Definitely not - at least not yet. Don't rule-out the F430 if you're after a 'sunny Sunday' car - technological progress isn't everything.

Micky

Agree and I think cars are just getting too good now. I have a 991GT3, 991GT3RS and as lovely as these are the F430 spider is just a pleasant experience and a massive maker of smiles. After all this is what its all about......

[Emonda03]

from my own perspective, had 2 x 430's in the past, 3 x 458 Italia's & a 458 spider along the way, went with a new 488 highly spec'd last year. chop & changed cars a bit over the last few years I suppose. Recently went with a 991 GT3RS, chopped it in for a 458 Speciale. My experience is the 458s is the best car I have owned, I have really fallen for it. The 458 is a great car no doubt, and loved the 'rawness' of the GT3RS...when I came across the 458s it just is a perfect blend for me of the 458 & the gt3, has that lovely fcar feel/sound, but just that 20% or so rawer, that makes it feel more 'alive'..its like Mr GT3 mated with Mrs Italia and produced a speciale love child!!, pop & fizz, feel & drive, its alive! I also agree with the comments on the 488 almost being a bit too fast for the road, it always felt like it was running away a bit if you like, the 458s just has the right amount of power for me to enjoy, and I am not a particulary good driver, it feels fast enough that I don't crave anything faster, yet I feel I can handle it and use that power.
I also think the speciale styling is the best, italia a bit too sleek & smooth, and the 488 a bit bulbous in places, the S takes the italia and adds just the right amount of aggression to the style..prefer the 2 stripe ones as opposed to the singular stripe, the side fins look great & lots of carbon adds to the effect...linger a lot more looking at it & indeed taken a lot more pics of my speciale than I ever did of the 488, it just looks 'right' The only negative is still the big wheel clearance in the arches, but heyho can live with it
Values on the S I reckon wont really drop much, we shall see, but for me its defo a keeper ( famous last words I know ! )

[rosino]

Fully agree. For me the 458 Speciale ticks all the boxes. I would have kept mine forever if I hadn't been forced to sell due to a potential relocation. I cry a bit every evening thinking about it. I don't think I will own another car that gets under your skin so much.

And don't get me started what it does on track. It's just another planet.

[Shazbat]

Get a used F12. The other cars mentioned here are fairly shallow kids toys in comparison.

And that's coming from a Scud owner as well.

[Nano2nd]

Lol classic PH, so we've gone from a post about buying a 430 or pushing to a 458 to you should buy a 458 speciale or an F12!

Well why not just sack that off and buy a Bugatti Chiron, or stretch the budget a bit and pick up and used eurofighter typhoon, I mean nothing can come close to the "rawness" of 2.0mach and oh the noise with the sport exhaust (afterburner) switched on is to die for

[dalenorth]

What's your opinions on this guys?

http://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/7056411-ferrari...

[RamboLambo]

dalenorth said:

What's your opinions on this guys?

http://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/7056411-ferrari...

Looks ok to me. Has all the essentials , race seats, LEDS, shields etc Only thing its missing is the carbon interior, AFS lights and lifter but that's not critical for everyone
On the plus side it has high power stereo and a red stripe on the seats

If you don't need lift and don't mind the plastic trim its seems the right price comparatively speaking for spec and miles

Stop fannying around and Get it bought before the summer is over !

[LA458SP]

dalenorth said:

What's your opinions on this guys?

http://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/7056411-ferrari...

Looks a good buy. Decent spec with LEDS, carbon wheel and seats!

2 years warranty, no service costs for 2 years and with buying at the bottom end of the market I would expect this to be relatively cheap motoring for a couple of years.

£140k asking price for this spec from main dealer is a low a these car have ever been.

[RamboLambo]

LA458SP said:

Looks a good buy. Decent spec with LEDS, carbon wheel and seats!

2 years warranty, no service costs for 2 years and with buying at the bottom end of the market I would expect this to be relatively cheap motoring for a couple of years.

£140k asking price for this spec from main dealer is a low a these car have ever been.

Reality creeping in ?

For a good year cars have been advertised at "think of a number and add a nought" prices and have not sold.
Dealers can't survive without selling so they have either discounted to potential buyers to get a deal or now if even the traffic is drying up reducing prices to create the footfall and opportunities to sell but maybe haggle less

[LA458SP]

RamboLambo said:

LA458SP said:

Looks a good buy. Decent spec with LEDS, carbon wheel and seats!

2 years warranty, no service costs for 2 years and with buying at the bottom end of the market I would expect this to be relatively cheap motoring for a couple of years.

£140k asking price for this spec from main dealer is a low a these car have ever been.

Reality creeping in ?

For a good year cars have been advertised at "think of a number and add a nought" prices and have not sold.
Dealers can't survive without selling so they have either discounted to potential buyers to get a deal or now if even the traffic is drying up reducing prices to create the footfall and opportunities to sell but maybe haggle less

I think it's just a really sensible price based on a 20k miles 458. The problem is that there has always been a shortage of well maintained good spec higher mileage cars.

20k miles for a 458 will make it undesirable to many (hence the price), but you can't go wrong with main dealer warranty and the balance of a service pack.

[Chris355]

They can't sell this car, they have had it for months and months and keep reducing it. My concern is that if I bought it I wouldn't be able to sell it without taking a massive loss on it.