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Note to the OP.
I have a Aston Martin DBS a Porsche 996 GT3 RS and a 458.
Guess which car I always want to drive...The 458 is every car for every reason.
I was totally shocked by how exciting the 458 was to drive...Pure drama.
I'm lucky enough to have an early car that hasn't been flashed so it pops and bangs and makes all the right noises even when I'm popping out for the milk.
Cheers
Pocty
I have a Aston Martin DBS a Porsche 996 GT3 RS and a 458.
Guess which car I always want to drive...The 458 is every car for every reason.
I was totally shocked by how exciting the 458 was to drive...Pure drama.
I'm lucky enough to have an early car that hasn't been flashed so it pops and bangs and makes all the right noises even when I'm popping out for the milk.
Cheers
Pocty
Yes, early cars rock for that reason - there was a software upgrade or something in MY 2012 which kind of took the angry smoker bark out of Race mode I think?
The 488 which is really noticeably faster is not nearly as aurally satisfying as an early 458. That and VRT (don't ask) are preventing me from signing up for a 488 Spider.
The 488 which is really noticeably faster is not nearly as aurally satisfying as an early 458. That and VRT (don't ask) are preventing me from signing up for a 488 Spider.
lostinvegas said:
100k+ more? A decent RHD 458 is going to be £150k+ how much do you think a 488 is?
I was in the market for a F430 and bought a new 488gtb. There are various good reasons why I did, you don't know the OP is not in the same situation as me.
He did specifically say he can't afford to lose 20k a year in depreciation, and on a new 488 you'll lose more than that.I was in the market for a F430 and bought a new 488gtb. There are various good reasons why I did, you don't know the OP is not in the same situation as me.
AndyGarton said:
He did specifically say he can't afford to lose 20k a year in depreciation, and on a new 488 you'll lose more than that.
I don't think you should buy any supercar unless you can afford 20k p.a. depreciation. Or else account for it using creative man maths. Even with an F430 or a 458. Stuff happens like North Korea opening fire and tanking the markets or another financial crisis caused by Marine Le Pen winning the communist elections or a hard Brexit being actually really hard like and supercars being less liquid than AK47's and tins of beans and you can also always give yourself a decent wedge of depreciation by binning it even slightly. That said, you only live once. Buy it and hang the depreciation I say.
dalenorth said:
Hi, I've not tried a Scud and it would be my preferred choice, it's just I can't really push to the extra 50k, not at the same time as keeping my balls anyway??????
If you can put up with LHD they are available circa £130k e.g. https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...AndyGarton said:
I fully agree. But clearly you have more chance of avoiding a big loss with a 430 or 458 than with buying a new car (where VAT alone will kill you as soon as you drive it away!).
I am not sure, have you seen the price of a used 488? its more than a new one currently. Once 488's do come down a little the 458's will follow suit and so will the F430. Lets face it a 488 with 6k miles on it (op says he will do 2k a year) is not going to be £150k in 3 years (20k a year depreciation).
Oooh that's a lot more difficult now, LHD Scud v 458.
I think I'd be moving towards a Scud actually. There is a thread somewhere on this topic - Scud v 458 and from memory I think that, while they are different cars, the Scud wins on drama and rawness and being a special.
PS I was in the Belfast dealer, Charles Hurst, today and they have a CS on sale for £200,000
I hadn't realised that the madness had gone that far. Nice, no very nice car and all that, but not at that price.
I think I'd be moving towards a Scud actually. There is a thread somewhere on this topic - Scud v 458 and from memory I think that, while they are different cars, the Scud wins on drama and rawness and being a special.
PS I was in the Belfast dealer, Charles Hurst, today and they have a CS on sale for £200,000
I hadn't realised that the madness had gone that far. Nice, no very nice car and all that, but not at that price.
thecook101 said:
Ah.. there's your problem. It's this..
Christ Alive!!! I know that bloke. The irony is he has at least two Ferrari's sitting in his garage.Re 430 or 458....having had a 430, I would say you have to go 458 if you can. For me the price differential is justified by the way it drives and the looks.
Small world. Even more ironic if he had heels like that in his garage!
To be clear, of course the 458 is the better car, and no question it's worth the extra money. My point to the OP is just not to over extend himself to get the faster 458 coupe when a 430 spider (which was the original comparison) would provide as much satisfaction as a weekend toy. But I agree, if the extra 50k, and of course it's more if you really want a spider, is not an issue then go with the 458.
To be clear, of course the 458 is the better car, and no question it's worth the extra money. My point to the OP is just not to over extend himself to get the faster 458 coupe when a 430 spider (which was the original comparison) would provide as much satisfaction as a weekend toy. But I agree, if the extra 50k, and of course it's more if you really want a spider, is not an issue then go with the 458.
I bought my 430 purely because 1. It was a manual (last of its kind), and 2. It was a spider. Those two things put it above a 458 coupe im fulfilling my own prancing horse desires - cost didn't come into it. I see loads of 458's around town (& hardly any 430s interestingly) and never feel any desire to change what I have.
If however the choice is 430 F1 or 458 F1, and the OP wants to minimise his potential depreciation exposure, buy the cheaper car. From a driving perspective, its true the 458 is a more modern supercar, most notably as far as the gearbox and interior goes (engine is a development of the 430's) - but then again, thats hardly news.
As an occassional use, exciting car thats a thrill to drive, either tick the box - its a very personal choice as to whether you would get more out of the older car's more visceral and raw spider experience v's the more modern / better driving coupe - so ultimately it comes down to the size of your pockets and what you want to get out of your ownership experience.
If however the choice is 430 F1 or 458 F1, and the OP wants to minimise his potential depreciation exposure, buy the cheaper car. From a driving perspective, its true the 458 is a more modern supercar, most notably as far as the gearbox and interior goes (engine is a development of the 430's) - but then again, thats hardly news.
As an occassional use, exciting car thats a thrill to drive, either tick the box - its a very personal choice as to whether you would get more out of the older car's more visceral and raw spider experience v's the more modern / better driving coupe - so ultimately it comes down to the size of your pockets and what you want to get out of your ownership experience.
Edited by ZeroH on Thursday 20th April 01:00
lostinvegas said:
I am not sure, have you seen the price of a used 488? its more than a new one currently.
Once 488's do come down a little the 458's will follow suit and so will the F430. Lets face it a 488 with 6k miles on it (op says he will do 2k a year) is not going to be £150k in 3 years (20k a year depreciation).
It's all guesswork of course, but to give you an idea: my 458 was £240k (and that level of options cost is by no means unusual) when bought new by the first owner in 2012. Just two years later I bought it (with 6000 miles on) for £160k. I'd be surprised if the 488 does better than that, and it might well do worse. It's a great car, but most consider it a smaller leap over the 458 than the 458 was over the 430.Once 488's do come down a little the 458's will follow suit and so will the F430. Lets face it a 488 with 6k miles on it (op says he will do 2k a year) is not going to be £150k in 3 years (20k a year depreciation).
Remember also of course most prices you see advertised are dealer prices, which will generally be 10-20k higher than what they paid the owner for the car at this kind of level, and also the asking price, not the selling price!
ZeroH said:
I see loads of 458's around town (& hardly any 430s interestingly)...
Probably because the F430 owners (particularly in three pedal form) have seen their values rise significantly and now spend more time talking them up than driving them? That's not intended to be too much of a dig, honest! We regularly used to see 308/328/348/F355 on the road but not any more. It's sadly restoration time ready for a life in the garage nowadays I'm afraid.
Fwiw, just outside of the M25 (west) I find the most 'common' Ferrari sightings to be F430, Cali, 458, 488. A few 360's have started putting in appearances now the weathers reasonable too.
dalenorth said:
Hi, I've not tried a Scud and it would be my preferred choice, it's just I can't really push to the extra 50k, not at the same time as keeping my balls anyway??????
LHD an option?Edit: Diregard - did not read entire thread prior to posting
Edited by MDL111 on Thursday 20th April 11:11
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