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Chris355 said:
£132500 was the advertised price when private. The private advert said 15k miles, which is close enough (I've still got the advert). Identical spec so im pretty sure its the same car.
Yes it is the same car, the chap worked offshore, did enough Due Dil on him to see he was genuine before I agreed the deal, I agreed £131k on it and after the sale fell through the seller messaged me saying Graypaul bought it from him for £128k, the actual mileage on the car was 16,000 odd not 15,000 as per the advert.Edited by Deano84 on Tuesday 19th September 20:51
Edited by Deano84 on Tuesday 19th September 20:56
Durzel said:
Sorry, for some reason I had you (the OP) confused with Deano84.
Why wouldn't Deano84's car be the one I linked to? It's a rosso/crema car with "16k" mileage? Deano84 hasn't mentioned the exact spec, has he?
Sorry for hijacking the thread OP!!! yes the link you posted is the the same car, which is the car that Chris355 viewed.Why wouldn't Deano84's car be the one I linked to? It's a rosso/crema car with "16k" mileage? Deano84 hasn't mentioned the exact spec, has he?
Edited by Deano84 on Tuesday 19th September 20:53
minerva said:
Thank you for all the investigative work being done! Am I alone in being rather irritated by this behaviour displayed by GP?
Absolutely not, they were happy enough to take my money off me for the inspection and I wasted a day going up to see the car, unless I paid to have the (insanely priced) mechanical work done they refused to put a warranty on, safe to say I won't be using them again.Stratstone Wilmslow say they are struggling to meet demand for 'good' 458s and are putting the prices UP on the more desirable ones, this as winter approaches when typically you'd expect values to dip. They can't shift the yellow & black one they have, but it's yellow & black and expensive because of spec no one wants.
I understand the reason, last naturally aspirated V8, much loader etc, but paying £150k plus for a 6 or 7 year old 458 is nuts!! the 458's in the spec/colour I want seem to be up near £165 plus!!!!!
At some point its going to make more sense to grab the 680bhp brand new 488, it is better in very department bar sound !!
At some point its going to make more sense to grab the 680bhp brand new 488, it is better in very department bar sound !!
Afer much angsting and lots of driving of the 488, including at Fiorano, I've just decided to wait before chopping in my 458. The reason is, while the 488 is a much better car in most ways, and in particular it is a much better track car, but it isn't as far ahead of the 458 as the 458 was ahead of the F430. And it does lack that last 1000 rpm and just doesn't sound as nice. And the 458 isn't lacking in speed or drama. In fact, the 488 is so fast that it reduces the fun quotient. If you give it beans at all, that nice straight is over.
I am now going to put deposit down on whatever comes next as soon as possible or maybe get into an F12. Which is like a big hilariously overpowered and totally upper class and high end M3, in a very good way.
I am now going to put deposit down on whatever comes next as soon as possible or maybe get into an F12. Which is like a big hilariously overpowered and totally upper class and high end M3, in a very good way.
I think you've nailed it - 458 was a several generation leap forward from F430 (sorry, but it is), but 488 isn't the same. That's a testament to how accomplished the 458 was. I'm biased though, I'll admit it 
I kinda see the 488 in the same realm as the iPhone now - I don't think you're going to see massive technological jumps forward because the tech is already well refined. Moving forwards, with a lot of marques, I think the new cars are basically just going to see improvements in integrated tech (Spotify et al) and convenience features.
There is an argument to be made about the fact that the cars themselves are already too fast. The 458 is very fast, the 488 obscenely so for a "normal" supercar. It takes seconds in either car to be well within licence losing territory on UK roads.
That's a lot of waffle to basically say that the 488 is an evolution of the 458 but isn't a revolutionary jump. The whole N/A vs turbo thing is - for me - resonant too.
I kinda see the 488 in the same realm as the iPhone now - I don't think you're going to see massive technological jumps forward because the tech is already well refined. Moving forwards, with a lot of marques, I think the new cars are basically just going to see improvements in integrated tech (Spotify et al) and convenience features.
There is an argument to be made about the fact that the cars themselves are already too fast. The 458 is very fast, the 488 obscenely so for a "normal" supercar. It takes seconds in either car to be well within licence losing territory on UK roads.
That's a lot of waffle to basically say that the 488 is an evolution of the 458 but isn't a revolutionary jump. The whole N/A vs turbo thing is - for me - resonant too.
IMHO The 488 was a rushed effort on the part of Ferrari to bring something out ASAP to tackle the onslaught of the cars coming out of Mclaren. It's just an evolution of the 458 rather than a new model launch - the interior pretty much looks the same too! 488 great car no doubt but the 458 is going to be a tough one to beat...certain future classic 
dvb247 said:
I understand the reason, last naturally aspirated V8, much loader etc, but paying £150k plus for a 6 or 7 year old 458 is nuts!! the 458's in the spec/colour I want seem to be up near £165 plus!!!!!
At some point its going to make more sense to grab the 680bhp brand new 488, it is better in very department bar sound !!
I'm sorry, but I disagree. My 458 for instance cost new £221k 5 years ago. It's trade is £145k against £160k retail. I don't think this is nuts, just a reflection on supply/demand. The car has still depreciated, as expected. As per other recent posts, I've also seriously considered a 488 but decided not to proceed. The 488 is a better car on paper, however, in the areas that are important to my (and it appears many others) this is irrelevant. I don't track my car and probably only use it once a week or so in nice weather, etc. It has oodles more performance than necessary, with short gearing allowing you to enjoy running to the red line with a huge grin! The 488 did not give the same sense of occasion and I still think the design is a little fussy. I think buyers are realising that faster, newer and technically improved is not necessarily giving an improved ownership experience for these types of vehicles. At some point its going to make more sense to grab the 680bhp brand new 488, it is better in very department bar sound !!
It's an interesting time for Ferrari buyers. I suspect the 458 was a perfect storm moment - magnificent NA engine, superb gearbox, well sorted eDiff, gorgeous design. It is the pinnacle of Ferrari's NA V8 roadmap (and by 458 I'm including the Berlinetta, Spider, Speciale and Aperta). Definitely on my wish list for some time in the future. The best examples will be collectors items but for the rest - go out and really enjoy them, use them as intended, what a car.
That shouldn't take away from the later or earlier models. The 488 is a weapon from the reviews I have seen, the 430 and 360 (and yes I'm a fan of the F1 in the 430 as I think it better matches Ferrari's objectives at the time and is/will be more historically correct) are rawer cars that are perhaps easier to exploit on the road and test the limits on track. Earlier than that is analogue Ferrari heaven. We are living at a time when we'll see the end of the car as we know it and my hope is that I get an opportunity to drive one balls out into the sunset with 100k+ miles on the clock, road rash behind the wheels and a large grin on my face.
To the OP, I hope you get your 458. Enjoy.
That shouldn't take away from the later or earlier models. The 488 is a weapon from the reviews I have seen, the 430 and 360 (and yes I'm a fan of the F1 in the 430 as I think it better matches Ferrari's objectives at the time and is/will be more historically correct) are rawer cars that are perhaps easier to exploit on the road and test the limits on track. Earlier than that is analogue Ferrari heaven. We are living at a time when we'll see the end of the car as we know it and my hope is that I get an opportunity to drive one balls out into the sunset with 100k+ miles on the clock, road rash behind the wheels and a large grin on my face.
To the OP, I hope you get your 458. Enjoy.
johnnyreggae said:
Check out Voicey's 360 & 430 pricing data - this has been going long enough to demonstrate the trends (albeit not 458 but still) and typically the variation in asking prices through winter is about 1 % ie winter pricing is basically a myth
Voicey's price data has to be asking prices - he cant get access to actual sales prices on such a large number of cars. There will be a negotiable winter discount in November / december as sales staff try to make their quarterly bonus and the dealership want to clear old stock. You just wont see it in the asking prices before the haggle.Gassing Station | Ferrari V8 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff