Discussion
bertie said:
We’re all here because we love cars, owning and driving them.
We’re in a period of massive progress with some fantastic cars to choose from.
Be nice to get back to a celebration of what we love rather than the moaning
I think the brand discussion is valid and fascinating. No one is moaning, other than yourself, ironically about the fact that the discussion is taking place. We’re in a period of massive progress with some fantastic cars to choose from.
Be nice to get back to a celebration of what we love rather than the moaning
I have only ever bought Lamborghini. I want to like Ferrari but I just cannot connect with the brand and I personally find that fascinating. I confess I haven’t driven one , but I don’t even want to , and I certainly have the means to buy into the brand. Maybe I need to see a shrink but it intrigues me how brands can create such a divide. Why don’t I even want to drive one?
I know we now live in a snowflake world where stereotypes aren’t allowed to exist. But screw that - stereotyping is a legitimate expression of statistically significant generalisations.
I love the honesty of a Lamborghini. It doesn’t pretend to be anything other than a “f
k you”. It doesn’t hide. It shouts loud. It says ironically or literally - “I’m driving a bad ass vehicle that costs a lot of money and I just don’t care what you think. Who knows just maybe I AM a drug dealer”! It is humorous, bold and without pretension with its honesty in design and style. Ferrari’s are slick, effeminate and try to pretend that they are above “status shaming”. When in fact they are everything about that and more. And that’s before you even enter a dealership to try to negotiate.
Sarnie said:
Great post Camlet!
You make an interesting point about McLaren too. I sit here with a Samsung phone and a McLaren in the garage.
In my opinion, the default choices for a lot of people would be a Ferrari & an Iphone. Thats the strength of their brand which is to be admired......if someone wins the lottery, the almost default choice is to go and buy a red Ferrari........without any real appreciation of what it is or what other cars can offer.........it's why I avoid Ferrari, they make great cars of course, but to me they are bought people (outside of these forums of course!) by people who like the cache of the brand and what it says about themselves to others....and thats what I wouldn't want to be associated with. I understand entirely why some do, but it's not for me.
McLaren have a huge way to go and probably will never get to where Ferrari are at all but they are closing the gap slowly (whilst still making mistakes like bring out too many new cars each year) but competition can only be a good thing
Strangely enough so do I, as well as hating to conform and following the flock of sheep.You make an interesting point about McLaren too. I sit here with a Samsung phone and a McLaren in the garage.
In my opinion, the default choices for a lot of people would be a Ferrari & an Iphone. Thats the strength of their brand which is to be admired......if someone wins the lottery, the almost default choice is to go and buy a red Ferrari........without any real appreciation of what it is or what other cars can offer.........it's why I avoid Ferrari, they make great cars of course, but to me they are bought people (outside of these forums of course!) by people who like the cache of the brand and what it says about themselves to others....and thats what I wouldn't want to be associated with. I understand entirely why some do, but it's not for me.
McLaren have a huge way to go and probably will never get to where Ferrari are at all but they are closing the gap slowly (whilst still making mistakes like bring out too many new cars each year) but competition can only be a good thing
I've done my time with Ferrari but proudly keep hold of my first Ferrari supercar F355 GTS manual, with capristo whilst subsequent ones have come and gone. Ferrari no longer have that "Power" draw for me,
I've seen past the prancing horse badge and beyond it and unless its a limited edition which you cant get I find them all a little too mundane, ordinary and common nowadays.
Maybe I'm at the age where I can stick two fingers up to the establishment which seems to be what I'm doing with the Huracan Performante.
A proper "in yer face" car
WDISMYL said:
I think the brand discussion is valid and fascinating. No one is moaning, other than yourself, ironically about the fact that the discussion is taking place.
I have only ever bought Lamborghini. I want to like Ferrari but I just cannot connect with the brand and I personally find that fascinating. I confess I haven’t driven one , but I don’t even want to , and I certainly have the means to buy into the brand. Maybe I need to see a shrink but it intrigues me how brands can create such a divide. Why don’t I even want to drive one?
I know we now live in a snowflake world where stereotypes aren’t allowed to exist. But screw that - stereotyping is a legitimate expression of statistically significant generalisations.
I love the honesty of a Lamborghini. It doesn’t pretend to be anything other than a “fk you”. It doesn’t hide. It shouts loud. It says ironically or literally - “I’m driving a bad ass vehicle that costs a lot of money and I just don’t care what you think. Who knows just maybe I AM a drug dealer”! It is humorous, bold and without pretension with its honesty in design and style.
Ferrari’s are slick, effeminate and try to pretend that they are above “status shaming”. When in fact they are everything about that and more. And that’s before you even enter a dealership to try to negotiate.
Can't disagree with above although I've had my fair share of Ferrari's and always grew up dreaming of one. I have only ever bought Lamborghini. I want to like Ferrari but I just cannot connect with the brand and I personally find that fascinating. I confess I haven’t driven one , but I don’t even want to , and I certainly have the means to buy into the brand. Maybe I need to see a shrink but it intrigues me how brands can create such a divide. Why don’t I even want to drive one?
I know we now live in a snowflake world where stereotypes aren’t allowed to exist. But screw that - stereotyping is a legitimate expression of statistically significant generalisations.
I love the honesty of a Lamborghini. It doesn’t pretend to be anything other than a “f
k you”. It doesn’t hide. It shouts loud. It says ironically or literally - “I’m driving a bad ass vehicle that costs a lot of money and I just don’t care what you think. Who knows just maybe I AM a drug dealer”! It is humorous, bold and without pretension with its honesty in design and style. Ferrari’s are slick, effeminate and try to pretend that they are above “status shaming”. When in fact they are everything about that and more. And that’s before you even enter a dealership to try to negotiate.
Of the 3 brands Lamborghini, Ferrari and McLaren, Ferrari sits in the middle ground. The safe bet that is neither latest technology, fastest etc... nor the the most outrageous, loud, brash and in yer face.
Its undoubtedly the default and safe option particularly in terms of value but there just seems to be far too many of them on the roads to be special.
McLaren and Lamborghini are at the extremes and appeal to me for different reasons hence why I have now settled on that "combination"
WDISMYL said:
I think the brand discussion is valid and fascinating. No one is moaning, other than yourself, ironically about the fact that the discussion is taking place.
I have only ever bought Lamborghini. I want to like Ferrari but I just cannot connect with the brand and I personally find that fascinating. I confess I haven’t driven one , but I don’t even want to , and I certainly have the means to buy into the brand. Maybe I need to see a shrink but it intrigues me how brands can create such a divide. Why don’t I even want to drive one?
I know we now live in a snowflake world where stereotypes aren’t allowed to exist. But screw that - stereotyping is a legitimate expression of statistically significant generalisations.
I love the honesty of a Lamborghini. It doesn’t pretend to be anything other than a “fk you”. It doesn’t hide. It shouts loud. It says ironically or literally - “I’m driving a bad ass vehicle that costs a lot of money and I just don’t care what you think. Who knows just maybe I AM a drug dealer”! It is humorous, bold and without pretension with its honesty in design and style.
Ferrari’s are slick, effeminate and try to pretend that they are above “status shaming”. When in fact they are everything about that and more. And that’s before you even enter a dealership to try to negotiate.
I absolutely promise you I am not moaning at all.I have only ever bought Lamborghini. I want to like Ferrari but I just cannot connect with the brand and I personally find that fascinating. I confess I haven’t driven one , but I don’t even want to , and I certainly have the means to buy into the brand. Maybe I need to see a shrink but it intrigues me how brands can create such a divide. Why don’t I even want to drive one?
I know we now live in a snowflake world where stereotypes aren’t allowed to exist. But screw that - stereotyping is a legitimate expression of statistically significant generalisations.
I love the honesty of a Lamborghini. It doesn’t pretend to be anything other than a “f
k you”. It doesn’t hide. It shouts loud. It says ironically or literally - “I’m driving a bad ass vehicle that costs a lot of money and I just don’t care what you think. Who knows just maybe I AM a drug dealer”! It is humorous, bold and without pretension with its honesty in design and style. Ferrari’s are slick, effeminate and try to pretend that they are above “status shaming”. When in fact they are everything about that and more. And that’s before you even enter a dealership to try to negotiate.
I've had several Ferraris, I've also had 3 Lamborghinis and currently a McLaren so I've been through all 3 brands.
I love them all, just don't see the need for a divide that's all
RamboLambo said:
Can't disagree with above although I've had my fair share of Ferrari's and always grew up dreaming of one.
Of the 3 brands Lamborghini, Ferrari and McLaren, Ferrari sits in the middle ground. The safe bet that is neither latest technology, fastest etc... nor the the most outrageous, loud, brash and in yer face.
Its undoubtedly the default and safe option particularly in terms of value but there just seems to be far too many of them on the roads to be special.
McLaren and Lamborghini are at the extremes and appeal to me for different reasons hence why I have now settled on that "combination"
Just remind us, one more time what cars you have/getting? Of the 3 brands Lamborghini, Ferrari and McLaren, Ferrari sits in the middle ground. The safe bet that is neither latest technology, fastest etc... nor the the most outrageous, loud, brash and in yer face.
Its undoubtedly the default and safe option particularly in terms of value but there just seems to be far too many of them on the roads to be special.
McLaren and Lamborghini are at the extremes and appeal to me for different reasons hence why I have now settled on that "combination"
RamboLambo said:
Sarnie said:
Great post Camlet!
You make an interesting point about McLaren too. I sit here with a Samsung phone and a McLaren in the garage.
In my opinion, the default choices for a lot of people would be a Ferrari & an Iphone. Thats the strength of their brand which is to be admired......if someone wins the lottery, the almost default choice is to go and buy a red Ferrari........without any real appreciation of what it is or what other cars can offer.........it's why I avoid Ferrari, they make great cars of course, but to me they are bought people (outside of these forums of course!) by people who like the cache of the brand and what it says about themselves to others....and thats what I wouldn't want to be associated with. I understand entirely why some do, but it's not for me.
McLaren have a huge way to go and probably will never get to where Ferrari are at all but they are closing the gap slowly (whilst still making mistakes like bring out too many new cars each year) but competition can only be a good thing
Strangely enough so do I, as well as hating to conform and following the flock of sheep.You make an interesting point about McLaren too. I sit here with a Samsung phone and a McLaren in the garage.
In my opinion, the default choices for a lot of people would be a Ferrari & an Iphone. Thats the strength of their brand which is to be admired......if someone wins the lottery, the almost default choice is to go and buy a red Ferrari........without any real appreciation of what it is or what other cars can offer.........it's why I avoid Ferrari, they make great cars of course, but to me they are bought people (outside of these forums of course!) by people who like the cache of the brand and what it says about themselves to others....and thats what I wouldn't want to be associated with. I understand entirely why some do, but it's not for me.
McLaren have a huge way to go and probably will never get to where Ferrari are at all but they are closing the gap slowly (whilst still making mistakes like bring out too many new cars each year) but competition can only be a good thing
I've done my time with Ferrari but proudly keep hold of my first Ferrari supercar F355 GTS manual, with capristo whilst subsequent ones have come and gone. Ferrari no longer have that "Power" draw for me,
I've seen past the prancing horse badge and beyond it and unless its a limited edition which you cant get I find them all a little too mundane, ordinary and common nowadays.
Maybe I'm at the age where I can stick two fingers up to the establishment which seems to be what I'm doing with the Huracan Performante.
A proper "in yer face" car
ghost83 said:
Back on topic as such
I want a pista..... simple
I can’t afford one though and I wouldn’t get on the list anyway
But oh my god I want one so much
If any of you on here are super super wealthy and won’t notice 250k+ gone from your accounts and feel like making a guy happy feel free! I feel so sad that most of these will end up with flippers that only want it to make money and not to enjoy or they will be locked away in collections!
I just want one to get away from life’s stresses turn the key and enjoy
fk sake I hate my life
I've heard that build slots are being sold for a 50k (euro) premium - which I think is fairly reasonable. not sure what a UK slot would be worth thoughI want a pista..... simple
I can’t afford one though and I wouldn’t get on the list anyway
But oh my god I want one so much
If any of you on here are super super wealthy and won’t notice 250k+ gone from your accounts and feel like making a guy happy feel free! I feel so sad that most of these will end up with flippers that only want it to make money and not to enjoy or they will be locked away in collections!
I just want one to get away from life’s stresses turn the key and enjoy
f
k sake I hate my lifeWell, I'm sure most of you would sneer at it but I've just driven up to York through the country roads in my 981 Boxster S (manual box), in the wet, not sparing it's mere 315 horses and frankly it's a bloody superb car and it's nice to be heel toeing for a change as much as I like my Fezzas.
I'm here with Mrs Leg at York Hospital being supportive of my in-laws as my father in law had a stroke and is now wheelchair bound so the poor bd had to ride in the back of their new Fiat Qubo wheelchair car ramp thing in his wheelchair. He looks decidedly pissed off frankly. Much more pissed off than I would be about not getting an LE car, about having 100bhp less than someone else or indeed, finding out from Rambo that I should've bought a McLaren, Performante or whatever it is he's promoting this week. ;-)
So, fk it, enjoy your cars, whatever they may be. Be dead soon, or worse, invalided. Time is a slipping away and Fiat Qubo's and stroen Berlingos watch us with lustful eyes all like wolves stalking an antelope.
I'm here with Mrs Leg at York Hospital being supportive of my in-laws as my father in law had a stroke and is now wheelchair bound so the poor b
d had to ride in the back of their new Fiat Qubo wheelchair car ramp thing in his wheelchair. He looks decidedly pissed off frankly. Much more pissed off than I would be about not getting an LE car, about having 100bhp less than someone else or indeed, finding out from Rambo that I should've bought a McLaren, Performante or whatever it is he's promoting this week. ;-)So, f
k it, enjoy your cars, whatever they may be. Be dead soon, or worse, invalided. Time is a slipping away and Fiat Qubo's and stroen Berlingos watch us with lustful eyes all like wolves stalking an antelope.Jules360 said:
Not sure the Samsung / Apple analogy is a good one. Samsung have about 22% of smartphone market share, compared to Apple's 15%. So it seems the sheep have the Samsung.
And the fact that the Apple device is a better product.It only works if the products are essentially both running identical OS and have the same features - yet one is made by Samsung and the other by Google. The real comparison should be something like a Samsung and a Pixel - because then the draw is in the design/style/badge.
Never really understood why someone would choose a worse product/experience just so they can say they are nonconformist. Kinda like saying you're only gonna eat dog s
t because food is what EVERYONE eats and why follow the 'sheep'.Obviously I am being stupid in my statements, but the point really comes down to 'which is right for you'. Right can be speed, handling, styling and yes...even badge. If you get personal pleasure from having a prancing horse and not a raging bull, then it's absolutely fine.
To quote Game of Thrones, "Power resides where men believe it resides"
Apple makes in many cases a technically weaker product, at a price in excess of its competition. On the face of it they should be struggling, but they aren't - quite the opposite. They do not have the market share of Samsung as highlighted above. Notwithstanding both of those objective facts, which of the two brands feels to your average person like the premium brand? Which is more aspirational?
If you scratch beneath the surface you'd find Ferrari sell quite a bit of branded tat. Their cars - as RamboLambo is keen to point out - are often weaker in technical areas than other marques. That this stuff doesn't matter is a testament to the brand.
I'm not particularly an Apple fanboy but I've "somehow" ended up with several bits of their kit. If I'd bought with my head with all of them, I'm not sure I would've made the same decisions.
Apple makes in many cases a technically weaker product, at a price in excess of its competition. On the face of it they should be struggling, but they aren't - quite the opposite. They do not have the market share of Samsung as highlighted above. Notwithstanding both of those objective facts, which of the two brands feels to your average person like the premium brand? Which is more aspirational?
If you scratch beneath the surface you'd find Ferrari sell quite a bit of branded tat. Their cars - as RamboLambo is keen to point out - are often weaker in technical areas than other marques. That this stuff doesn't matter is a testament to the brand.
I'm not particularly an Apple fanboy but I've "somehow" ended up with several bits of their kit. If I'd bought with my head with all of them, I'm not sure I would've made the same decisions.
Durzel said:
To quote Game of Thrones, "Power resides where men believe it resides"
Apple makes in many cases a technically weaker product, at a price in excess of its competition. On the face of it they should be struggling, but they aren't - quite the opposite. They do not have the market share of Samsung as highlighted above. Notwithstanding both of those objective facts, which of the two brands feels to your average person like the premium brand? Which is more aspirational?
If you scratch beneath the surface you'd find Ferrari sell quite a bit of branded tat. Their cars - as RamboLambo is keen to point out - are often weaker in technical areas than other marques. That this stuff doesn't matter is a testament to the brand.
I'm not particularly an Apple fanboy but I've "somehow" ended up with several bits of their kit. If I'd bought with my head with all of them, I'm not sure I would've made the same decisions.
Again, potentially the wrong comparison to draw.Apple makes in many cases a technically weaker product, at a price in excess of its competition. On the face of it they should be struggling, but they aren't - quite the opposite. They do not have the market share of Samsung as highlighted above. Notwithstanding both of those objective facts, which of the two brands feels to your average person like the premium brand? Which is more aspirational?
If you scratch beneath the surface you'd find Ferrari sell quite a bit of branded tat. Their cars - as RamboLambo is keen to point out - are often weaker in technical areas than other marques. That this stuff doesn't matter is a testament to the brand.
I'm not particularly an Apple fanboy but I've "somehow" ended up with several bits of their kit. If I'd bought with my head with all of them, I'm not sure I would've made the same decisions.
I would contest the 'technically weaker' product (again, not as an Apple fanboy at all - just a guy who spent 6 years as Head of Mobile Apps Dev so was exposed to a LOT of devices and iterations of both major OS) as I think it depends if you view the whole or the parts. Is the camera perhaps better in some other phones? Yes, but the other phones suck in other areas...just as an example.
With the iPhone, I genuinely believe the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and it feels like a much higher quality product than (almost) any Android device I have used.
I don't think the phone comparison works in the world of Ferrari and Lambo. It's much more emotional than that for me. Every Lambo I have driven feels a lot more 'solid' a vehicle than the Ferrari's I have driven, Ferrari's have an inherent delicateness that runs through the whole feel of the car, whereas Lambo feels brutish and (dare I say it) a bit boring and lumpen by comparison. So to that end, the Lambos feel like a better put together product. (Owners' experiences will always either support or contradict!!)
I am blessed with being neither a Ferrari guy or a Lambo guy - I love them both. No brand loyalty and no issues with image. However I do think they both run the fine line of ostentation.
_Leg_ said:
Well, I'm sure most of you would sneer at it but I've just driven up to York through the country roads in my 981 Boxster S (manual box), in the wet, not sparing it's mere 315 horses and frankly it's a bloody superb car and it's nice to be heel toeing for a change as much as I like my Fezzas.
I'm here with Mrs Leg at York Hospital being supportive of my in-laws as my father in law had a stroke and is now wheelchair bound so the poor bd had to ride in the back of their new Fiat Qubo wheelchair car ramp thing in his wheelchair. He looks decidedly pissed off frankly. Much more pissed off than I would be about not getting an LE car, about having 100bhp less than someone else or indeed, finding out from Rambo that I should've bought a McLaren, Performante or whatever it is he's promoting this week. ;-)
So, fk it, enjoy your cars, whatever they may be. Be dead soon, or worse, invalided. Time is a slipping away and Fiat Qubo's and stroen Berlingos watch us with lustful eyes all like wolves stalking an antelope.
the 981 Boxster S is a great car for sure, much better than those after it.I'm here with Mrs Leg at York Hospital being supportive of my in-laws as my father in law had a stroke and is now wheelchair bound so the poor b
d had to ride in the back of their new Fiat Qubo wheelchair car ramp thing in his wheelchair. He looks decidedly pissed off frankly. Much more pissed off than I would be about not getting an LE car, about having 100bhp less than someone else or indeed, finding out from Rambo that I should've bought a McLaren, Performante or whatever it is he's promoting this week. ;-)So, f
k it, enjoy your cars, whatever they may be. Be dead soon, or worse, invalided. Time is a slipping away and Fiat Qubo's and stroen Berlingos watch us with lustful eyes all like wolves stalking an antelope.PhantomPH said:
Durzel said:
To quote Game of Thrones, "Power resides where men believe it resides"
Apple makes in many cases a technically weaker product, at a price in excess of its competition. On the face of it they should be struggling, but they aren't - quite the opposite. They do not have the market share of Samsung as highlighted above. Notwithstanding both of those objective facts, which of the two brands feels to your average person like the premium brand? Which is more aspirational?
If you scratch beneath the surface you'd find Ferrari sell quite a bit of branded tat. Their cars - as RamboLambo is keen to point out - are often weaker in technical areas than other marques. That this stuff doesn't matter is a testament to the brand.
I'm not particularly an Apple fanboy but I've "somehow" ended up with several bits of their kit. If I'd bought with my head with all of them, I'm not sure I would've made the same decisions.
Again, potentially the wrong comparison to draw.Apple makes in many cases a technically weaker product, at a price in excess of its competition. On the face of it they should be struggling, but they aren't - quite the opposite. They do not have the market share of Samsung as highlighted above. Notwithstanding both of those objective facts, which of the two brands feels to your average person like the premium brand? Which is more aspirational?
If you scratch beneath the surface you'd find Ferrari sell quite a bit of branded tat. Their cars - as RamboLambo is keen to point out - are often weaker in technical areas than other marques. That this stuff doesn't matter is a testament to the brand.
I'm not particularly an Apple fanboy but I've "somehow" ended up with several bits of their kit. If I'd bought with my head with all of them, I'm not sure I would've made the same decisions.
I would contest the 'technically weaker' product (again, not as an Apple fanboy at all - just a guy who spent 6 years as Head of Mobile Apps Dev so was exposed to a LOT of devices and iterations of both major OS) as I think it depends if you view the whole or the parts. Is the camera perhaps better in some other phones? Yes, but the other phones suck in other areas...just as an example.
With the iPhone, I genuinely believe the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and it feels like a much higher quality product than (almost) any Android device I have used.
I don't think the phone comparison works in the world of Ferrari and Lambo. It's much more emotional than that for me. Every Lambo I have driven feels a lot more 'solid' a vehicle than the Ferrari's I have driven, Ferrari's have an inherent delicateness that runs through the whole feel of the car, whereas Lambo feels brutish and (dare I say it) a bit boring and lumpen by comparison. So to that end, the Lambos feel like a better put together product. (Owners' experiences will always either support or contradict!!)
I am blessed with being neither a Ferrari guy or a Lambo guy - I love them both. No brand loyalty and no issues with image. However I do think they both run the fine line of ostentation.
It's not a great surprise that fixed SKU products running a closed source OS ends up being a more robust and reliable development environment than Android where the device capabilities, manufacturer bolt-ons, etc are all over the place.
Obviously you have a lot more experience in that area than I do so I'll have to defer to your knowledge on that one.
Jules360 said:
RamboLambo said:
Sarnie said:
Great post Camlet!
You make an interesting point about McLaren too. I sit here with a Samsung phone and a McLaren in the garage.
In my opinion, the default choices for a lot of people would be a Ferrari & an Iphone. Thats the strength of their brand which is to be admired......if someone wins the lottery, the almost default choice is to go and buy a red Ferrari........without any real appreciation of what it is or what other cars can offer.........it's why I avoid Ferrari, they make great cars of course, but to me they are bought people (outside of these forums of course!) by people who like the cache of the brand and what it says about themselves to others....and thats what I wouldn't want to be associated with. I understand entirely why some do, but it's not for me.
McLaren have a huge way to go and probably will never get to where Ferrari are at all but they are closing the gap slowly (whilst still making mistakes like bring out too many new cars each year) but competition can only be a good thing
Strangely enough so do I, as well as hating to conform and following the flock of sheep.You make an interesting point about McLaren too. I sit here with a Samsung phone and a McLaren in the garage.
In my opinion, the default choices for a lot of people would be a Ferrari & an Iphone. Thats the strength of their brand which is to be admired......if someone wins the lottery, the almost default choice is to go and buy a red Ferrari........without any real appreciation of what it is or what other cars can offer.........it's why I avoid Ferrari, they make great cars of course, but to me they are bought people (outside of these forums of course!) by people who like the cache of the brand and what it says about themselves to others....and thats what I wouldn't want to be associated with. I understand entirely why some do, but it's not for me.
McLaren have a huge way to go and probably will never get to where Ferrari are at all but they are closing the gap slowly (whilst still making mistakes like bring out too many new cars each year) but competition can only be a good thing
I've done my time with Ferrari but proudly keep hold of my first Ferrari supercar F355 GTS manual, with capristo whilst subsequent ones have come and gone. Ferrari no longer have that "Power" draw for me,
I've seen past the prancing horse badge and beyond it and unless its a limited edition which you cant get I find them all a little too mundane, ordinary and common nowadays.
Maybe I'm at the age where I can stick two fingers up to the establishment which seems to be what I'm doing with the Huracan Performante.
A proper "in yer face" car
_Leg_ said:
Well, I'm sure most of you would sneer at it but I've just driven up to York through the country roads in my 981 Boxster S (manual box), in the wet, not sparing it's mere 315 horses and frankly it's a bloody superb car and it's nice to be heel toeing for a change as much as I like my Fezzas.
I'm here with Mrs Leg at York Hospital being supportive of my in-laws as my father in law had a stroke and is now wheelchair bound so the poor bd had to ride in the back of their new Fiat Qubo wheelchair car ramp thing in his wheelchair. He looks decidedly pissed off frankly. Much more pissed off than I would be about not getting an LE car, about having 100bhp less than someone else or indeed, finding out from Rambo that I should've bought a McLaren, Performante or whatever it is he's promoting this week. ;-)
So, fk it, enjoy your cars, whatever they may be. Be dead soon, or worse, invalided. Time is a slipping away and Fiat Qubo's and stroen Berlingos watch us with lustful eyes all like wolves stalking an antelope.
Sorry to hear about your Father-in-Law. Your point is very well made. I'm here with Mrs Leg at York Hospital being supportive of my in-laws as my father in law had a stroke and is now wheelchair bound so the poor b
d had to ride in the back of their new Fiat Qubo wheelchair car ramp thing in his wheelchair. He looks decidedly pissed off frankly. Much more pissed off than I would be about not getting an LE car, about having 100bhp less than someone else or indeed, finding out from Rambo that I should've bought a McLaren, Performante or whatever it is he's promoting this week. ;-)So, f
k it, enjoy your cars, whatever they may be. Be dead soon, or worse, invalided. Time is a slipping away and Fiat Qubo's and stroen Berlingos watch us with lustful eyes all like wolves stalking an antelope.Durzel said:
PhantomPH said:
Durzel said:
To quote Game of Thrones, "Power resides where men believe it resides"
Apple makes in many cases a technically weaker product, at a price in excess of its competition. On the face of it they should be struggling, but they aren't - quite the opposite. They do not have the market share of Samsung as highlighted above. Notwithstanding both of those objective facts, which of the two brands feels to your average person like the premium brand? Which is more aspirational?
If you scratch beneath the surface you'd find Ferrari sell quite a bit of branded tat. Their cars - as RamboLambo is keen to point out - are often weaker in technical areas than other marques. That this stuff doesn't matter is a testament to the brand.
I'm not particularly an Apple fanboy but I've "somehow" ended up with several bits of their kit. If I'd bought with my head with all of them, I'm not sure I would've made the same decisions.
Again, potentially the wrong comparison to draw.Apple makes in many cases a technically weaker product, at a price in excess of its competition. On the face of it they should be struggling, but they aren't - quite the opposite. They do not have the market share of Samsung as highlighted above. Notwithstanding both of those objective facts, which of the two brands feels to your average person like the premium brand? Which is more aspirational?
If you scratch beneath the surface you'd find Ferrari sell quite a bit of branded tat. Their cars - as RamboLambo is keen to point out - are often weaker in technical areas than other marques. That this stuff doesn't matter is a testament to the brand.
I'm not particularly an Apple fanboy but I've "somehow" ended up with several bits of their kit. If I'd bought with my head with all of them, I'm not sure I would've made the same decisions.
I would contest the 'technically weaker' product (again, not as an Apple fanboy at all - just a guy who spent 6 years as Head of Mobile Apps Dev so was exposed to a LOT of devices and iterations of both major OS) as I think it depends if you view the whole or the parts. Is the camera perhaps better in some other phones? Yes, but the other phones suck in other areas...just as an example.
With the iPhone, I genuinely believe the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and it feels like a much higher quality product than (almost) any Android device I have used.
I don't think the phone comparison works in the world of Ferrari and Lambo. It's much more emotional than that for me. Every Lambo I have driven feels a lot more 'solid' a vehicle than the Ferrari's I have driven, Ferrari's have an inherent delicateness that runs through the whole feel of the car, whereas Lambo feels brutish and (dare I say it) a bit boring and lumpen by comparison. So to that end, the Lambos feel like a better put together product. (Owners' experiences will always either support or contradict!!)
I am blessed with being neither a Ferrari guy or a Lambo guy - I love them both. No brand loyalty and no issues with image. However I do think they both run the fine line of ostentation.
It's not a great surprise that fixed SKU products running a closed source OS ends up being a more robust and reliable development environment than Android where the device capabilities, manufacturer bolt-ons, etc are all over the place.
Obviously you have a lot more experience in that area than I do so I'll have to defer to your knowledge on that one.
Yes, I have a s
tload of experience, but any opinions I offer - whilst based on a lot of evidence - are still not really facts. They are anecdotal by the very nature that they are mine and mine alone with personal preference and 'emotion' involved.I am not sure what the Ferrari brand really says to me personally, but when I think about the supercar brands I do feel that Mclaren is not yet tainted (for want of a better word) by the ostentation that surrounds the Ferrari/Lambo brands (arguably Ferrari more than Lambo)
The real test of a brand right now, is the new Aston Vantage. It's probably the most contra-brand car that Aston have released ever (moving on another step from the original Vantage) as it shuns the subtle style and class of the brand in almost every single area.
Camlet said:
_Leg_ said:
Well, I'm sure most of you would sneer at it but I've just driven up to York through the country roads in my 981 Boxster S (manual box), in the wet, not sparing it's mere 315 horses and frankly it's a bloody superb car and it's nice to be heel toeing for a change as much as I like my Fezzas.
I'm here with Mrs Leg at York Hospital being supportive of my in-laws as my father in law had a stroke and is now wheelchair bound so the poor bd had to ride in the back of their new Fiat Qubo wheelchair car ramp thing in his wheelchair. He looks decidedly pissed off frankly. Much more pissed off than I would be about not getting an LE car, about having 100bhp less than someone else or indeed, finding out from Rambo that I should've bought a McLaren, Performante or whatever it is he's promoting this week. ;-)
So, fk it, enjoy your cars, whatever they may be. Be dead soon, or worse, invalided. Time is a slipping away and Fiat Qubo's and stroen Berlingos watch us with lustful eyes all like wolves stalking an antelope.
Sorry to hear about your Father-in-Law. Your point is very well made. I'm here with Mrs Leg at York Hospital being supportive of my in-laws as my father in law had a stroke and is now wheelchair bound so the poor b
d had to ride in the back of their new Fiat Qubo wheelchair car ramp thing in his wheelchair. He looks decidedly pissed off frankly. Much more pissed off than I would be about not getting an LE car, about having 100bhp less than someone else or indeed, finding out from Rambo that I should've bought a McLaren, Performante or whatever it is he's promoting this week. ;-)So, f
k it, enjoy your cars, whatever they may be. Be dead soon, or worse, invalided. Time is a slipping away and Fiat Qubo's and stroen Berlingos watch us with lustful eyes all like wolves stalking an antelope.Quite a few curious comments on here. Is this brand or that, common or ostentatious, effeminate, mundane? Frippery, nonsense, and marketing-speak! Get thee to a track day! or at least follow _Leg_'s example and give something a good thrashing down a B road, even if its "just" a Boxster (but recall there was a time when a 300+ bhp mid-engined car was a top-end supercar).
For my part I'd like someone to build a track car, specifically not derived from a road car, along the lines of a modern take on the 330P4 or 333SP. Don't care who builds it but want 12 screaming n/a cylinders and less than 1000 kg.
For my part I'd like someone to build a track car, specifically not derived from a road car, along the lines of a modern take on the 330P4 or 333SP. Don't care who builds it but want 12 screaming n/a cylinders and less than 1000 kg.
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