360 CS

[AmoCS]

Have a read.

https://clubstradale.com/differences-between-the-c...

[dang2407]

AmoCS said:

Have a read.

https://clubstradale.com/differences-between-the-c...

A lot of those differences you would feel only on the track. Things like carbon fibre are done anyway by some owners on the std Modenas, and you could get springs and roll-bars for not a lot of money.

So as per my post, if you remove 100kg of weight from a std 360 and add a Capristo, which is not too different from a CS version, is it worth the £100+ difference?

[utgjon]

dang2407 said:

The question for me is how close can you get to CS by taking a std 360, removing weight, and adding a Capristo exhaust? 50kg of weight removal is easy with Li Battery (20kg), exhaust (10kg), and seats (20kg). For sure the next 50kg if feasible...

Engine spec is similar and TCU tune can be reporgrammed.

Would then the £100+ difference in price be justified?

AFAIR, the engine in the CS is a blueprinted version of the same engine with better breathing. The general opinion being that a CS makes all of it's horsepower, with the 360 being more 'italian'.

As with many of these things, you can get close, but what would it be worth after? The market for modified ferraris isn't exactly a winning one.

[WCZ]

dang2407 said:

The question for me is how close can you get to CS by taking a std 360, removing weight, and adding a Capristo exhaust? 50kg of weight removal is easy with Li Battery (20kg), exhaust (10kg), and seats (20kg). For sure the next 50kg if feasible...

Engine spec is similar and TCU tune can be reporgrammed.

Would then the £100+ difference in price be justified?

you could get pretty close for £30k if you didn't go for the body panels imo

[M32GER]

AmoCS said:

This video sums up the CS.

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1...

This video was the entire reason for me buying mine back in 2014..... epic just epic. I wouldn't change a thing about the car and I am otherwise not shy about making big changes if needed

[AmoCS]

M32GER said:

AmoCS said:

This video sums up the CS.

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1...

This video was the entire reason for me buying mine back in 2014..... epic just epic. I wouldn't change a thing about the car and I am otherwise not shy about making big changes if needed

And this -
https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3...

Edited by AmoCS on Tuesday 20th February 16:24

[Candellara]

I'd be wary of buying at the moment - but that's a personal view about the well documented and continued softening of the market.

Owned a 360CS for 18 months and driven many 360's etc

The big thing about the CS is the sound of it. That's why you buy it. It's not that great to drive and not that great round a track. If you drive the thing with Race mode off - it's pretty much like driving a 360 with no carpets in it

Buy a 458 - it's a much more accomplished car - it being much newer etc. If you must have a 360 - buy one with a great sports exhaust and carbon bucket seats

[utgjon]

Candellara said:

It's not that great to drive...

Curious what you'd say was better? For clarity, I'm not saying that it's the best car in the world ever, just curious.

Not sure a boggo 458 is going to be a better long-term financial prospect than a CS, but there you go.

[baypond]

The 458 is of course more accomplished in every way, but my experience of super cars is that the faster and more accomplished they get, the less fulfilling they are to drive on the roads. Press the accelerator and then press the brake immediately, repeat.

My preferred cars are getting slower, lighter and cheaper. CS aside, which is worth every penny, and I hope will never be sold.

[355fiorano]

Ask 10 people get 11 opinions

I think the CS is absolutely worth the drive, current values, future values ... whatever.

Can you convert another car to feel similar? Yes but it will not be a stradale.

Test drive it and if you like it and can afford it, get it. You may make money, you may lose money but its a special car and if you enjoy driving it really is addictive. The feedback, the direction change the poise are superb ...

Of course if you want to buy one not for driving and more for investment then its a completely different consideration.

[Candellara]

utgjon said:

Curious what you'd say was better? For clarity, I'm not saying that it's the best car in the world ever, just curious.

Not sure a boggo 458 is going to be a better long-term financial prospect than a CS, but there you go.

Porsche GT3 & RS. I actually sold the CS because i wasn't really enjoying the drive (and because of the Ferrari mileage issue). It was a bit nervous and twitchy on the rear end at speed for my liking and it was too big and not nimble enough to really enjoy on a b road.

I changed for a 996 GT3 Mk2 - which i found smaller and just more enjoyable. So much so, i changed that for a GT3 RS.

[ca700470]

355fiorano said:

Ask 10 people get 11 opinions

Of course if you want to buy one not for driving and more for investment then its a completely different consideration.

355fiorano, although I’m not looking to buy a CS as an investment, it would be an added bonus.

I defiantly don’t want to buy one and end up losing money, it needs to hold its value.

[johnnyreggae]

ca700470 said:

I defiantly don’t want to buy one and end up losing money, it needs to hold its value.

So in recent months/years CS have lost maybe 50 or 100 k - next year they may or may not depreciate much more but you might get a twenty grand bill - either way ownership costs money so 'losing money' is a pretty much certainty

[WDISMYL]

ca700470 said:

I defiantly don’t want to buy one and end up losing money, it needs to hold its value.

With that attitude I cannot see you ever properly enjoying ownership. It sounds as though you will be constantly fretting about its value?

There is nothing certain about future values, so “definitely not lose money”, “ needs to hold its value” isn’t a good point to start from.

No doubt Ferrari hold their value better than any other brand but to expect to not to lose money is naive.

[355fiorano]

I agree with the above posts that the expectation is you may loose money. My personal feeling is that if you keep it long enough (10yrs+) it will be one of the classics that will appreciate.

In the shorter term I think the risk is high that you may lose money. A main dealer told me just last month that Ferrari does multi million £ flexible finance deals to help people build collections with little downpayment ( LAF + Enzo + F40 +++ ). If these deals start to unwind due to economic/interest rate etc factors there will surely be a negative price impact

[roygarth]

johnnyreggae said:

ca700470 said:

I defiantly don’t want to buy one and end up losing money, it needs to hold its value.

So in recent months/years CS have lost maybe 50 or 100 k - next year they may or may not depreciate much more but you might get a twenty grand bill - either way ownership costs money so 'losing money' is a pretty much certainty

To be more precise, it is RHD prices which have fallen over the last 2 years back down towards LHD prices. LHD prices on the continent have hardly fallen at all.

[355fiorano]

That's very true
Actually after your post I went to the classifieds to check the spread and it seems almost non existent in the current ads. There are some 8k-10k mile cars and some others around 20k with very close asking irrespective of LHD/RHD
Don't know what is selling but I was surprised to see such close pricing !!!

[roygarth]

355fiorano said:

That's very true
Actually after your post I went to the classifieds to check the spread and it seems almost non existent in the current ads. There are some 8k-10k mile cars and some others around 20k with very close asking irrespective of LHD/RHD
Don't know what is selling but I was surprised to see such close pricing !!!

The real anomaly is that on Mobile.de the 3 LHD cars over here are at quite a large discount to similar on continent. I think the market here is dead so vendors of these LHD cars are trying to attract buyers from continent. I sold my LHD 550 to a Danish chap recently and had to be £10k less than continent to attract him.

As far as I can make out, there was no real logical explanation as to why RHD prices went up so much more than LHD? The ratio of cars to people in LHD and RHD countries didn't change. Were there more speculators in UK?

[Candellara]

roygarth said:

The real anomaly is that on Mobile.de the 3 LHD cars over here are at quite a large discount to similar on continent. I think the market here is dead so vendors of these LHD cars are trying to attract buyers from continent. I sold my LHD 550 to a Danish chap recently and had to be £10k less than continent to attract him.

As far as I can make out, there was no real logical explanation as to why RHD prices went up so much more than LHD? The ratio of cars to people in LHD and RHD countries didn't change. Were there more speculators in UK?

The Classic / Modern Classic bubble has burst. Well, actually it hasn't but the market is in a state of flux, nothing selling.

Dealers are trying not to blink but.......this is the precursor to the market deflating. How quick the bubble deflates of course is another matter. Bubbles rarely deflate at a slow controlled rate.

When some dealers or individuals need rid of their car's - prices will drop and we're then into a situation whereby no-one wants to buy in to a falling market.

[sparta6]

Candellara said:

When some dealers or individuals need rid of their car's - prices will drop and we're then into a situation whereby no-one wants to buy in to a falling market.

Depends which way you look at it. A cooling market for some is an opportunity.

I am specifically referring to the classic market, pre-F355, as opposed to the later higher volume cars.

Edited by sparta6 on Friday 2nd March 15:40