Looking at 458, some questions...
Discussion
MrVert said:
Since I sold, I've kept a keen eye on prices of 458's & other supercars, things are definitely on a downward trend. Same for top end houses etc etc, everything is either down a bit or very slow to move. I agree with you in that 458's seem more robust than many similar cars out there, because they're just such great cars. However the current financial climate worries do mean deals are more within reach than 12 months ago.
Out of interest, did you trade in for another car? I've found Ferrari do give you a decent bid to get the next car sold as part of the deal. I think they bid you very fairly.
Yes I did trade it, but I already had two offers on the table, both from franchised main dealers to buy outright at £130k, so you probably correct that the additional included a bit of the margin from my new car. They were also the supping dealer and the was the fourth car of mine that they’ve taken back in. They know the car well and knew it needed nothing doing to get through the pre sale checks. I guess all of this helped.....I agree there are definitely deals to be had. Probably not appropriate to tell you how much I got off my 488 Spider, but apparently the ‘correct spec’ 458 Italia are thin on the ground and still selling quickly at or very close to advertised price.Out of interest, did you trade in for another car? I've found Ferrari do give you a decent bid to get the next car sold as part of the deal. I think they bid you very fairly.
Gibbo205 said:
Already decided on buckets, I found them comfier than the regular seats plus they are like around 20kg lighter per seat, combined with forged wheels your talking pretty much 50kg weight saving.
One last question, I assume the 458 just has a regular AGM or acid battery, so should it fail a replacement can be had from Halfords for around £200 and not £3000 like Mclaren charge for a battery?
I recently replaced the battery in my 458 myself at the end of last year, nothing special about the battery, it's an 096/067. I paid £69 for an Advanced 096xd off ebay.One last question, I assume the 458 just has a regular AGM or acid battery, so should it fail a replacement can be had from Halfords for around £200 and not £3000 like Mclaren charge for a battery?
MY12 cars are easy to spot, you can have the speedo on the left screen with nav/audio etc still shown on the right.
Pre-MY12 cars can't do this and it's not possible to retrofit/upgrade to it.
My 458 didn't have lift and I never missed it, although I did drive very slowly over speed bumps and didn't take it into multi-storeys. The nose on the 458 is a fair bit higher than the F430 (which did ground once for me on speed bumps)
Clutch wear isn't the problem on the 458 as it is on the F430. Make sure to ask about the suspension though, whether the dampers have been replaced at any point. Misting (failure) is a weak point and isn't covered by the F warranty.
Pre-MY12 cars can't do this and it's not possible to retrofit/upgrade to it.
My 458 didn't have lift and I never missed it, although I did drive very slowly over speed bumps and didn't take it into multi-storeys. The nose on the 458 is a fair bit higher than the F430 (which did ground once for me on speed bumps)
Clutch wear isn't the problem on the 458 as it is on the F430. Make sure to ask about the suspension though, whether the dampers have been replaced at any point. Misting (failure) is a weak point and isn't covered by the F warranty.
Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 12th February 17:26
Thanks guys
Its car at Gray Paul Edinburgh, they only just got it so its yet to go through their 190 check and to have major service completed.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
You can see the car is a bit bland, silver wheels, silver calipers and all black interior but otherwise good spec or so I think, others care to comment?
Here is the video:
https://video.citnow.com/vtKVP1Bq3LS
In the video the bonnet looks uneven across front, maybe just latch? I shall call tomorrow and also ask, might just be camera angles and lighting playing tricks.
After some negotiation, agreed on 135k along with carbon lower centre retrofitted, calipers painted yellow, PS4S fitted all around with 190 check, major service and 2yr power warranty.
Anything scream out to anyone as anything wrong with colour, I found 6 owners a bit alarming should I be worried?
With yellow calipers and full paint correction should end up looking like this:
https://www.bramley.com/carsales/details/Ferrari/4...
Was not as keen on a tradition red, but this Rosso Fuoco colour is fabulous and seems a little rarer.
Its car at Gray Paul Edinburgh, they only just got it so its yet to go through their 190 check and to have major service completed.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
You can see the car is a bit bland, silver wheels, silver calipers and all black interior but otherwise good spec or so I think, others care to comment?
Here is the video:
https://video.citnow.com/vtKVP1Bq3LS
In the video the bonnet looks uneven across front, maybe just latch? I shall call tomorrow and also ask, might just be camera angles and lighting playing tricks.
After some negotiation, agreed on 135k along with carbon lower centre retrofitted, calipers painted yellow, PS4S fitted all around with 190 check, major service and 2yr power warranty.
Anything scream out to anyone as anything wrong with colour, I found 6 owners a bit alarming should I be worried?
With yellow calipers and full paint correction should end up looking like this:
https://www.bramley.com/carsales/details/Ferrari/4...
Was not as keen on a tradition red, but this Rosso Fuoco colour is fabulous and seems a little rarer.
Rosso Fuoco is Ferrari's nicest red and much deeper and classier than the default Rosso Corsa..That's a beautiful specced 458 IMO with low miles and great value at £135K compared to others i've seen advertised.
My 61 plate 458 i bought recently also had 6 previous owners which is pretty normal for Ferraris so absolutely no source of concern.
My 61 plate 458 i bought recently also had 6 previous owners which is pretty normal for Ferraris so absolutely no source of concern.
Edited by Taffy66 on Wednesday 13th February 20:08
Taffy66 said:
Rosso Fuoco is Ferrari's nicest red and much deeper and classier than the default Rosso Corsa..That's a beautiful specced 458 IMO with low miles and great value at £135K compared to others i've seen advertised.
My 61 plate 458 i bought recently also had 6 previous owners which is pretty normal for Ferraris so absolutely no source of concern.
Thank you that is good to know. My 61 plate 458 i bought recently also had 6 previous owners which is pretty normal for Ferraris so absolutely no source of concern.
Edited by Taffy66 on Wednesday 13th February 20:08
MDL111 said:
New model out at Geneva though, so imo that will put pressure on prices - sth to consider
It will on 488 prices, but hardly any effect on the 458 IMO as it will always be the last Pininfarina designed mid engine V8 Ferrari..It seems the new model is moving upmarket which will further distance it from 458 prices.However the massive IF, will be when the much mooted lower price point mid engine Dino becomes reality..This could very well tempt many 458 owners(myself included) to upgrade..
They’re a good bunch at Edinburgh, that’s where i’ve got all of my cars from. The front bonnet on one of my 458’s was slightly out of align and quite common from the factory. This was easy realigned by bodyshop and shouldn’t be an issue if you ask for it. I would also ask the to check the wing mirrors are on tight as both my 458’s and 488 needed tightening up which is a door skin off job best done before collection. Get it bought and enjoy!
Edited to add that triple layer red is fantastic but a right pita to colourmatch if need any respray/touch-in. I’ve yet to see a used Ferrari that hasn’t had some paint as the official dealers will always respray front even for smallest stone chips. Not a fan of ppf but i’d definitely consider with this.
Edited to add that triple layer red is fantastic but a right pita to colourmatch if need any respray/touch-in. I’ve yet to see a used Ferrari that hasn’t had some paint as the official dealers will always respray front even for smallest stone chips. Not a fan of ppf but i’d definitely consider with this.
Edited by garystoybox on Wednesday 13th February 23:59
Gibbo205 said:
Thanks guys
Its car at Gray Paul Edinburgh, they only just got it so its yet to go through their 190 check and to have major service completed.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
That's a lovely colour and on the face of it a good deal, especially with the carbon seats.Its car at Gray Paul Edinburgh, they only just got it so its yet to go through their 190 check and to have major service completed.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Number of owners wouldn't overly be of concern, however I think that is possibly one reason it's priced slightly lower. If you're keeping the car for a few years it wouldn't worry me.
Edited by MrVert on Thursday 14th February 09:44
Edinburgh cars always seem to be slightly cheaper than the rest of the Ferrari network. I don't think that's a reflection of the stock, they've always just seemed to be ~£5k cheaper than everywhere else, for some reason. Perhaps its just their location.
I think you've done well if you've got a deal at £135k, especially if you've negotiated them fitting the carbon driver zone, painting the calipers yellow and fitting 4 new tyres (I'm surprised they are doing this).
I've never really dwelled on number of owners on these cars. A lot of owners will be buying it as their dream car and will for a variety of reasons move it on after a year or so. A 2010 car with 6 owners is less than one per year, so would be in line with that.
Fuoco is lovely and will really pop in the sun.
Check the history for damper changes - I had to replace all 4 on mine (also a 2010 car) because 2 of them at opposite ends and sides of the car were misting. It is NOT covered by the Ferrari warranty, though you might get some goodwill from the dealer.
Make sure to ask about the charger and car cover. It will almost certainly not be there as they tend to go missing between owners, but since you're buying it from a main dealer they should be able to chuck in a charger at least for you. In my experience they don't like to be off trickle charge for too long (several days).
I think you've done well if you've got a deal at £135k, especially if you've negotiated them fitting the carbon driver zone, painting the calipers yellow and fitting 4 new tyres (I'm surprised they are doing this).
I've never really dwelled on number of owners on these cars. A lot of owners will be buying it as their dream car and will for a variety of reasons move it on after a year or so. A 2010 car with 6 owners is less than one per year, so would be in line with that.
Fuoco is lovely and will really pop in the sun.
Check the history for damper changes - I had to replace all 4 on mine (also a 2010 car) because 2 of them at opposite ends and sides of the car were misting. It is NOT covered by the Ferrari warranty, though you might get some goodwill from the dealer.
Make sure to ask about the charger and car cover. It will almost certainly not be there as they tend to go missing between owners, but since you're buying it from a main dealer they should be able to chuck in a charger at least for you. In my experience they don't like to be off trickle charge for too long (several days).
Hi there
So I drove a 2012 Black Nero just, with full leather black nero with yellow contrast and every carbon extra. This was a post 2012 car so had all the updates and I could feel every single one:
Brakes: 2012 more assisted, more confidence inspiring, 2010 car much longer pedal, takes time to re-adjust, very much like a GT3! Post 2012 wins here!
Engine noise: 2012 one was actually civilised and quiet, it really made the car well feel more like a normal car, this was not enjoyed, car felt not as urgent at upper RPM, it just felt smooth, guess they maybe tweaked power curves. Pre 2012 wins here!
Gearbox: Much smoother, maybe placebo but maybe a tad quicker and it was certainly holding positive energy in the post 2012 car, even upshifting whilst pootling along in race mode the car was inertia shifting, both good and bad. In race mode it however was not as harsh when you really gave it some and felt more artificial. I'd rate them even here, but again the pre 2012 software makes the car more an event, because in race mode with lights on dash it felt harsher and just more race car.
Suspension: Post 2012 car makes a bigger difference on bumpy road button, much softer, in short like driving a Mondeo soft, just soaked it all up, it goes from firm to soft, whereas pre 2012 car goes from firm to a touch less firmer. For whatever reason either mag ride updates or the tyres on car (super sports) the car felt a bit nervous to me, I had a lot more confidence in the pre 2012 car, but maybe that is MPSS vs PS4S, the pre 2012 car was on near new PS4S, whereas this post 2012 was on 4-5mm super sports, but saying that my M3 is on 4-5yr old super sports they give huge confidence.
In short 2010/11 car was more of an event to drive and still more than comfy enough in auto/bumpy road mode. The 2012 car felt modernised and if anything less Ferrari, less bespoke, it was still awesome but dare I say this it felt more like Huracan in drive train, too accomplished, too artificial and the handling was a tad nervous.
In short I prefer 2010/11 car for sure.
But seeing another black car really throws a spanner in the works, I seriously cannot get over how bloody amazing they look in black, they are simply things of beauty. All being well I am catching train to Scotland Monday to inspect the red one and if all goes well finalise the deal, but for sure the older model I prefer, it feels more mechanical in its nature and more an event.
Driving a 2014 yellow tomorrow so shall be interesting to see how it compares to 2012 but as far as I know all the updates came in 2012 that impacted how the cars drive, only other update was speed display on both screen in 2011.
So I drove a 2012 Black Nero just, with full leather black nero with yellow contrast and every carbon extra. This was a post 2012 car so had all the updates and I could feel every single one:
Brakes: 2012 more assisted, more confidence inspiring, 2010 car much longer pedal, takes time to re-adjust, very much like a GT3! Post 2012 wins here!
Engine noise: 2012 one was actually civilised and quiet, it really made the car well feel more like a normal car, this was not enjoyed, car felt not as urgent at upper RPM, it just felt smooth, guess they maybe tweaked power curves. Pre 2012 wins here!
Gearbox: Much smoother, maybe placebo but maybe a tad quicker and it was certainly holding positive energy in the post 2012 car, even upshifting whilst pootling along in race mode the car was inertia shifting, both good and bad. In race mode it however was not as harsh when you really gave it some and felt more artificial. I'd rate them even here, but again the pre 2012 software makes the car more an event, because in race mode with lights on dash it felt harsher and just more race car.
Suspension: Post 2012 car makes a bigger difference on bumpy road button, much softer, in short like driving a Mondeo soft, just soaked it all up, it goes from firm to soft, whereas pre 2012 car goes from firm to a touch less firmer. For whatever reason either mag ride updates or the tyres on car (super sports) the car felt a bit nervous to me, I had a lot more confidence in the pre 2012 car, but maybe that is MPSS vs PS4S, the pre 2012 car was on near new PS4S, whereas this post 2012 was on 4-5mm super sports, but saying that my M3 is on 4-5yr old super sports they give huge confidence.
In short 2010/11 car was more of an event to drive and still more than comfy enough in auto/bumpy road mode. The 2012 car felt modernised and if anything less Ferrari, less bespoke, it was still awesome but dare I say this it felt more like Huracan in drive train, too accomplished, too artificial and the handling was a tad nervous.
In short I prefer 2010/11 car for sure.
But seeing another black car really throws a spanner in the works, I seriously cannot get over how bloody amazing they look in black, they are simply things of beauty. All being well I am catching train to Scotland Monday to inspect the red one and if all goes well finalise the deal, but for sure the older model I prefer, it feels more mechanical in its nature and more an event.
Driving a 2014 yellow tomorrow so shall be interesting to see how it compares to 2012 but as far as I know all the updates came in 2012 that impacted how the cars drive, only other update was speed display on both screen in 2011.
Gibbo205 said:
Hi there
So I drove a 2012 Black Nero just, with full leather black nero with yellow contrast and every carbon extra. This was a post 2012 car so had all the updates and I could feel every single one:
Brakes: 2012 more assisted, more confidence inspiring, 2010 car much longer pedal, takes time to re-adjust, very much like a GT3! Post 2012 wins here!
Engine noise: 2012 one was actually civilised and quiet, it really made the car well feel more like a normal car, this was not enjoyed, car felt not as urgent at upper RPM, it just felt smooth, guess they maybe tweaked power curves. Pre 2012 wins here!
Gearbox: Much smoother, maybe placebo but maybe a tad quicker and it was certainly holding positive energy in the post 2012 car, even upshifting whilst pootling along in race mode the car was inertia shifting, both good and bad. In race mode it however was not as harsh when you really gave it some and felt more artificial. I'd rate them even here, but again the pre 2012 software makes the car more an event, because in race mode with lights on dash it felt harsher and just more race car.
Suspension: Post 2012 car makes a bigger difference on bumpy road button, much softer, in short like driving a Mondeo soft, just soaked it all up, it goes from firm to soft, whereas pre 2012 car goes from firm to a touch less firmer. For whatever reason either mag ride updates or the tyres on car (super sports) the car felt a bit nervous to me, I had a lot more confidence in the pre 2012 car, but maybe that is MPSS vs PS4S, the pre 2012 car was on near new PS4S, whereas this post 2012 was on 4-5mm super sports, but saying that my M3 is on 4-5yr old super sports they give huge confidence.
In short 2010/11 car was more of an event to drive and still more than comfy enough in auto/bumpy road mode. The 2012 car felt modernised and if anything less Ferrari, less bespoke, it was still awesome but dare I say this it felt more like Huracan in drive train, too accomplished, too artificial and the handling was a tad nervous.
In short I prefer 2010/11 car for sure.
But seeing another black car really throws a spanner in the works, I seriously cannot get over how bloody amazing they look in black, they are simply things of beauty. All being well I am catching train to Scotland Monday to inspect the red one and if all goes well finalise the deal, but for sure the older model I prefer, it feels more mechanical in its nature and more an event.
Driving a 2014 yellow tomorrow so shall be interesting to see how it compares to 2012 but as far as I know all the updates came in 2012 that impacted how the cars drive, only other update was speed display on both screen in 2011.
That's a very comprehensive and helpful post..I bought my first 458 just after Xmas so i'm still familiarising with it..I have yet to drive it hard in Race mode and as its the only 458 i've driven i'm not able to compare different iterations.So I drove a 2012 Black Nero just, with full leather black nero with yellow contrast and every carbon extra. This was a post 2012 car so had all the updates and I could feel every single one:
Brakes: 2012 more assisted, more confidence inspiring, 2010 car much longer pedal, takes time to re-adjust, very much like a GT3! Post 2012 wins here!
Engine noise: 2012 one was actually civilised and quiet, it really made the car well feel more like a normal car, this was not enjoyed, car felt not as urgent at upper RPM, it just felt smooth, guess they maybe tweaked power curves. Pre 2012 wins here!
Gearbox: Much smoother, maybe placebo but maybe a tad quicker and it was certainly holding positive energy in the post 2012 car, even upshifting whilst pootling along in race mode the car was inertia shifting, both good and bad. In race mode it however was not as harsh when you really gave it some and felt more artificial. I'd rate them even here, but again the pre 2012 software makes the car more an event, because in race mode with lights on dash it felt harsher and just more race car.
Suspension: Post 2012 car makes a bigger difference on bumpy road button, much softer, in short like driving a Mondeo soft, just soaked it all up, it goes from firm to soft, whereas pre 2012 car goes from firm to a touch less firmer. For whatever reason either mag ride updates or the tyres on car (super sports) the car felt a bit nervous to me, I had a lot more confidence in the pre 2012 car, but maybe that is MPSS vs PS4S, the pre 2012 car was on near new PS4S, whereas this post 2012 was on 4-5mm super sports, but saying that my M3 is on 4-5yr old super sports they give huge confidence.
In short 2010/11 car was more of an event to drive and still more than comfy enough in auto/bumpy road mode. The 2012 car felt modernised and if anything less Ferrari, less bespoke, it was still awesome but dare I say this it felt more like Huracan in drive train, too accomplished, too artificial and the handling was a tad nervous.
In short I prefer 2010/11 car for sure.
But seeing another black car really throws a spanner in the works, I seriously cannot get over how bloody amazing they look in black, they are simply things of beauty. All being well I am catching train to Scotland Monday to inspect the red one and if all goes well finalise the deal, but for sure the older model I prefer, it feels more mechanical in its nature and more an event.
Driving a 2014 yellow tomorrow so shall be interesting to see how it compares to 2012 but as far as I know all the updates came in 2012 that impacted how the cars drive, only other update was speed display on both screen in 2011.
Mine is a September 2011 built car so i guess it hasn't got the upgraded software which came on 2012 model year. I believe the left hand TFT speedometer option was available from middle 2011 onwards however i still haven't checked on mine..
Very strange that a F dealer would amend the factory spec of a car to get a sale - crazy! Changing brake caliper colour and interior spec is something that an after market dealer usually would look in to but not a main dealer. I say this as the car has a plaque inside with the spec from factory written on it so changing the spec at a dealer seems well weird.
The pre 2012 car with the remote exhaust valve controller is the best sounding thing ever - the burbles on over run are just
The pre 2012 car with the remote exhaust valve controller is the best sounding thing ever - the burbles on over run are just
Edited by W4NTED on Friday 15th February 10:43
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