458 at Colchester

458 at Colchester

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Gameface

16,565 posts

76 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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RSbandit said:
the Ferrari will sound better , of course a Larini exhaust on the Mc would sort that
No it won't. Still won't get close to a 458/Huracan/812/Aventador for aural enjoyment.

LindsayMac

569 posts

201 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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Taffy, l was looking at the other 2 red 458 with 11k and 12k miles respectively but this is a nice spec with I agree the nicer red. One thing though with the 4 point harnesses it appears the omit the standard seat belts, you are a 458 man, is this true? I was used to GT camp in Porsche and you always had the option, normal belts for road use, harness for track c/w HANS.


Taffy66 said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
If i was looking for a 458 Italia today this is the one i'd be looking to buy..Despite avoiding red ones when i was looking for one last year i'd make an exception with Fueco.
This 458 has a fantastic spec and colour coupled with low miles.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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LindsayMac said:
It seems that with Ferrari its either harnesses or belts which seems a bit of a faff..Porsche GT cars have both as you point out..However this particular 458 is stunning if you can live with the harnesses.

RSbandit

2,590 posts

131 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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Gameface said:
No it won't. Still won't get close to a 458/Huracan/812/Aventador for aural enjoyment.
All the cars you mention are significantly more than £90k ... I think I could live with it.

dereksharpuk

179 posts

167 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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My wife had a Porsche GT3 Club Sport with both sets of seat belts. A faff. If one used the normal system the multi-point harnesses get in the way. Unless one was going to track a car, I think the multi-point harnesses are not worth the effort to get in & out of. No interim reel of course.

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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The biggest issue with high 458 prices is the falling price of the 488 and crossover point will probably occur next year.

But as Taffy rightly says it will be the 458 that will probably be the one to keep and is the more memorable drivers car. As with other similar cars spec is critical.

Yes Mclarens appear a great bargain with Ferdi ps £130k 2016 720S (with 18k miles admittedly) and trade bids on 570s in the late £60ks these are tempting cars but a cheap car now only means it will get cheaper still imo whereas the 458 is more likely to hold firm in future years.

PrancingHorses

2,714 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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av185 said:
The biggest issue with high 458 prices is the falling price of the 488 and crossover point will probably occur next year.

But as Taffy rightly says it will be the 458 that will probably be the one to keep and is the more memorable drivers car. As with other similar cars spec is critical.

Yes Mclarens appear a great bargain with Ferdi ps £130k 2016 720S (with 18k miles admittedly) and trade bids on 570s in the late £60ks these are tempting cars but a cheap car now only means it will get cheaper still imo whereas the 458 is more likely to hold firm in future years.
I was recently at a Ferrari event in Marenello test driving the F8 Tributo with a group of around 30 Ferrari owners. Around 15 of these people had moved from a 458 to a 488 and they all said the 488 was a much better car to own. I was really surprised myself as I thought the 488 did not too that well but it was a real eye opener for me.

I think a lot of people like myself who think the 458 is a better car are influenced by forum talk and youtube videos but to hear that the 488 is a better car from real owners means a lot.

The only thing they all said was the 458 sounded better but a capristo can sort that.




davek_964

8,796 posts

174 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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PrancingHorses said:
av185 said:
The biggest issue with high 458 prices is the falling price of the 488 and crossover point will probably occur next year.

But as Taffy rightly says it will be the 458 that will probably be the one to keep and is the more memorable drivers car. As with other similar cars spec is critical.

Yes Mclarens appear a great bargain with Ferdi ps £130k 2016 720S (with 18k miles admittedly) and trade bids on 570s in the late £60ks these are tempting cars but a cheap car now only means it will get cheaper still imo whereas the 458 is more likely to hold firm in future years.
I was recently at a Ferrari event in Marenello test driving the F8 Tributo with a group of around 30 Ferrari owners. Around 15 of these people had moved from a 458 to a 488 and they all said the 488 was a much better car to own. I was really surprised myself as I thought the 488 did not too that well but it was a real eye opener for me.

I think a lot of people like myself who think the 458 is a better car are influenced by forum talk and youtube videos but to hear that the 488 is a better car from real owners means a lot.

The only thing they all said was the 458 sounded better but a capristo can sort that.
I've always thought the 458 would hold values well (last N/A and all that) but I've seen a number of comments like this which suggests that just like any car, the newer model is going to force its prices down.

I think it's still true that a 458 will depreciate slower than a McLaren - it's a well publicised issue that McLaren will need to sort out. But - although I've wanted a 458 for quite a while - when I was shopping for a new car, I didn't seriously consider them. The reality is, I don't buy a car for what it will be worth in 1 / 5 / 10 years time - I buy it for what it can do now, and I assume that I will lose lots of money on it. If I don't - that's a bonus - but there is no guarantee, even on a 458.
For the same price I paid for my 650 spider, I could have had a 458 coupe that was ~5 years older with ~15k more miles on it (and I've also heard plenty of stories which suggest that although the Ferrari warranty might be cheaper, it's less comprehensive). If I'd wanted a 458 Spider, then I'd have had to find ~£40k more - still for an older car with more miles.

I think 458s are great cars - still wouldn't rule out owning one at some point - but if you rule out "what it might be worth when I come to sell" - which I did - then I just couldn't see enough benefits to make it worth so much more than a McLaren.



Crazy4557

671 posts

193 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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davek_964 said:
I've always thought the 458 would hold values well (last N/A and all that) but I've seen a number of comments like this which suggests that just like any car, the newer model is going to force its prices down.

I think it's still true that a 458 will depreciate slower than a McLaren - it's a well publicised issue that McLaren will need to sort out. But - although I've wanted a 458 for quite a while - when I was shopping for a new car, I didn't seriously consider them. The reality is, I don't buy a car for what it will be worth in 1 / 5 / 10 years time - I buy it for what it can do now, and I assume that I will lose lots of money on it. If I don't - that's a bonus - but there is no guarantee, even on a 458.
For the same price I paid for my 650 spider, I could have had a 458 coupe that was ~5 years older with ~15k more miles on it (and I've also heard plenty of stories which suggest that although the Ferrari warranty might be cheaper, it's less comprehensive). If I'd wanted a 458 Spider, then I'd have had to find ~£40k more - still for an older car with more miles.

I think 458s are great cars - still wouldn't rule out owning one at some point - but if you rule out "what it might be worth when I come to sell" - which I did - then I just couldn't see enough benefits to make it worth so much more than a McLaren.
Good points and I completely agree with your comments and I can see McLaren's value steadying based on facts like this that many people just don't get.


f1ten

2,161 posts

152 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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I'm ferrari bias as I belive in the magic.
Got to agree a 90k or lower. 570s is a real bargain. I've driven one and was super impressed, steering and ride and handling are brilliant. Engine noise a disappointment though but for that price, the performance is mega. Would eat My f430 for breakfast sadly!
But the afters sales gripes of having the car off the road for long periods potentially if things go wrong are a real put off for me.

Driven 488s extensively and will agree its a great car around 458s are not exactly rare but I Do think are prettier and they obviously sound better.

Long way if saying, I want a 458 as I love them! However let's not be nieve saying they aren't going to drop In value! They will... Its a car and they made plenty of them. Markets always retreat and if every other similar car drops then 458 will also. If a mac 720s became 120k in 2 yrs time would you buy it or pay 160k for a 458... Most people would have a go with a 720s is my guess.

Taffy66 said:
A nice 570S at say £90K is an absolute bargain IMO and a much better buy over a 458 in value terms..The big difference is that the 458 will one day go up in value.

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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PrancingHorses said:
I was recently at a Ferrari event in Marenello test driving the F8 Tributo with a group of around 30 Ferrari owners. Around 15 of these people had moved from a 458 to a 488 and they all said the 488 was a much better car to own. I was really surprised myself as I thought the 488 did not too that well but it was a real eye opener for me.

I think a lot of people like myself who think the 458 is a better car are influenced by forum talk and youtube videos but to hear that the 488 is a better car from real owners means a lot.

The only thing they all said was the 458 sounded better but a capristo can sort that.
there's also a massive amount of people whereby the 458 was the last ferrari they bought after going from the 360 to the 430 to the 458, having driven the 488 and decided it wasn't worth it



Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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av185 said:
The biggest issue with high 458 prices is the falling price of the 488 and crossover point will probably occur next year.

But as Taffy rightly says it will be the 458 that will probably be the one to keep and is the more memorable drivers car. As with other similar cars spec is critical.

Yes Mclarens appear a great bargain with Ferdi ps £130k 2016 720S (with 18k miles admittedly) and trade bids on 570s in the late £60ks these are tempting cars but a cheap car now only means it will get cheaper still imo whereas the 458 is more likely to hold firm in future years.
I agree with everything you've said here however as a current 458 owner i'm slightly biased.

PrancingHorses

2,714 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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WCZ said:
PrancingHorses said:
I was recently at a Ferrari event in Marenello test driving the F8 Tributo with a group of around 30 Ferrari owners. Around 15 of these people had moved from a 458 to a 488 and they all said the 488 was a much better car to own. I was really surprised myself as I thought the 488 did not too that well but it was a real eye opener for me.

I think a lot of people like myself who think the 458 is a better car are influenced by forum talk and youtube videos but to hear that the 488 is a better car from real owners means a lot.

The only thing they all said was the 458 sounded better but a capristo can sort that.
there's also a massive amount of people whereby the 458 was the last ferrari they bought after going from the 360 to the 430 to the 458, having driven the 488 and decided it wasn't worth it
Absolutely, but they are in the same boat yet again as all those that I spoke to at the event told me they did not think it's worth upgrading to an F8 Tributo from the 488. Once the F8s arrive and some move from the 488 to the F8 the 458 will have to drop further, it's inevitable. The real challenge will be a £125k 720S v a (starting to look and feel dated) 458 at £145k hmmmmmm

sam-naf7u

3 posts

52 months

Wednesday 6th November 2019
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The 458 is a astonishing car ! the prices should rocket because its the last of the big engine v8s. They suffer with a few issues , manifold flexes blow , the odd oil leak , pressure sensors fail inside the gearbox . See if you can get the brake disc wear , its very expensive if the disc warning light comes on the dash!

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Edited by jeremyc on Wednesday 6th November 17:03

PrancingHorses

2,714 posts

206 months

Wednesday 6th November 2019
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sam-naf7u said:
The 458 is a astonishing car ! the prices should rocket because its the last of the big engine v8s. They suffer with a few issues , manifold flexes blow , the odd oil leak , pressure sensors fail inside the gearbox . See if you can get the brake disc wear , its very expensive if the disc warning light comes on the dash!

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Edited by jeremyc on Wednesday 6th November 17:03
Prices are not rocketing like many thought and they are dropping pretty fast. The Speciale will be the last of the NA V8 and if its appreciation you are looking at rather than depreciation then that’s the car!

Chris355

790 posts

195 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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I walked round the Lancaster’s grey 458 today (I don’t live far from it). It’s in excellent condition. Couldn’t find a mark on the bodywork. Interior looked great, with just a tiny bit of wear to drivers seat bolsters (I’m really fussy and it wouldn’t put me off). Personally I’d put the wheels back to silver or grey but that’s a personal choice.