New front engine V8 Ferrari Roma
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Candellara said:
Posted on another thread so...
I was expecting something ground breaking. Out of date already. No battery on board? EV range? Surely Ferrari now have the tech to deliver a 2+2 with 100+ miles EV capability but with a V8 for out of town driving? Shame. Missed opportunity especially when you consider fossil fuelled cars are being phased out. We're only a couple of years out from on-board GPS linked speed limitation, max noise at 67db?
Maybe Ferrari can start to release some truly innovative products rather than relying on their past. I don't think I've been as disappointed in any Ferrari release. I'll await their fossil fuelled SUV in anticipation.
I think i'm looking forward to the Tesla Model Y more than this :-) Perhaps McLaren have something more interesting for release soon?
Am I missing something here as I only skimmed the video? Has this car got the SF90 Powertrain or something along those lines?
If not, yawn - it's been done already and it's a re-hash of tech that's several years old - just clothed in another bodyshell in order to try and prop their numbers up?
5/10 Ferrari! Keep up at the back!
I appreciate the sentiment but you are absolutely delusional if you think any of that is happening within even the next 5 years anywhere in this sector. I was expecting something ground breaking. Out of date already. No battery on board? EV range? Surely Ferrari now have the tech to deliver a 2+2 with 100+ miles EV capability but with a V8 for out of town driving? Shame. Missed opportunity especially when you consider fossil fuelled cars are being phased out. We're only a couple of years out from on-board GPS linked speed limitation, max noise at 67db?
Maybe Ferrari can start to release some truly innovative products rather than relying on their past. I don't think I've been as disappointed in any Ferrari release. I'll await their fossil fuelled SUV in anticipation.
I think i'm looking forward to the Tesla Model Y more than this :-) Perhaps McLaren have something more interesting for release soon?
Am I missing something here as I only skimmed the video? Has this car got the SF90 Powertrain or something along those lines?
If not, yawn - it's been done already and it's a re-hash of tech that's several years old - just clothed in another bodyshell in order to try and prop their numbers up?
5/10 Ferrari! Keep up at the back!
Personally also I don’t want it to, please keep serving up these dinosaurs!
Electric is great for appliance type cars but for anything that needs a soul, that needs to inspire proper irrational lust, it just can’t really cut the mustard. Shoehorning full or hybrid electrical powertrain into something like this compromises space, weight, price, or the ICE powertrain, none of which is really going to feel acceptable...
Venturist said:
I appreciate the sentiment but you are absolutely delusional if you think any of that is happening within even the next 5 years anywhere in this sector.
Personally also I don’t want it to, please keep serving up these dinosaurs!
Electric is great for appliance type cars but for anything that needs a soul, that needs to inspire proper irrational lust, it just can’t really cut the mustard. Shoehorning full or hybrid electrical powertrain into something like this compromises space, weight, price, or the ICE powertrain, none of which is really going to feel acceptable...
^^^^^ this - 100%Personally also I don’t want it to, please keep serving up these dinosaurs!
Electric is great for appliance type cars but for anything that needs a soul, that needs to inspire proper irrational lust, it just can’t really cut the mustard. Shoehorning full or hybrid electrical powertrain into something like this compromises space, weight, price, or the ICE powertrain, none of which is really going to feel acceptable...
Take a look at Porsche Taycan reviews and ask yourself why everyone appreciates it but nobody loves it.
as per my response on another thread. If Tesla can launch a Roadster with the performance figures it states - the technology to have a 100mile+ Hybrid EV combined with a big powerful engine must be already there.
I really can't see the point of launching new cars which are effectively just a bodyshell change with technology and engine design that's already several years old.
Whether we like it or not, in order for Governments to hit any sort of global environmental targets, the automotive sector will have to change beyond recognition over the next decade. I see it as a massive opportunity for the pinnacle manufacturers to be releasing cars that are effectively ground-breaking in their respective field and really pushing the envelope in terms of showcasing the very latest tech. The Ferrari Roma - is clearly not.
I really can't see the point of launching new cars which are effectively just a bodyshell change with technology and engine design that's already several years old.
Whether we like it or not, in order for Governments to hit any sort of global environmental targets, the automotive sector will have to change beyond recognition over the next decade. I see it as a massive opportunity for the pinnacle manufacturers to be releasing cars that are effectively ground-breaking in their respective field and really pushing the envelope in terms of showcasing the very latest tech. The Ferrari Roma - is clearly not.
Candellara said:
as per my response on another thread. If Tesla can launch a Roadster with the performance figures it states - the technology to have a 100mile+ Hybrid EV combined with a big powerful engine must be already there.
I really can't see the point of launching new cars which are effectively just a bodyshell change with technology and engine design that's already several years old.
Whether we like it or not, in order for Governments to hit any sort of global environmental targets, the automotive sector will have to change beyond recognition over the next decade. I see it as a massive opportunity for the pinnacle manufacturers to be releasing cars that are effectively ground-breaking in their respective field and really pushing the envelope in terms of showcasing the very latest tech. The Ferrari Roma - is clearly not.
LaFerrari and McLaren P1 have already demonstrated that technology and the SF90 is the next gen iteration. But look at the battery issues which plague the LaF and P1. And look at the price of the SF90. The technology is not mature enough yet for entry level supercars. So until it is, I guess we’ll have to make do with 5 year old drivetrains in the ‘cooking’ models. I really can't see the point of launching new cars which are effectively just a bodyshell change with technology and engine design that's already several years old.
Whether we like it or not, in order for Governments to hit any sort of global environmental targets, the automotive sector will have to change beyond recognition over the next decade. I see it as a massive opportunity for the pinnacle manufacturers to be releasing cars that are effectively ground-breaking in their respective field and really pushing the envelope in terms of showcasing the very latest tech. The Ferrari Roma - is clearly not.
But I believe that your wish for more hybrid drivetrains will be granted with rumours that the forthcoming releases from Ferrari will be increasingly hybridised.
EDIT: I think I’ve misunderstood your point about 100+mile hybrid. I thought you were referring to speed and not range. I now realise (based on your other posts that you’re thinking range). 100 mile EV range is not optimal for a hybrid (and why would you want one?) The weight penalty is simply too high.
Edited by ANOpax on Friday 15th November 10:39
If you took the badges off it, you would be hard pushed to recognise this as a Ferrari.
If this was launched by Jaguar as the replacement to the XK using the styling clues from the F Type, I would think it worked. As the next chapter of the rich Ferrari heritage, its a total disappointment IMHO.
If this was launched by Jaguar as the replacement to the XK using the styling clues from the F Type, I would think it worked. As the next chapter of the rich Ferrari heritage, its a total disappointment IMHO.
Candellara said:
as per my response on another thread. If Tesla can launch a Roadster with the performance figures it states - the technology to have a 100mile+ Hybrid EV combined with a big powerful engine must be already there.
I really can't see the point of launching new cars which are effectively just a bodyshell change with technology and engine design that's already several years old.
Whether we like it or not, in order for Governments to hit any sort of global environmental targets, the automotive sector will have to change beyond recognition over the next decade. I see it as a massive opportunity for the pinnacle manufacturers to be releasing cars that are effectively ground-breaking in their respective field and really pushing the envelope in terms of showcasing the very latest tech. The Ferrari Roma - is clearly not.
It is hardly as if the 10k Ferraris a year have any material impact on environmental targets given the low mileage most of them do.I really can't see the point of launching new cars which are effectively just a bodyshell change with technology and engine design that's already several years old.
Whether we like it or not, in order for Governments to hit any sort of global environmental targets, the automotive sector will have to change beyond recognition over the next decade. I see it as a massive opportunity for the pinnacle manufacturers to be releasing cars that are effectively ground-breaking in their respective field and really pushing the envelope in terms of showcasing the very latest tech. The Ferrari Roma - is clearly not.
I want a V12 Lusso successor that has enough battery range to get me to my flat in the city center - call it a comfortable 30-40km with a little margin for error - so I can continue to drive a V12 while adhering to the stringent standards
I don't eat meat, I save water and electricity where I can, I try to mostly buy local food products and not stuff that gets shipped in from other continents, I try not to buy new stuff/replace stuff if it is not needed etc etc - so at least leave me my V12 to drive, I have no real interest in an electric car .... could always increase taxes on petrol substantially to force people to use less of it, I suspect that would not be popular though and not lead to re-election, ergo no politician in power will push it
The Surveyor said:
If you took the badges off it, you would be hard pushed to recognise this as a Ferrari.
If this was launched by Jaguar as the replacement to the XK using the styling clues from the F Type, I would think it worked. As the next chapter of the rich Ferrari heritage, its a total disappointment IMHO.
I'm you with here. I'm a big Ferrari fan and look forward to any new product launch but the was a bit 'meh'. I appreciate they can't keep regurgitating tired old styling cues but I'm struggling to see anything 'Ferrari' here. And it seems they're still trying find their way with the front engined V8 models. Plus some of the recent specials look rather try-hard, with scoops and wings etc. If this was launched by Jaguar as the replacement to the XK using the styling clues from the F Type, I would think it worked. As the next chapter of the rich Ferrari heritage, its a total disappointment IMHO.
The 458 was the last model that just worked IMO, so the in-house post-Pininfarina days haven't all been bad. It just feels like it's been a while since a model launch generated a similar response. However I guess there are going to be plenty more new models over the next few years so we'll see...
Candellara said:
...I really can't see the point of launching new cars which are effectively just a bodyshell change with technology and engine design that's already several years old./.
The point is that they are a business and they want to make money. Do you think they won't sell any Romas? The market is there (not that I'm a fan of it personally, but that's beside the point) and I imagine the development was pretty cheap so the profit margins will be looking quite handy. If you want a Tesla then go and buy one. Otherwise you can have a LaFerrari or an SF90 if you want hybrid and it is pretty clear that's the direction things are going in. In the meantime, thank God there are still a few options to enjoy the best of the petrol engine while we still can.
I think it looks more like a 612 than a DB11 personally. The first image I saw I was blown away but the more I've seen the less I like the front.
Then the price - The fact you can get a barely used DBS for the same money, or a barely used DB11 for £50k less makes this a tougher sell imho - I think at £160k with a spec you'd want this would be a no brainer for a lot of people in that part of the market but at £200k, with the almost obligatory minimum option spend, I think they will find it a lot harder to shift.
Strikes me that now manufacturers are struggling with volume, they're going for transaction value/margin.
Then the price - The fact you can get a barely used DBS for the same money, or a barely used DB11 for £50k less makes this a tougher sell imho - I think at £160k with a spec you'd want this would be a no brainer for a lot of people in that part of the market but at £200k, with the almost obligatory minimum option spend, I think they will find it a lot harder to shift.
Strikes me that now manufacturers are struggling with volume, they're going for transaction value/margin.
MDL111 said:
It is hardly as if the 10k Ferraris a year have any material impact on environmental targets given the low mileage most of them do.
I want a V12 Lusso successor that has enough battery range to get me to my flat in the city center - call it a comfortable 30-40km with a little margin for error - so I can continue to drive a V12 while adhering to the stringent standards
I don't eat meat, I save water and electricity where I can, I try to mostly buy local food products and not stuff that gets shipped in from other continents, I try not to buy new stuff/replace stuff if it is not needed etc etc - so at least leave me my V12 to drive, I have no real interest in an electric car .... could always increase taxes on petrol substantially to force people to use less of it, I suspect that would not be popular though and not lead to re-election, ergo no politician in power will push it
+1I want a V12 Lusso successor that has enough battery range to get me to my flat in the city center - call it a comfortable 30-40km with a little margin for error - so I can continue to drive a V12 while adhering to the stringent standards
I don't eat meat, I save water and electricity where I can, I try to mostly buy local food products and not stuff that gets shipped in from other continents, I try not to buy new stuff/replace stuff if it is not needed etc etc - so at least leave me my V12 to drive, I have no real interest in an electric car .... could always increase taxes on petrol substantially to force people to use less of it, I suspect that would not be popular though and not lead to re-election, ergo no politician in power will push it
10,000 new ICE Ferraris have zero impact on the Amazonian trees.
Better that China, Russia, India etc start meeting some targets with their coal burning activities.
And stop el cheapo flights, that includes you Ryan Air and EasyJet, from farting their way around Europe with bargain booze binge customers.
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