Thinking of selling my Evora S and getting an F360
Discussion
So some quick questions if thats ok.
This will be my first Ferrari, I have driven a couple of 360's, found them to be slighter quicker than the Evora with slightly more grip and sightly less steering feel, but despite the differences in real terms being small, I have always hankered after a Ferrari.
The problem I have is that my garage is too narrow for the Evora and will definitely be too narrow for a 360, so can a 360 (probably a coupe) live outside?
How temperamental are they if they stand for a month without being driven?
What do people really think of the F1 box? I found it a bit annoying and not as good as the IPS box in my Evora, but I have more cars to choose from if I consider an F1 (F1 is fine in the 575 I drove, I think it suits the car better)
How much does it cost to get those sticky plastics sorted and do refinished ones stay non sticky
Am I better with an early car or a later one (I like the idea of Zenons
Any particular must haves?
Thanks in advance
This will be my first Ferrari, I have driven a couple of 360's, found them to be slighter quicker than the Evora with slightly more grip and sightly less steering feel, but despite the differences in real terms being small, I have always hankered after a Ferrari.
The problem I have is that my garage is too narrow for the Evora and will definitely be too narrow for a 360, so can a 360 (probably a coupe) live outside?
How temperamental are they if they stand for a month without being driven?
What do people really think of the F1 box? I found it a bit annoying and not as good as the IPS box in my Evora, but I have more cars to choose from if I consider an F1 (F1 is fine in the 575 I drove, I think it suits the car better)
How much does it cost to get those sticky plastics sorted and do refinished ones stay non sticky
Am I better with an early car or a later one (I like the idea of Zenons
Any particular must haves?
Thanks in advance
A 360 could quite happily live outside I'd say but they're hardly a new car anymore and outdoor living won't help keep it in tip-top condition. I'd much, much prefer to keep one indoors, or at least under a decent car port if the garage is out of the question. Certainly try to protect it from the worst of the elements and potential leaks.
A month without being driven shouldn't pose problems, keep a battery tender hooked up when you're not using it. If the batteries run down it can create a few niggles for you. Keep it topped up and healthy and you're good to go.
The F1 box is a case of personal choice. In stop-start traffic (not really what you buy a Ferrari for if we're honest) I'd go for the three pedal version. On the open road the F1 is lovely. People grumble because the technology's moved on but actually the system is rather good. Don't believe the bs, make your own mind up and remember, it's the same gearbox in both variants after all. The TCU (trans ecu) porogressd over the life of the 360, with the later ones ironing out some of the gripes of the earlier versions. The units can be changed, with the version fitted to the Challenge Stradale probably being the most desirable part (read-expensive!). We fitted the CS version to our early car and it made a positive difference.
Drive both, learn for yourself and then decide. Good luck with your search.
A month without being driven shouldn't pose problems, keep a battery tender hooked up when you're not using it. If the batteries run down it can create a few niggles for you. Keep it topped up and healthy and you're good to go.
The F1 box is a case of personal choice. In stop-start traffic (not really what you buy a Ferrari for if we're honest) I'd go for the three pedal version. On the open road the F1 is lovely. People grumble because the technology's moved on but actually the system is rather good. Don't believe the bs, make your own mind up and remember, it's the same gearbox in both variants after all. The TCU (trans ecu) porogressd over the life of the 360, with the later ones ironing out some of the gripes of the earlier versions. The units can be changed, with the version fitted to the Challenge Stradale probably being the most desirable part (read-expensive!). We fitted the CS version to our early car and it made a positive difference.
Drive both, learn for yourself and then decide. Good luck with your search.
Edited by Kyodo on Sunday 15th December 17:30
mwstewart said:
I can't help but think that a 360 is a downgrade from an Evora. Would it be possible for you to stretch to an F430?
Interesting, what makes you think that? Obviously the Ferrari is older and in many ways dated, but in other ways it’s a classic and in my eyes especially in manual form is the last analogue Ferrari. I've had my 360 for 6 years. I've had a McLaren for 3 months.
I haven't used the 360 much since buying the McLaren - mostly because it's in a tight garage and the McLaren is a semi daily car. But when I do, the Ferrari still has something I've not found in the McLaren.
The McLaren is about 15 years newer, faster, handles better etc etc.
The 360 is still brilliant. Different, but not a backwards step in my opinion.
I haven't used the 360 much since buying the McLaren - mostly because it's in a tight garage and the McLaren is a semi daily car. But when I do, the Ferrari still has something I've not found in the McLaren.
The McLaren is about 15 years newer, faster, handles better etc etc.
The 360 is still brilliant. Different, but not a backwards step in my opinion.
blueg33 said:
Interesting, what makes you think that?
Because he has a F430! lol, and a very nice one at that.
blueg33 said:
Obviously the Ferrari is older and in many ways dated, but in other ways it’s a classic and in my eyes especially in manual form is the last analogue Ferrari.
Believe me, the F1 feels pretty analogue too, especially compared to more modern machinery 
I've had my 2000 360 for five years and apart from regular servicing and wear and tear maintenance its been completely reliable.
As an early F1 the TCU was the first thing I upgraded to a Challenge Stradale unit, much smoother, no overheating clutch and clutch wear around 1% for every 1k miles. This cost a round £2.5k. Also added the original CS silencer which was around £1.5k. I believe the two bits are very difficult to find nowadays.
430 is probably a better car to drive, but I'm not sure about the design. Also the exhaust note is more low down, rather than high pitched scream of the 360. Budget may be £20k higher for a equivalent condition 430.
I kept mine outside for a year under cover, but you do get condensation on and within the car over winter, now have a garage with dehumidifier so no issues. I have no aluminium corrosion, but believe this may be an issue if kept outside and wet over a longer period.
I did have mine for sale a while ago, but as its a weekend toy struggling with what to replace it with for a budget of 75k, so will use it more over the summer. 458 another £50k, for something I only find time to do 1-2k miles per year doesn't sit right with me.
As an early F1 the TCU was the first thing I upgraded to a Challenge Stradale unit, much smoother, no overheating clutch and clutch wear around 1% for every 1k miles. This cost a round £2.5k. Also added the original CS silencer which was around £1.5k. I believe the two bits are very difficult to find nowadays.
430 is probably a better car to drive, but I'm not sure about the design. Also the exhaust note is more low down, rather than high pitched scream of the 360. Budget may be £20k higher for a equivalent condition 430.
I kept mine outside for a year under cover, but you do get condensation on and within the car over winter, now have a garage with dehumidifier so no issues. I have no aluminium corrosion, but believe this may be an issue if kept outside and wet over a longer period.
I did have mine for sale a while ago, but as its a weekend toy struggling with what to replace it with for a budget of 75k, so will use it more over the summer. 458 another £50k, for something I only find time to do 1-2k miles per year doesn't sit right with me.
offshoreeddy said:
Previously driven both a 360 and a 430.
360 had more character but less well built and less power than a 430, but in real world it's still 400bhp in a relatively light car. The 360 went, I kept the 430 for two years and wished I'd sold the 430 and kept the 360 in the end.
However if you do plump for a 360, I have a barely-used custom made Stormshield tailor made cover for a 360, complete with bag, absolutely as new...
https://www.specialisedcovers.com/stormshield-car-...
Did yours live outside? 360 had more character but less well built and less power than a 430, but in real world it's still 400bhp in a relatively light car. The 360 went, I kept the 430 for two years and wished I'd sold the 430 and kept the 360 in the end.
However if you do plump for a 360, I have a barely-used custom made Stormshield tailor made cover for a 360, complete with bag, absolutely as new...
https://www.specialisedcovers.com/stormshield-car-...
Having had 2 x 360s and 3 x F430s I can say that the F430 is the much better drive, but I prefer the sound of the 360 better. However, you will find the F1 gearbox quite jerky, and a problem reversing slowly out of a garage (not a problem in your case). Moreover, though the very latest F1 gearbox is far better than that in the early 360, it still is no match for a modern twin clutch gearbox. Personally I would not keep any decent car outside in the elements. Apart from the problems associated with dirt and acid rain, when water freezes it expands and that can cause real problems with a car. OK, a good cover will sort that out, but is a sod to put back on in the wind. Moreover, it can scratch the paintwork. In short, don't keep a decent car outside, rent a garage somewhere close. Finally, even a non-heated garage can cause problems. Mainly in winter, after a cold spell, when the weather brings warm moist air, moisture condenses out on the vehicle including non painted parts. That will cause rust in the cylinders, so it is important to run the engine fairly often. I use 'Camguard' as an oil additive in my aeroplane, but not sure if it is approved for Ferrari
Edited by dereksharpuk on Tuesday 17th December 09:34
Edited by dereksharpuk on Tuesday 17th December 19:19
My problem is that living in a village there are no garages to rent, and I cant extend mine without spending more than the cost of a F360 or moving house (not an option).
I tend to use my cars rather than just park them up and admire them. I am on my second Evora and both have lived outside with no issues apart from usual Evora niggles that they all have. My cars want for nothing, so if something needs doing it gets done
But I am conscious that Italian thoroughbreds could be more temperamental. I am adverse to covers as they do scratch the paint. Want to be able to jump in and go for a drive whenever I want without loads of faffing about.
Hmm dilemma.
In terms of the gearboxess. I have driven one manual and one early F1. It seems like I need to drive a late F1. Typically how hard is it to source a later TCU and get the CS map flashed onto it? (note, I do have to reverse onto my drive)
Is there a UK based sticky switch sorter outerer?
Sorry for all the questions. I have read the buyers guides but its always useful to add to those by asking specific questions of people that have the cars.
F430 - nice but probably a bit too much (2 expensive parasites at uni
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I tend to use my cars rather than just park them up and admire them. I am on my second Evora and both have lived outside with no issues apart from usual Evora niggles that they all have. My cars want for nothing, so if something needs doing it gets done
But I am conscious that Italian thoroughbreds could be more temperamental. I am adverse to covers as they do scratch the paint. Want to be able to jump in and go for a drive whenever I want without loads of faffing about.
Hmm dilemma.
In terms of the gearboxess. I have driven one manual and one early F1. It seems like I need to drive a late F1. Typically how hard is it to source a later TCU and get the CS map flashed onto it? (note, I do have to reverse onto my drive)
Is there a UK based sticky switch sorter outerer?
Sorry for all the questions. I have read the buyers guides but its always useful to add to those by asking specific questions of people that have the cars.
F430 - nice but probably a bit too much (2 expensive parasites at uni
)How about a F355? Arguably the best sounding V8 Ferrari ever made. It’s smaller than the 360/430 generation of cars but still has enough wallop not to be embarrassed by a golf GTi at the lights.
Perhaps it might fit your garage.
EFA of car widths - my first source on the width of the Evora was wrong.
Perhaps it might fit your garage.
EFA of car widths - my first source on the width of the Evora was wrong.
Edited by ANOpax on Tuesday 17th December 10:19
Edited by ANOpax on Tuesday 17th December 10:19
ANOpax said:
How about a F355? Arguably the best sounding V8 Ferrari ever made and 10.5cm narrower than your Evora so it should fit your garage.
It’s significantly smaller than the 360/430 generation of cars but still has enough wallop not to be embarrassed by a golf GTi at the lights.
Thought about that, but its a real step back from the Evora and doesn't float my boat. I have driven one a few times. Irrationally, if I am going older than the 360 then for me its a 308, but thats a totally different proposition as dynamically its nowhere near the newer cars and is more of an art piece than a toy - all IMO of courseIt’s significantly smaller than the 360/430 generation of cars but still has enough wallop not to be embarrassed by a golf GTi at the lights.
Can I suggest you call Aldous Voice at AV Engineering and discuss your concerns about 360 ECU upgrades etc. He will be quite happy to go through ownership prospects for both 360 & 430. He has owned both and truly is an expert on the subject.
(He is rebuilding my 360 engine at the moment)
http://www.avengineeringltd.com/
(He is rebuilding my 360 engine at the moment)
http://www.avengineeringltd.com/
my 355 lived outside in London for probably 40% of the time, didn't have any problems caused by that. I would probably still get a cover for it though if you are parking on your drive
I personally much prefer the way the 360 looks and sounds to the 430 - personal choice
Good luck with your search
I personally much prefer the way the 360 looks and sounds to the 430 - personal choice
Good luck with your search
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