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lambo666 said:
several points in that video show how easy it wheel spins (I had the same with properly warm tires), it drives so easy to the point that it is not in any way exciting to drive at normal speeds, and the sound it makes is sports car at best (not supercar).
It looks very nice, especially in that blue, but I was dissapointed with the lack of any thrill / excitement.
It might be nice and fast round a dry track, but as a supercar for the road it just lacks excitement.
It wasn't until I drove one of these that I now totally understand why 458's are still such strong money.
Don't order or spec one of these until you have driven one....
Agree with everything you say.It looks very nice, especially in that blue, but I was dissapointed with the lack of any thrill / excitement.
It might be nice and fast round a dry track, but as a supercar for the road it just lacks excitement.
It wasn't until I drove one of these that I now totally understand why 458's are still such strong money.
Don't order or spec one of these until you have driven one....
I found my drive in one pretty dull and also a little scary how easily it loses traction in the dry; coming off a normal roundabout with a little throttle and thinking I was going to crash was something I never experienced in my 458.
lambo666 said:
several points in that video show how easy it wheel spins (I had the same with properly warm tires), it drives so easy to the point that it is not in any way exciting to drive at normal speeds, and the sound it makes is sports car at best (not supercar).
It looks very nice, especially in that blue, but I was dissapointed with the lack of any thrill / excitement.
It might be nice and fast round a dry track, but as a supercar for the road it just lacks excitement.
It wasn't until I drove one of these that I now totally understand why 458's are still such strong money.
Don't order or spec one of these until you have driven one....
Is anyone surprised it spins up in race mode with any level of throttle provocation?It looks very nice, especially in that blue, but I was dissapointed with the lack of any thrill / excitement.
It might be nice and fast round a dry track, but as a supercar for the road it just lacks excitement.
It wasn't until I drove one of these that I now totally understand why 458's are still such strong money.
Don't order or spec one of these until you have driven one....
He says himself he doesn't have the restraint to own/drive one on the highly policed UK roads.
Many options..... driving something slower and less powerful at 9/10ths, but then you could also drive an F8 at 3/10ths.
No right/wrong answers, pay your money take your choice. An ageing classic, an 8yr old 458, an Elise ..... etc....
I have owned a 458 for 4 years and am changing up to an F8 next week!
I find the 458 owners “defending” their cars against the 488 and now F8 very akin to the behaviour of McLaren owners and it’s getting boring tbh. Having to defend their cars values and performance on every V8 Ferrari thread!
The 458 is a fantastic car don’t get me wrong but to say it’s better than an F8 is just silly. 20 mins in a test drive won’t even have warmed up your tyres so of course id you floor it there will be wheelspin!
I was lucky to be invited to Marenello to test drive the F8 for a whole two days. Driving along the twisting and scenic mountain roads near the factory on day one followed by an entire track day at the Fiorano race track and also a factory tour to appreciate the tech behind the F8!
The F8 is spell binding. There is no comparison to a 458 this completely blows it away. The 458 obviously sounds better being NA and handles a bit better but then it’s a much slower car than this so of course would be easier to handle. The F8 is currently the fastest car in it’s category that one can buy.
458 owners have been going on for years (must admit I did a bit too!) about how they will never drop in value, that they will appreciate due to being the last naturally aspirated V8 blah blah blah but reality is that they have dropped in value just like other models have. Even the Speciale has lost £100k over the past year so forum talks can’t save values of cars so please lets stop this!
Go out and Enjoy the choice given...£120k 458, £150k 488 and soon a £200k F8. Given the gap in performance and tech I am happy to spend the £80k more over a 458 it is well worth it IMHO.
Now I shall wait to be flamed by the 458 posse of Pistonheads but sorry said it as it is...it’s getting tiring....please stop
I find the 458 owners “defending” their cars against the 488 and now F8 very akin to the behaviour of McLaren owners and it’s getting boring tbh. Having to defend their cars values and performance on every V8 Ferrari thread!
The 458 is a fantastic car don’t get me wrong but to say it’s better than an F8 is just silly. 20 mins in a test drive won’t even have warmed up your tyres so of course id you floor it there will be wheelspin!
I was lucky to be invited to Marenello to test drive the F8 for a whole two days. Driving along the twisting and scenic mountain roads near the factory on day one followed by an entire track day at the Fiorano race track and also a factory tour to appreciate the tech behind the F8!
The F8 is spell binding. There is no comparison to a 458 this completely blows it away. The 458 obviously sounds better being NA and handles a bit better but then it’s a much slower car than this so of course would be easier to handle. The F8 is currently the fastest car in it’s category that one can buy.
458 owners have been going on for years (must admit I did a bit too!) about how they will never drop in value, that they will appreciate due to being the last naturally aspirated V8 blah blah blah but reality is that they have dropped in value just like other models have. Even the Speciale has lost £100k over the past year so forum talks can’t save values of cars so please lets stop this!
Go out and Enjoy the choice given...£120k 458, £150k 488 and soon a £200k F8. Given the gap in performance and tech I am happy to spend the £80k more over a 458 it is well worth it IMHO.
Now I shall wait to be flamed by the 458 posse of Pistonheads but sorry said it as it is...it’s getting tiring....please stop
W4NTED said:
I have owned a 458 for 4 years and am changing up to an F8 next week!
I find the 458 owners “defending” their cars against the 488 and now F8 very akin to the behaviour of McLaren owners and it’s getting boring tbh. Having to defend their cars values and performance on every V8 Ferrari thread!
The 458 is a fantastic car don’t get me wrong but to say it’s better than an F8 is just silly. 20 mins in a test drive won’t even have warmed up your tyres so of course id you floor it there will be wheelspin!
I was lucky to be invited to Marenello to test drive the F8 for a whole two days. Driving along the twisting and scenic mountain roads near the factory on day one followed by an entire track day at the Fiorano race track and also a factory tour to appreciate the tech behind the F8!
The F8 is spell binding. There is no comparison to a 458 this completely blows it away. The 458 obviously sounds better being NA and handles a bit better but then it’s a much slower car than this so of course would be easier to handle. The F8 is currently the fastest car in it’s category that one can buy.
458 owners have been going on for years (must admit I did a bit too!) about how they will never drop in value, that they will appreciate due to being the last naturally aspirated V8 blah blah blah but reality is that they have dropped in value just like other models have. Even the Speciale has lost £100k over the past year so forum talks can’t save values of cars so please lets stop this!
Go out and Enjoy the choice given...£120k 458, £150k 488 and soon a £200k F8. Given the gap in performance and tech I am happy to spend the £80k more over a 458 it is well worth it IMHO.
Now I shall wait to be flamed by the 458 posse of Pistonheads but sorry said it as it is...it’s getting tiring....please stop
Great postI find the 458 owners “defending” their cars against the 488 and now F8 very akin to the behaviour of McLaren owners and it’s getting boring tbh. Having to defend their cars values and performance on every V8 Ferrari thread!
The 458 is a fantastic car don’t get me wrong but to say it’s better than an F8 is just silly. 20 mins in a test drive won’t even have warmed up your tyres so of course id you floor it there will be wheelspin!
I was lucky to be invited to Marenello to test drive the F8 for a whole two days. Driving along the twisting and scenic mountain roads near the factory on day one followed by an entire track day at the Fiorano race track and also a factory tour to appreciate the tech behind the F8!
The F8 is spell binding. There is no comparison to a 458 this completely blows it away. The 458 obviously sounds better being NA and handles a bit better but then it’s a much slower car than this so of course would be easier to handle. The F8 is currently the fastest car in it’s category that one can buy.
458 owners have been going on for years (must admit I did a bit too!) about how they will never drop in value, that they will appreciate due to being the last naturally aspirated V8 blah blah blah but reality is that they have dropped in value just like other models have. Even the Speciale has lost £100k over the past year so forum talks can’t save values of cars so please lets stop this!
Go out and Enjoy the choice given...£120k 458, £150k 488 and soon a £200k F8. Given the gap in performance and tech I am happy to spend the £80k more over a 458 it is well worth it IMHO.
Now I shall wait to be flamed by the 458 posse of Pistonheads but sorry said it as it is...it’s getting tiring....please stop
W4NTED said:
I have owned a 458 for 4 years and am changing up to an F8 next week!
I find the 458 owners “defending” their cars against the 488 and now F8 very akin to the behaviour of McLaren owners and it’s getting boring tbh. Having to defend their cars values and performance on every V8 Ferrari thread!
The 458 is a fantastic car don’t get me wrong but to say it’s better than an F8 is just silly. 20 mins in a test drive won’t even have warmed up your tyres so of course id you floor it there will be wheelspin!
I was lucky to be invited to Marenello to test drive the F8 for a whole two days. Driving along the twisting and scenic mountain roads near the factory on day one followed by an entire track day at the Fiorano race track and also a factory tour to appreciate the tech behind the F8!
The F8 is spell binding. There is no comparison to a 458 this completely blows it away. The 458 obviously sounds better being NA and handles a bit better but then it’s a much slower car than this so of course would be easier to handle. The F8 is currently the fastest car in it’s category that one can buy.
458 owners have been going on for years (must admit I did a bit too!) about how they will never drop in value, that they will appreciate due to being the last naturally aspirated V8 blah blah blah but reality is that they have dropped in value just like other models have. Even the Speciale has lost £100k over the past year so forum talks can’t save values of cars so please lets stop this!
Go out and Enjoy the choice given...£120k 458, £150k 488 and soon a £200k F8. Given the gap in performance and tech I am happy to spend the £80k more over a 458 it is well worth it IMHO.
Now I shall wait to be flamed by the 458 posse of Pistonheads but sorry said it as it is...it’s getting tiring....please stop
Hi Wanted, as above a great post, but I’m afraid you are doomed to failure.I find the 458 owners “defending” their cars against the 488 and now F8 very akin to the behaviour of McLaren owners and it’s getting boring tbh. Having to defend their cars values and performance on every V8 Ferrari thread!
The 458 is a fantastic car don’t get me wrong but to say it’s better than an F8 is just silly. 20 mins in a test drive won’t even have warmed up your tyres so of course id you floor it there will be wheelspin!
I was lucky to be invited to Marenello to test drive the F8 for a whole two days. Driving along the twisting and scenic mountain roads near the factory on day one followed by an entire track day at the Fiorano race track and also a factory tour to appreciate the tech behind the F8!
The F8 is spell binding. There is no comparison to a 458 this completely blows it away. The 458 obviously sounds better being NA and handles a bit better but then it’s a much slower car than this so of course would be easier to handle. The F8 is currently the fastest car in it’s category that one can buy.
458 owners have been going on for years (must admit I did a bit too!) about how they will never drop in value, that they will appreciate due to being the last naturally aspirated V8 blah blah blah but reality is that they have dropped in value just like other models have. Even the Speciale has lost £100k over the past year so forum talks can’t save values of cars so please lets stop this!
Go out and Enjoy the choice given...£120k 458, £150k 488 and soon a £200k F8. Given the gap in performance and tech I am happy to spend the £80k more over a 458 it is well worth it IMHO.
Now I shall wait to be flamed by the 458 posse of Pistonheads but sorry said it as it is...it’s getting tiring....please stop
There are still threads about how the 360 is better than a 430, the 12C is the purest form new age McLaren, the old skool mark1 Gallardo SL is better than the gen2 and so on.
In almost every measure the newer cars are better than the old ones but there is still room for the emotional aspects of sound, feel, aesthetics etc which will never be resolved.
Enjoy your new car when it arrives, post some pics, but above all get out there and drive it for yourself and don’t worry about the naysayers.
Better is a subjective term, it depends what you are after - for me a 360 was better than a 430, so thats what I bought, I could have had either.
But the F8 is superb, I thoroughly enjoyed my day driving one and if I had the money, I would be ordering one, its one of the few Ferrari's i have driven that as well as being properly fast, its docile and livable even when trundling around town when most of the other are just bloody annoying.
I loved the performance, the balance, the grip and styling is spot on IMO.
I am jealous - what colour and spec have you gone for? Please say you went for red crackle on the engine rather than carbon fibre.
But the F8 is superb, I thoroughly enjoyed my day driving one and if I had the money, I would be ordering one, its one of the few Ferrari's i have driven that as well as being properly fast, its docile and livable even when trundling around town when most of the other are just bloody annoying.
I loved the performance, the balance, the grip and styling is spot on IMO.
I am jealous - what colour and spec have you gone for? Please say you went for red crackle on the engine rather than carbon fibre.
I agree 100% with W4NTED word for word. I owned a 458 for two years and switched to a 488 a few months ago and zero regrets. The latter is a much better car but i do understand the love for the 458. I had an extended test drive in a F8 last August and agree its an even better car than the 488 with a less performance increase compared to the 488 over the 458.
X-Box said:
cayman-black said:
PrancingHorses said:
Just been offered £25k off a cancelled order!
Wow, how things do change.I deliberately declined an invitation to test drive the F8 because I know perfectly well that if I drove one I’d want to buy one and I am now struggling with the current rate of depreciation on new Ferraris vs, say, 10 to 15 years ago. In my defence I am now an OAP, albeit a quite well off one.
RevsPerMinute said:
I know someone who cancelled and lost his deposit. He since changed his mind and went on to buy the unsold 812 at a bigger discount than his lost deposit, so ended up saving money!
That sure is an "very cloud has a silver lining" moment 
Optimal solution would have been to have both though
W4NTED said:
I have owned a 458 for 4 years and am changing up to an F8 next week!
I find the 458 owners “defending” their cars against the 488 and now F8 very akin to the behaviour of McLaren owners and it’s getting boring tbh. Having to defend their cars values and performance on every V8 Ferrari thread!
The 458 is a fantastic car don’t get me wrong but to say it’s better than an F8 is just silly. 20 mins in a test drive won’t even have warmed up your tyres so of course id you floor it there will be wheelspin!
I was lucky to be invited to Marenello to test drive the F8 for a whole two days. Driving along the twisting and scenic mountain roads near the factory on day one followed by an entire track day at the Fiorano race track and also a factory tour to appreciate the tech behind the F8!
The F8 is spell binding. There is no comparison to a 458 this completely blows it away. The 458 obviously sounds better being NA and handles a bit better but then it’s a much slower car than this so of course would be easier to handle. The F8 is currently the fastest car in it’s category that one can buy.
458 owners have been going on for years (must admit I did a bit too!) about how they will never drop in value, that they will appreciate due to being the last naturally aspirated V8 blah blah blah but reality is that they have dropped in value just like other models have. Even the Speciale has lost £100k over the past year so forum talks can’t save values of cars so please lets stop this!
Go out and Enjoy the choice given...£120k 458, £150k 488 and soon a £200k F8. Given the gap in performance and tech I am happy to spend the £80k more over a 458 it is well worth it IMHO.
Now I shall wait to be flamed by the 458 posse of Pistonheads but sorry said it as it is...it’s getting tiring....please stop
Hit the nail right on the head. I noticed that about 458 owners off late too lol I find the 458 owners “defending” their cars against the 488 and now F8 very akin to the behaviour of McLaren owners and it’s getting boring tbh. Having to defend their cars values and performance on every V8 Ferrari thread!
The 458 is a fantastic car don’t get me wrong but to say it’s better than an F8 is just silly. 20 mins in a test drive won’t even have warmed up your tyres so of course id you floor it there will be wheelspin!
I was lucky to be invited to Marenello to test drive the F8 for a whole two days. Driving along the twisting and scenic mountain roads near the factory on day one followed by an entire track day at the Fiorano race track and also a factory tour to appreciate the tech behind the F8!
The F8 is spell binding. There is no comparison to a 458 this completely blows it away. The 458 obviously sounds better being NA and handles a bit better but then it’s a much slower car than this so of course would be easier to handle. The F8 is currently the fastest car in it’s category that one can buy.
458 owners have been going on for years (must admit I did a bit too!) about how they will never drop in value, that they will appreciate due to being the last naturally aspirated V8 blah blah blah but reality is that they have dropped in value just like other models have. Even the Speciale has lost £100k over the past year so forum talks can’t save values of cars so please lets stop this!
Go out and Enjoy the choice given...£120k 458, £150k 488 and soon a £200k F8. Given the gap in performance and tech I am happy to spend the £80k more over a 458 it is well worth it IMHO.
Now I shall wait to be flamed by the 458 posse of Pistonheads but sorry said it as it is...it’s getting tiring....please stop
I too went to Modena to to the same drive as you last year (thanks to Dick Lovett) and the car was amazing indeed. It could easily be a daily driver and when you step on it what an animal.
As prices drop across the board in the future I think it will be the 488 that suffers the most (piggy in the middle syndrome!). The 458 has a lot of fans and people love them. The 488 was never really loved even though a fantastic car. The F8 is bloody quick and there is nothing that can keep up with one so it will be desirable for sure once prices become a bit more affordable.
I was watching youtube videos too and it annihilated everything that was raced against it - a 720s, A Hurcan Evo, Performante and a 992 Turbo S. The way it ripped up the Huracan was a real eye opener as I have been in a Performante a few times and f
k me those are fast. I never realised the F8 was so quick when driving it to be honest!Enjoy your new car - will be one of a very few on the road this year
TP321 said:
Or maybe it’s simply that we have arrived at the point where a v8 turbo petrol won’t be able to put up a fight against all these new electric cars. The F8 is simply not cutting edge enough right now
I wouldn't necessarily say not cutting edge enough. Harry's video summed it up quite well for me. 1 second to get from 30-60mph and 0-125 in under 8. Incredible, but virtually pointless in this country. It doesn't even sound good doing it.
I'm not sure outside of Youtubers and Instagrammers why you'd buy an F8 over a 458 if you're buying it as road car.
Just to add to 'WANTED' I am not a 458 owner or have ever been, I was excited to be offered a drive in one in the tunbridge wells area when the invites were doing the rounds, and I was very interested in possibly ordering the spyder version.
I think it makes a big difference the fact you got to drive it properly on a track in optimal conditions and over a longer period of time where the performance is accesible and you can find out what it can do.
I mentioned this during my test drive to the instructor who agreed, but also confirmed the rather expensive amount it costs to hire a decent track in the UK. On the way home it was clear that only an 812 or 812 gts are of any interest moving forward for me.
Congrats on your new car arriving soon, and please post plenty of pics!
14 of them already on autotrader, this looks very nice...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011146...
I think it makes a big difference the fact you got to drive it properly on a track in optimal conditions and over a longer period of time where the performance is accesible and you can find out what it can do.
I mentioned this during my test drive to the instructor who agreed, but also confirmed the rather expensive amount it costs to hire a decent track in the UK. On the way home it was clear that only an 812 or 812 gts are of any interest moving forward for me.
Congrats on your new car arriving soon, and please post plenty of pics!
14 of them already on autotrader, this looks very nice...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011146...
ChocolateFrog said:
I'm not sure outside of Youtubers and Instagrammers why you'd buy an F8 over a 458 if you're buying it as road car.
As a former multiple 458 owner, current 488 Spider owner and having spent some time in F8, I would say because the steering, ride quality, transmission, interior fit and finish, instant torque are all significantly better than the 458, a much better daily driver that feels less fragile.Of course everybody on Pistonheads spends their day slamming the red line at 9k so that might not be important.
To be fair I was really disappointed how the F8 sounded in comparison to the 488 with the GPF. Apart from that it was tremendous (but certainly not worth £75k over a 488, even though now branded by the PH experts as the red headed step child of the range).
PrancingHorses said:
Sorry Gary but never seen such a major and important model replaced by Ferrari so quickly!
Totally agree, they really should have held out until the hybrid package ready to go. The rush to change was just marketing and nothing to do with the quality of the 488 product. Ferrari have basically admitted that taken longer than expected to this to work so decided to shaft 488 and particularly Pista owners (who must be seething) by eeking out another upgrade as a money making tide over. Still rather have a Pista for not a lot different cost to a F8 though.garystoybox said:
PrancingHorses said:
Sorry Gary but never seen such a major and important model replaced by Ferrari so quickly!
Totally agree, they really should have held out until the hybrid package ready to go. The rush to change was just marketing and nothing to do with the quality of the 488 product. Ferrari have basically admitted that taken longer than expected to this to work so decided to shaft 488 and particularly Pista owners (who must be seething) by eeking out another upgrade as a money making tide over. Still rather have a Pista for not a lot different cost to a F8 though.IMO the cars are different enough. F8 you really can use daily without it pissing you off, I'm not so sure thats the case with the Pista but I have only had 30 mins in one. I have to say, I preferred the F8.
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