Scratching a Ferrari itch

Scratching a Ferrari itch

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rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Sunday 27th December 2020
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MDL111 said:
Osinjak said:
No car is without its fair share of gremlins for sure (I own an RRS) but shelling out thousands to fix a design flaw is a bit rich, literally and metaphorically. However I'm struggling with the idea that all 15000 430s have, or will have, his problem. Can't be right, surely? I don't know the 430 exhaust system well enough in order to make an informed decision, is it going to cost 1k or 8k to sort (setting aside the engine being destroyed which will clearly involve many pennies)? I anticipate picking up any problems before the cat does its worst but I just need to weigh up the preventative piece, there seem to be mixed stories with the Ferrari warranty where some have had the manifolds covered under goodwill and others categorically not. I really don't want to be out for a hoon with a nagging doubt in my mind, where's the fun in that?
My warranty did not cover the manifolds or the exhaust backbox that needed to be replaced twice in less than 18 months - painful 2 trips to the dealer. My 355 also needed 2 new manifolds in the first year after purchase - these things seem to be like soft cheese ....
Wouldn't let the chance of the manifolds going put you off buying a 430, whichever model you choose it will have it's weak spots,

They are well put together with no rattles or squeaks even over the worst roads, as long as the cats don't get devoured by the engine they are pretty bomb proof, If you are having the car checked over before buying it ask for
a more detail look at the whole exhaust system.

If this still worries you try to make allowances in the price for you to change either part or all of the system just for peace of mind.

Mine is an 08 which supposed to have all the previous problems ironed out ,only reason i am going to change mine is
to make it sound more exciting, never liked the sound of the 430 on standard pipes ,not a patch on the 360.





Edited by rat rod on Monday 28th December 09:19

PGNSagaris

2,926 posts

165 months

Sunday 27th December 2020
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Osinjak said:
Doing a fair bit of reading around, what's the story with the manifolds, will they always crack or is just a select few?
Mine did. Painful but was under warranty. Dealer said they almost all need resolving

dereksharpuk

179 posts

167 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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PGNSagaris said:
'what's the story with the manifolds, will they always crack or is just a select few?'

Mine did. Painful but was under warranty. Dealer said they almost all need resolving
My Ferrari dealership workshop (Dick Lovett) tell me that of the hundreds of F430s they have serviced, only a small few have had a manifold issue and have never had an engine problem due to manifold failure. Moreover, partly the root cause appears to be ultra high temperatures during track days. I have had 3 F430s and never had the slightest problem (touch wood), but my Ferraris (all 5) have never been driven on track. Nevertheless, as I previously stated, if I was that worried, there are a number of after market and OEM Ferrari solutions. But I'm advised, with my limited mileage, just save my money & maintain the vehicle perfectly, with yearly inspections. Whatever, the cast iron solution is not to buy a car, any car. But where is the fun in that?

I have the exact same thoughts with my vintage aeroplane. There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but no old bold pilots. I am old and thus risk adverse, but I don't keep my aeroplane locked up in the hangar. Life is for living.

swanseaboydan

1,722 posts

162 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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Portofino s seem to be shedding value and a lot of low milers for under 150k - not many have black leather ( my pref) though. I think they will hold value around 130 k for 12 months or so .

dereksharpuk

179 posts

167 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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swanseaboydan said:
Portofino s seem to be shedding value and a lot of low milers for under 150k - not many have black leather ( my pref) though. I think they will hold value around 130 k for 12 months or so .
I feel sure that Portofino will go the same way as the California (which it really is). Some now down quite a bit lower than F430 even. Some Californias are sub £60K though younger than any F430/360.


Edited by dereksharpuk on Tuesday 29th December 11:55


Edited by dereksharpuk on Tuesday 29th December 21:20

swanseaboydan

1,722 posts

162 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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For me, there is a lot to be said for getting a car with a warranty - which most newer models have. Love em or hate em the California / Cali T and portofino are very usable cars and I think they become good value after a few years. I can’t drive the rear engined cars much as I am tall with a bad back ! Front engines cruiser all day for me !

Osinjak

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5,453 posts

120 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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There's a nice looking Cali at Slade's:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-California-2-PL...

dereksharpuk

179 posts

167 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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Osinjak said:
There's a nice looking Cali at Slade's:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-California-2-PL...
High mileage, not full Ferrari history, sold by an Indy. But still nice. I am of course totally biased, but the driving experience, even with a Cali 2 or Portofino, is not the same as a 360 or 430.

Osinjak

Original Poster:

5,453 posts

120 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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As an aside, what insurers do people use, anyone in particular?

blueg33

35,574 posts

223 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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Osinjak said:
As an aside, what insurers do people use, anyone in particular?
I just went on Meerkat and Go compare. I pay £350 to insure my Ferrari including business use etc

dereksharpuk

179 posts

167 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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Osinjak said:
As an aside, what insurers do people use, anyone in particular?
I use Aviva, £350 pa NCB protected.

Osinjak

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5,453 posts

120 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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blueg33 said:
Osinjak said:
As an aside, what insurers do people use, anyone in particular?
I just went on Meerkat and Go compare. I pay £350 to insure my Ferrari including business use etc
Just did a quote on that one, came out cheaper than my RRS. Madness.

jubejube

54 posts

206 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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New Topic.
Where's the button ?

It may just be me...
But it seems to have gone walk about !

Any help on possible sightings much appreciated.
M.

Osinjak

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5,453 posts

120 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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Anyone ever done a European trip in one? If I buy one we'll take it to Croatia next year, a decent 3000 mile round trip with a stopover in Italy of course. wink

blueg33

35,574 posts

223 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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Osinjak said:
Anyone ever done a European trip in one? If I buy one we'll take it to Croatia next year, a decent 3000 mile round trip with a stopover in Italy of course. wink
I do road trips every year, one of my fellow trippers uses his 360, another his 575 and I plan to use my 360






Osinjak

Original Poster:

5,453 posts

120 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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Be interested to read a write up if you've done one?

blueg33

35,574 posts

223 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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Osinjak said:
Be interested to read a write up if you've done one?
I haven’t got round to writing any up apart from one I did for the Ginetta magazine years ago. But I can give you a list of breakdowns over the last 12 years that have needed garage repair or recovery.

Ferrari 355 - clutch thrust bearing
Ginetta G33 - ignition relay failure
Porsche 930 turbo - coil failure
Porsche 930 turbo- alternator failure
Ferrari Testarossa- throttle cable spring

No other failures at all, the odd niggle eg Evora brake pedal sensor that self repaired. Only the 355 clutch and 930 alternator required the cars to return to the uk on a recovery truck.




PGNSagaris

2,926 posts

165 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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dereksharpuk said:
My Ferrari dealership workshop (Dick Lovett) tell me that of the hundreds of F430s they have serviced, only a small few have had a manifold issue and have never had an engine problem due to manifold failure. Moreover, partly the root cause appears to be ultra high temperatures during track days.
Main Ferrari dealer in not admitting to known design flaw shocker.

Interestingly, Ferrari acknowledged this was a known problem and so replaced mine under goodwill. Ferrari Nottingham, who sold the car to me ,said almost exactly the opposite to what Lovett’s told you, especially referencing the Mk1/pre 2009 cars.

Anyway, great cars and I will have another for sure.

Osinjak

Original Poster:

5,453 posts

120 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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PGNSagaris said:
Main Ferrari dealer in not admitting to known design flaw shocker.

Interestingly, Ferrari acknowledged this was a known problem and so replaced mine under goodwill. Ferrari Nottingham, who sold the car to me ,said almost exactly the opposite to what Lovett’s told you, especially referencing the Mk1/pre 2009 cars.

Anyway, great cars and I will have another for sure.
Asst Service Manager at Graypaul saying the same thing:

https://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/f430

It also seems to be inconsistent with warranties/goodwill and so on.



carphotographer

500 posts

194 months

Tuesday 5th January 2021
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Osinjak said:
Cheers chaps, not in any rush to buy especially with a decent chunk of hard earned at play. Must admit I've never been a huge fan of Ferrari but when you hear them, good God. I followed an Enzo in Weybridge once on my admittedly puny 600cc bike but with a decent helmet on and couldn't hear a thing apart from the noise coming out the back of that monster. Glorious, just glorious. I think I followed it for about five miles just for the hell of it.
Only just seen this .

That's probably Chris Green, always annoyed the neighbourhood in his loud Enzo.

I'm also considering an F430 too.