458 thoughts....
Discussion
MisterBigglesworth said:
43k rental miles as well.
Given I did 390 miles in a weekend including a 2 hour crawl down the kings road in rush hour traffic and stuck in a huge traffic jam on the motorway and it didnt overheat, stop working or break down. Actually was in rude health and wore its miles very well - seemed to run much better than a couple of garage queens I looked at.
One of the reasons I'm totally sold on a 458. If it can run that well as a long term rental car with 40k plus miles then it's a solid old girl.
No reason it shouldn't last three or four times as much or even more, the engines are built to take a hard time and whilst nothing is bulletproof they ain't far off. Where it gets silly is mileage anxiety from owners who are terrified of a 'high' mileage because it adversely affects the value and that somehow has transformed into a belief that high miles is bad news for the engine. It really isn't.Given I did 390 miles in a weekend including a 2 hour crawl down the kings road in rush hour traffic and stuck in a huge traffic jam on the motorway and it didnt overheat, stop working or break down. Actually was in rude health and wore its miles very well - seemed to run much better than a couple of garage queens I looked at.
One of the reasons I'm totally sold on a 458. If it can run that well as a long term rental car with 40k plus miles then it's a solid old girl.
MisterBigglesworth said:
Getting enough time off from my 70 hour work week that pays for such toys to leave central London and go and buy one. I ended up renting from bespokes because it was easier to get on the the tube to kings cross than going to buy one 
Lovely car though..43k on the clock and still runs like a dream shows they really can take the miles.
Was going to go buy the car autologix had but got back from my weekend to find another PH'er beat me too it!
You could park a bus in that gap between the car and the kerb Lovely car though..43k on the clock and still runs like a dream shows they really can take the miles.
Was going to go buy the car autologix had but got back from my weekend to find another PH'er beat me too it!
Durzel said:
You could park a bus in that gap between the car and the kerb
Yep. I got my full 5k deposit back with no kerbed alley deductions though To be fair j was perched in a suspended public bay playing hide and seek with a traffic warden until residents parking only expired. I did park it at a PH acceptable distance from the kerb for the night
Fair enough I would’ve been the same to be honest.
I very lightly grazed my diamond cut versions of those wheels parking outside a bank in a loading bay (so, karma maybe). Found out that day that diamond cut alloys can’t be easily repaired, you have to re-face (?) them.
Called on my detailer to help me by asking if he’d oversee the repair and redetail of the wheel. On the day I drove the car over to his I got squeezed off to the side of the road by a white van man who obviously didn’t like seeing a red Ferrari. Result- another kerbed alloy
They are definitely worrisome alloys to have in my experience!
I would’ve been the same to be honest.I very lightly grazed my diamond cut versions of those wheels parking outside a bank in a loading bay (so, karma maybe). Found out that day that diamond cut alloys can’t be easily repaired, you have to re-face (?) them.
Called on my detailer to help me by asking if he’d oversee the repair and redetail of the wheel. On the day I drove the car over to his I got squeezed off to the side of the road by a white van man who obviously didn’t like seeing a red Ferrari. Result- another kerbed alloy
They are definitely worrisome alloys to have in my experience!
Durzel said:
Fair enough I would’ve been the same to be honest.
I very lightly grazed my diamond cut versions of those wheels parking outside a bank in a loading bay (so, karma maybe). Found out that day that diamond cut alloys can’t be easily repaired, you have to re-face (?) them.
Called on my detailer to help me by asking if he’d oversee the repair and redetail of the wheel. On the day I drove the car over to his I got squeezed off to the side of the road by a white van man who obviously didn’t like seeing a red Ferrari. Result- another kerbed alloy
They are definitely worrisome alloys to have in my experience!
I think I would rather have the Grigio painted wheels for that reason! I would’ve been the same to be honest.I very lightly grazed my diamond cut versions of those wheels parking outside a bank in a loading bay (so, karma maybe). Found out that day that diamond cut alloys can’t be easily repaired, you have to re-face (?) them.
Called on my detailer to help me by asking if he’d oversee the repair and redetail of the wheel. On the day I drove the car over to his I got squeezed off to the side of the road by a white van man who obviously didn’t like seeing a red Ferrari. Result- another kerbed alloy
They are definitely worrisome alloys to have in my experience!
Any thoughts on this car from the 458 buying experts?
https://edinburgh.ferraridealers.com/en_gb/search-...
Plus points for me:
Has full carbon driving zone with the carbon binnacle and Giallo rev counter - that’s a 5k retrofit apparently as you have to replace the whole dashpod to get the carbon surround.
All interior carbon
Carbon goldrakes - another hefty 16k retrofit job, so nice to have
Its red
20k miles seems sweet spot for price to miles
Ferrari dealer peace of mind
Negatives:
Red calipers - would like Giallo for full McDonald’s spec
Red carpets - big too 1980’s, bt could retrofit the Alcantara Nero ones at a reasonable cost
No nose lift
No exterior carbon, although easy to retrofit I costed it at about 11k for rear inserts, front canards, sill covers, and b post trim.
It’s in Edinburgh - although I assume I could click n collect and have them ship it to their Egham dealer for pickup.
On balance the external bits are easier to deal with than a non carbon dash and offset by not having to pay for the more expensive seats, and at the price point I could happily splurge 20k on adding some bits to it.
Also any opinions on Ferrari Financial Services vs using a Indy broker?
I think i’m planning to put circa 50k - 60k in to keep the lend below 100k and want to keep my payments below 1k for next 6 months to avoid bumping up a dividend tax bracket, then can draw down the balance in the new tax year so don’t want to get stung with big exit penalties settling after 6-9 months.
Edited by MisterBigglesworth on Thursday 16th September 10:22
Other possibles i’m thinking about
This car ticks a lot of options and has nose lift, is a 14 car and under 10k
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12132725
Plus points’
Red
Yellow calipers
Diamond wheels
Bit of carbon
Low miles
14 car
Red seat belts
Negative
From the rear panel it looks wrapped, doesn’t mention it’s a bi-colour factory spec so assume roof is wrapped as well, which is fine if it can go back to black
Daytona seats - can probably live with them otherwise it’s a 16k upgrade and i’ll have 2 very nice home office chairs from the originals
No carbon interior bits - everything can be retrofitted for a few k but doing the Rev counter binnacle will be a 5k job although I might get a bit back selling the old one.
It’s in Yorkshire so a PITA.
So best estimate is I’d need to chuck 25k at it to get all interior carbon and seats done but it’s 2 years newer and half the mileage so i’d be okay with that assuming roof is wrapped and I can just get it back to all red.
This car ticks a lot of options and has nose lift, is a 14 car and under 10k
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12132725
Plus points’
Red
Yellow calipers
Diamond wheels
Bit of carbon
Low miles
14 car
Red seat belts
Negative
From the rear panel it looks wrapped, doesn’t mention it’s a bi-colour factory spec so assume roof is wrapped as well, which is fine if it can go back to black
Daytona seats - can probably live with them otherwise it’s a 16k upgrade and i’ll have 2 very nice home office chairs from the originals
No carbon interior bits - everything can be retrofitted for a few k but doing the Rev counter binnacle will be a 5k job although I might get a bit back selling the old one.
It’s in Yorkshire so a PITA.
So best estimate is I’d need to chuck 25k at it to get all interior carbon and seats done but it’s 2 years newer and half the mileage so i’d be okay with that assuming roof is wrapped and I can just get it back to all red.
And final one...
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11291075
Has all the interior carbon bits, plus nose lift, reverse cam and HELE - all bonus features for central London living.
Negatives - basic seats so would prob want to splurge the money on goldrakes.
Hate black wheels so need to respray those grigio
32k miles,
Whilst I am not that mileage sensitive although it has some nice options 145k seems to be a bit pricy for the miles given it has no carbon seats and there are lower miles cars with the seats within 5 to 10k of the price.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11291075
Has all the interior carbon bits, plus nose lift, reverse cam and HELE - all bonus features for central London living.
Negatives - basic seats so would prob want to splurge the money on goldrakes.
Hate black wheels so need to respray those grigio
32k miles,
Whilst I am not that mileage sensitive although it has some nice options 145k seems to be a bit pricy for the miles given it has no carbon seats and there are lower miles cars with the seats within 5 to 10k of the price.
You don't need nose lift on a 458 imo. I didn't have it and never scraped it on anything, unlike a F430, although I was careful. I think you'd only need nose lift if you have a particularly challenging drive, or habitually park it in multi-storeys.
Out of the three I think I'd have the first one. Nero interior wouldn't be my choice for a Spider, but the red carpets offset the seats quite nicely.
The carbon race seats are the best part of the car imo, so on that basis I wouldn't really consider the other two.
Changing the caliper colour to Giallo (nice choice) ought not to be too big of a job, or retrofitting certain carbon parts. I wouldn't entertain trying to replace the carpet though.
I don't know how much of the money you'd get back retrofitting stuff, though, since it wouldn't be reflected on the build options and I don't imagine you'd be able to get Ferrari to change it. Perhaps worth a conversation with a main dealer as to how they would value that stuff.
The Edinburgh car would come with 2 years Power warranty too, which imo is worth a decent chunk in peace of mind terms (with the caveat being that it wouldn't cover the thing most likely to go wrong, the mag shocks, but buying from a main dealer would get you some goodwill from them and possibly Ferrari as well).
Out of the three I think I'd have the first one. Nero interior wouldn't be my choice for a Spider, but the red carpets offset the seats quite nicely.
The carbon race seats are the best part of the car imo, so on that basis I wouldn't really consider the other two.
Changing the caliper colour to Giallo (nice choice) ought not to be too big of a job, or retrofitting certain carbon parts. I wouldn't entertain trying to replace the carpet though.
I don't know how much of the money you'd get back retrofitting stuff, though, since it wouldn't be reflected on the build options and I don't imagine you'd be able to get Ferrari to change it. Perhaps worth a conversation with a main dealer as to how they would value that stuff.
The Edinburgh car would come with 2 years Power warranty too, which imo is worth a decent chunk in peace of mind terms (with the caveat being that it wouldn't cover the thing most likely to go wrong, the mag shocks, but buying from a main dealer would get you some goodwill from them and possibly Ferrari as well).
Durzel said:
You don't need nose lift on a 458 imo. I didn't have it and never scraped it on anything, unlike a F430, although I was careful. I think you'd only need nose lift if you have a particularly challenging drive, or habitually park it in multi-storeys.
Out of the three I think I'd have the first one. Nero interior wouldn't be my choice for a Spider, but the red carpets offset the seats quite nicely.
The carbon race seats are the best part of the car imo, so on that basis I wouldn't really consider the other two.
Changing the caliper colour to Giallo (nice choice) ought not to be too big of a job, or retrofitting certain carbon parts. I wouldn't entertain trying to replace the carpet though.
I don't know how much of the money you'd get back retrofitting stuff, though, since it wouldn't be reflected on the build options and I don't imagine you'd be able to get Ferrari to change it. Perhaps worth a conversation with a main dealer as to how they would value that stuff.
The Edinburgh car would come with 2 years Power warranty too, which imo is worth a decent chunk in peace of mind terms (with the caveat being that it wouldn't cover the thing most likely to go wrong, the mag shocks, but buying from a main dealer would get you some goodwill from them and possibly Ferrari as well).
Pretty much what he said, lift adds weight and is not needed, my 458 does not have lift and in near three years and 12,000 miles I have never scraped and I've even been in multi storey car parks.Out of the three I think I'd have the first one. Nero interior wouldn't be my choice for a Spider, but the red carpets offset the seats quite nicely.
The carbon race seats are the best part of the car imo, so on that basis I wouldn't really consider the other two.
Changing the caliper colour to Giallo (nice choice) ought not to be too big of a job, or retrofitting certain carbon parts. I wouldn't entertain trying to replace the carpet though.
I don't know how much of the money you'd get back retrofitting stuff, though, since it wouldn't be reflected on the build options and I don't imagine you'd be able to get Ferrari to change it. Perhaps worth a conversation with a main dealer as to how they would value that stuff.
The Edinburgh car would come with 2 years Power warranty too, which imo is worth a decent chunk in peace of mind terms (with the caveat being that it wouldn't cover the thing most likely to go wrong, the mag shocks, but buying from a main dealer would get you some goodwill from them and possibly Ferrari as well).
Carbon seats of a must, they are a work of art and worth the 10k premium they tend to attract and like suggested they are 16k to buy new.
Ferrari dealer would no doubt do caliper colour change for you, maybe make it part of the deal of buying the car, same with a wheel colour change most the dealers have good bodyshops and wheel/caliper colour changes won't cost them much to perform trade to bill themselves and could be made as part of deal of buying the car.
Warranty is around £2800 per year so any Ferrari dealer car immediately has the £5500 warranty cost included.
I'd personally buy the most modern car I could get but not worry about miles too much the 458 enjoys use, when used they tend to be reliable I think an "Experience Day" 458 sold a few months ago on collecting cars for like around 90k but this car had like 80,000 track miles on it and the engine and drive train was still fine, it just needed new ceramics, dampers and paint which was all done as part of the deal but that person got a cheap 458 but albeiit high miles.
Gibbo205 said:
This I also contemplated swapping the 458 for a GT3 RS, but in the end as a road car the 458 is the more enjoyable car and knew I'd miss it and trying to find 458's in really good specification especially yellow is not easy, whereas finding a GT3 even an RS is an easier task.
Best to just save, I have since added a 987.2 Boxster Spyder manual, WOW what another epic road car that is to enjoy, so small with truly incredible feel and steering feel that puts any 981/991/718 Porsche to shame.
nice! I have the same combo - I hated the 718 and 981 when I drove them (they do look nicer though imo)Best to just save, I have since added a 987.2 Boxster Spyder manual, WOW what another epic road car that is to enjoy, so small with truly incredible feel and steering feel that puts any 981/991/718 Porsche to shame.
Thanks for the responses guys - trying to be as compromising as possible given I’d wait forever for perfect spec.
To clarify - don’t care at all about maintaining factory original build spec or resale value, I already test drove a 488 and F8 and know neither car is for me - I found the 458 was already s
t your pants quick so I don’t want more power, and prefer the less fussy Pininfarina design and NA engine so this is likely a car I will never sell, it’s more about getting the thing the way I would have specced it from the factory. I did have a chat with my local Ferrari dealer and they were perfectly happy to relieve me of my bank balance to retro-fit any carbon parts / seats - not expecting to get stuff done as part of a deal - and appreciate it doesn’t make economic sense but i’d rather put money into a 458 I will keep than put it into a 488 I wouldn’t and lose it anyway in depreciation and trade out value.
The nose lift info was good to know as if it’s really not needed that makes life easier.
To clarify - don’t care at all about maintaining factory original build spec or resale value, I already test drove a 488 and F8 and know neither car is for me - I found the 458 was already s
t your pants quick so I don’t want more power, and prefer the less fussy Pininfarina design and NA engine so this is likely a car I will never sell, it’s more about getting the thing the way I would have specced it from the factory. I did have a chat with my local Ferrari dealer and they were perfectly happy to relieve me of my bank balance to retro-fit any carbon parts / seats - not expecting to get stuff done as part of a deal - and appreciate it doesn’t make economic sense but i’d rather put money into a 458 I will keep than put it into a 488 I wouldn’t and lose it anyway in depreciation and trade out value.The nose lift info was good to know as if it’s really not needed that makes life easier.
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