550 Maranello article - they'll be Β£200k before you know it!

550 Maranello article - they'll be Β£200k before you know it!

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Petrus1983

3,980 posts

120 months

Monday 15th June
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I was bidding on the Collecting Cars 575M which just sold for £55k - I got cold feet over it being LHD - but the 550 about on track looks stunning and now I’m thinking more pure.

21ATS

186 posts

30 months

Monday 15th June
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Petrus1983 said:
I was bidding on the Collecting Cars 575M which just sold for £55k - I got cold feet over it being LHD - but the 550 about on track looks stunning and now I’m thinking more pure.
I set out wanting a 575, even made offers on a couple but it was when I drove a manual 575 that I started looking at 550's (I can't afford a manual 575) that's the moment I realised how different these cars were. I don't mean mechanically, I mean aesthetically. I'm looking at buying one of these for the look, the enjoyment of driving a manual and the analogue gauges and cleaner more simple interior. The 575 is without doubt a mechanically superior car, but the "upgrades" and "improvements" from the 550 changed the car quite materially, not one huge change, just lots of tiny changes that when combined make it quite a different vehicle.

In hindsight this was the point when the front engined V12 stepped from an analogue world into an electronic world. The 575 was the first generation electronic V12 that was taken to an entirely different level in the 599.

The 550 was really the last analogue V12 (despite it having it's fair share of ECU's). It is also prettier than the 575 (I don't know why exactly, it just is).

cgt2

1,668 posts

146 months

Tuesday 16th June
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21ATS said:
I set out wanting a 575, even made offers on a couple but it was when I drove a manual 575 that I started looking at 550's (I can't afford a manual 575) that's the moment I realised how different these cars were. I don't mean mechanically, I mean aesthetically. I'm looking at buying one of these for the look, the enjoyment of driving a manual and the analogue gauges and cleaner more simple interior. The 575 is without doubt a mechanically superior car, but the "upgrades" and "improvements" from the 550 changed the car quite materially, not one huge change, just lots of tiny changes that when combined make it quite a different vehicle.

In hindsight this was the point when the front engined V12 stepped from an analogue world into an electronic world. The 575 was the first generation electronic V12 that was taken to an entirely different level in the 599.

The 550 was really the last analogue V12 (despite it having it's fair share of ECU's). It is also prettier than the 575 (I don't know why exactly, it just is).
I agree, I sold my manual 575 and went back to a 550. Much prefer the interior, lovely Jaeger dials and many other details.

Rari

69 posts

153 months

markiii

1,468 posts

152 months

Tuesday 16th June
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hate the seats but thats easily fixed

SFTWend

211 posts

33 months

Tuesday 16th June
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Rari said:
That's got 21ATS's name on it in those colours. Wonder where JB got it from? Wouldn't buy from him personally.

Zarco

13,484 posts

167 months

Tuesday 16th June
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cgt2 said:
This was the cheapest 550 I ever saw, was offered it for £29k in May 2008. Vendor was extremely keen to sell and the car was mint cosmetically, proper history too. I couldn't live with the interior and bought an Argento one instead for a few thousand more.







Edited by cgt2 on Wednesday 20th May 11:05


I actually like that interior. Definitely not my first choice, but for £29k. Damn! (even if the world had just ended).

I've come here after reading the front engined V12 article in EVO.

jayemm89

2,811 posts

88 months

Tuesday 16th June
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As it got mentioned a few pages ago, during my search I did go and see the JB 550.

It is in a shocking condition. It's not selling.

21ATS

186 posts

30 months

Tuesday 16th June
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jayemm89 said:
As it got mentioned a few pages ago, during my search I did go and see the JB 550.

It is in a shocking condition. It's not selling.
You can see if you look closely at the pictures, the dash peeling, the interior door panels untidy, it just generally looks uncared for.

By the way - if you are tempted with an exhaust for the 550 then the following is the pinnacle for maranellos:-

http://www.fiammenghiengineering.it/index-en.html

It's a work of art, built by an enthusiat owner who owns a CNC metal fabrication business in Italy. He personally owns a 575M HGTC F1.

It's switchable, so sounds little louder than standard closed but like a V12 Forumla 1 car when open. Not cheap though.

Plenty of owner feedback and videos on Fchat and You Tube.

Love the car Jay, two years I've been looking and I'm getting frustrated not being able to find something priced appropriately for it's condition. A lot around like the JB car unfortunately.

jayemm89

2,811 posts

88 months

Tuesday 16th June
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The pictures do not reflect the condition of the car.

[url]|https://thumbsnap.com/wfpoB6AT[/url

I am aware of Fiammenghi's work, I have been in contact with him but I want to get some housekeeping done on the 550 before any big "luxury" spends!

21ATS

186 posts

30 months

Tuesday 16th June
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SFTWend said:
That's got 21ATS's name on it in those colours. Wonder where JB got it from? Wouldn't buy from him personally.
I do like TDF over beige but like you I'm put off by where it is.

My preference is also no shields - pretty much everything else is easy to change within reason.

Not a fan of the Barchetta wheels, but lots of people covet them, so they could easily be sold on and replaced by a brand new set of standard wheels with are still available (for a very reasonble £895+vat for a set of 4 from Eurospares). Interior would need to be changed, the black bits at least.

I've had my eye on this since it was listed.

https://alexclassick.com/cars-for-sale/550maranell...

At £100K it's too much money for the present market. It has clearly been cared for by the current owner since he bought it 11 years ago. Before that though there's an MOT mileage discrepancy (one of the mot's shows a drop in mileage from the previous year) and sketchy history. I understand it was looked after by Verdi during this period, those that know that name - well, they know. So it puts doubt in your mind.

If I'm paying a premium for low miles and great condition it needs continuous provenance to back it up.





Edited by 21ATS on Tuesday 16th June 20:51

urquattroGus

1,303 posts

148 months

Wednesday 17th June
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jayemm89 said:
The pictures do not reflect the condition of the car.

[url]|https://thumbsnap.com/wfpoB6AT[/url

I am aware of Fiammenghi's work, I have been in contact with him but I want to get some housekeeping done on the 550 before any big "luxury" spends!
Mann you just crushed my dream there, I suspected the condition was as such! yours looks like a great buy in comparison!!



550M

1,092 posts

173 months

Saturday 20th June
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jayemm89 said:


My new purchase. One week after collection!
Get ‘em out!


SFTWend

211 posts

33 months

Monday 22nd June
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Petrus1983 said:
I was bidding on the Collecting Cars 575M which just sold for £55k - I got cold feet over it being LHD - but the 550 about on track looks stunning and now I’m thinking more pure.
Provisional bid of only £59k on the ACA 575. On the understanding that this is a really nice example surely a steal if it sells at a little over £60k?
Perhaps ACA Online auction is not on peoples radar in the same way that CC is. Or maybe a real auctioneer is a bit intimidating compared to sofa bidding against a number. Certainly the detailed descriptions and photos on CC mean many buyers can make a relatively informed bid without viewing the car.

Edited by SFTWend on Monday 22 June 15:02

21ATS

186 posts

30 months

Monday 22nd June
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SFTWend said:
Provisional bid of only £59k on the ACA 575. On the understanding that this is a really nice example surely a steal if it sells at a little over £60k?
Perhaps ACA Online auction is not on peoples radar in the same way that CC is. Or maybe a real auctioneer is a bit intimidating compared to sofa bidding against a number. Certainly the detailed descriptions and photos on CC mean many buyers can make a relatively informed bid without viewing the car.

Edited by SFTWend on Monday 22 June 15:02
I drove that car when it was for sale at Meridian Modena just over 2 years ago. It was approaching 29,000 miles and drove perfectly. I offered £90K for it at the time and was knocked back, they wanted £100k. It really was in nice condition. With hindsight I'm glad they didn't accept given where we are now and in the time since I made that offer I've figured out I actually want a 550 instead.

Buying terms and fees are on the following page for ACA, I think these may put off the casual bidder that otherwise might turn up on line for a punt.

https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/bidding-op...

RobRichards

1 posts

4 months

Thursday 25th June
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I'm in the market for a 575M myself, just love their looks and I think prices will base here as not may came to the UK

I don't believe the ACA car has the FHP, this is a must in my book but I understand not everyone requires it.

Lots of unloved cars in my experience, plenty of owners seem happy to defer maintenance on these.

My search continues....

johnnyreggae

2,492 posts

118 months

Thursday 25th June
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Welcome

RobRichards said:
FHP, this is a must in my book
I wouldn't rule out a good non-FHP - you can always add the wheels and the steering ecu if you really feel the need after a few thousand miles

epom

7,091 posts

119 months

Thursday 25th June
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Got a great review in this months Evo.

21ATS

186 posts

30 months

Thursday 25th June
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RobRichards said:
I'm in the market for a 575M myself, just love their looks and I think prices will base here as not may came to the UK

I don't believe the ACA car has the FHP, this is a must in my book but I understand not everyone requires it.

Lots of unloved cars in my experience, plenty of owners seem happy to defer maintenance on these.

My search continues....
The ACA car doesn't have FHP, but it doesn't need it as it's a 2004 car that will have later model upgraded steering and suspension ECU's.

The idea that a 575 must have FHP is based on the very earliest versions of 575 from the launch year - 2002. Ferrari addressed this with electronic updates over the years that can be pinned to down to assembly numbers.

I'd driven a 2002 575 the day before I drove the one for sale at Meridian (the ACA car) - they were like different cars. The 2004 car drove better in almost every respect including the F1 gearchange.

Get yourself over to Fchat and do some proper research, not all 575's are the same - the later cars are the ones to get if you can.

bertie

8,225 posts

242 months

Thursday 25th June
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21ATS said:
RobRichards said:
I'm in the market for a 575M myself, just love their looks and I think prices will base here as not may came to the UK

I don't believe the ACA car has the FHP, this is a must in my book but I understand not everyone requires it.

Lots of unloved cars in my experience, plenty of owners seem happy to defer maintenance on these.

My search continues....
The ACA car doesn't have FHP, but it doesn't need it as it's a 2004 car that will have later model upgraded steering and suspension ECU's.

The idea that a 575 must have FHP is based on the very earliest versions of 575 from the launch year - 2002. Ferrari addressed this with electronic updates over the years that can be pinned to down to assembly numbers.

I'd driven a 2002 575 the day before I drove the one for sale at Meridian (the ACA car) - they were like different cars. The 2004 car drove better in almost every respect including the F1 gearchange.

Get yourself over to Fchat and do some proper research, not all 575's are the same - the later cars are the ones to get if you can.
But you really want a manual...smile