Anyone know this car?

Anyone know this car?

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scott64

Original Poster:

236 posts

250 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Does anyone know this car a ferrari 456m it failed an mot on Friday. I have the Reg but not sure I am allowed to post it on here? I will post in ferrari v12 forum see if it belongs to anyone there.

Output Flange

16,793 posts

210 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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What do you want to know?

scott64

Original Poster:

236 posts

250 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Just trying to find out where it is, I was told it might be for sale as it failed mot and the guy is considering moving it on as some expensive work required. Trouble is this info gets diluted as one person tells his mate who tells another mate etc.

mon the fish

1,412 posts

147 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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If it failed an MOT, that really speaks of maintenance neglect to me. I would expect any Ferrari that has been properly looked after to sail through an MOT. Alarm bells would be ringing, much more than they would on a daily that had failed an MOT IMO

DarrenKMC

202 posts

101 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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mon the fish said:
If it failed an MOT, that really speaks of maintenance neglect to me. I would expect any Ferrari that has been properly looked after to sail through an MOT. Alarm bells would be ringing, much more than they would on a daily that had failed an MOT IMO
I think thats a bit of a drastic statement without even knowing what it has failed on...

Bunty Killa

517 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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DarrenKMC said:
mon the fish said:
If it failed an MOT, that really speaks of maintenance neglect to me. I would expect any Ferrari that has been properly looked after to sail through an MOT. Alarm bells would be ringing, much more than they would on a daily that had failed an MOT IMO
I think thats a bit of a drastic statement without even knowing what it has failed on...
You can fail a MOT on the most smallest of things - find the report what the car failed on

Kyodo

727 posts

123 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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I'd say years of an owner ignoring advisories is more indicative of a cars overall condition than a 'simple' fail. That could be as cheap to fix as a blown bulb. Investigation required...

priley

503 posts

187 months

number 46

1,019 posts

247 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Its a high mileage car and the fact that there is noise from the torque tube would be very worrying for me. Could well need alot of money spent on it, you can easily spend £5,000 for a full service and other stuff on one of these. So I would be very, very careful and get it inspected, unless of course you are a multi millionaire, in which buy it for K50!!!!!

mon the fish

1,412 posts

147 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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It was the 'expensive work required' bit in the post above mine that got me. If it was bulbs, wipers etc that's fair enough - but a V12 Ferrari, with expensive work required, an MOT failure, and the owner wants rid?

R36vw

451 posts

145 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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If that auction car sells 15-20k likelihood its going to need 10k throwing at it minimum. Most ferrari owners(unless they dont have the finances to) would get it sorted beforehand as youd be throwing money away on the sale otherwise. This car even with the high miles would fetch about 40k when repaired.
Mot report lists 2 shocks failing...thats 3-4k staraightaway. Lumpy running will explain the emissions failure. Could be a multitude of issues or just a coil issue. Braking issues also. Coolant leak not stating if rad or pipes. Just the mot suggests min of 10ks work.

Edited by R36vw on Thursday 23 February 13:55

slf2012

307 posts

145 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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priley said:
The advert shows a car that is MOT's through to March 2018, so probably not that one.

OP - if it failed it's MOT, you can check what it failed on here; https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk

If it is shocks as someone has suggested, these can be rebuilt by Bilstein for about £400 each. If it's a radiator issue, to replace with new would be £3-4k, but if it's a hose obviously that will be a lot less.



scott64

Original Poster:

236 posts

250 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Your all completely right I think the owner bought his dream car not realising the cost of things outside of normal servicing. As you suggest he needs a way out of it with least pain. Definitely not for the faint hearted.

Rari

120 posts

194 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Cerberaherts

1,651 posts

140 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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slf2012 said:
The advert shows a car that is MOT's through to March 2018, so probably not that one.

OP - if it failed it's MOT, you can check what it failed on here; https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk

If it is shocks as someone has suggested, these can be rebuilt by Bilstein for about £400 each. If it's a radiator issue, to replace with new would be £3-4k, but if it's a hose obviously that will be a lot less.
Those Shock rebuilds can have a turnaround of up to 12 weeks, when they decide they are doing them. Emissions failure could be a cracked manifold (lots of ££££labour to remove those, let alone parts) an engine issue or something simple. That's all before the potential shot torque-tube bearings mentioned above. It's all guesswork unless someone gets a properly informed inspection carried out. Don't underestimate what these cars can cost to put right....

belfry

930 posts

181 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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slf2012 said:
priley said:
The advert shows a car that is MOT's through to March 2018, so probably not that one.

OP - if it failed it's MOT, you can check what it failed on here; https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk

If it is shocks as someone has suggested, these can be rebuilt by Bilstein for about £400 each. If it's a radiator issue, to replace with new would be £3-4k, but if it's a hose obviously that will be a lot less.
How is it possible to have an MOT to march 2018 when the advert went live early February? I thought that MOTs were for 12 months.

The OP's original photo is taken from the Historics at Brooklands auction last year. Try searching using the VIN. It sold for £38,080 last year.

slf2012

307 posts

145 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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belfry said:
How is it possible to have an MOT to march 2018 when the advert went live early February? I thought that MOTs were for 12 months.
Em, because it's possible to get an MOT a month before the current one runs out, and the renewal date will remain the same?

R36vw

451 posts

145 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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The reg can be seen and just about read on the auction website. And is the one that sold last year. Its easy to look up the mot history which it has failed. Unless the owner has rectified the work required to pass it and gets it re-mot'd before the auction then the listing will be correct. Due diligence and checking this would be required with back up of the paperwork to show work has been done. Any bidder should take it that the informafion is incorrect unless further info is provided to suggest otherwise. With regard to bilstein and refurb of Ferrari shocks.......good luck its a f'in painful process that many have given up and had to take alternative options. Some have been lucky, many have felt the pain.

scott64

Original Poster:

236 posts

250 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Ok, I have tracked down and spoken to the owner. He bought it last year at auction, has only done 150 miles in it. He has entered it into anglia auction with mentioned problems. Really nice genuine chap, he did except an offer based on me looking and inspection ting car. However when he spoke to auction house they talked him into not withdrawing it. He has no idea why it is running lumpy as he describes it. Bearings on drive do need replacing. He confirmed he will not do remedy work for mot, so will be interesting if au ti on listing gets updated. Or they use there mot centre to mot vehicle, I bought a car from there with fresh mot with a handbrake that didn't work? So be interesting to see what it makes.

belfry

930 posts

181 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Scott, did you go and see the car? I'd love to understand the lumpy running and why a vendor wouldn't put that right before sale??

It looks like he (or she) paid £48,800 for the car last year at auction. Surely presenting the car as running 'lumpy' and requiring other work will ruin the potential value at auction?