2015 RS6 to 2012 FF - Should I?
Discussion
Hi all, looking for some advice really on whether this is a wise move? A lot of this is based on want and possibly some lust!
It would be to replace what is a very nicely specced 2015 RS6 which I've had for about 15 months now. Really super car and my fourth fast Audi and by far a cut above the rest. A few issues like knocking suspension, even after four new shocks and four buckled wheels. Other than that the car is hard to pick faults in.
I have no kids, just to small dogs.. so a slightly practical daily is required. I'm a huge Ferrari fan and do have a 550 and a 355, which aren't going anywhere.
My thoughts are that with prices of FF's pretty low now, I can see them flattening out at the £125 - £140k mark for the earlier cars. Particularly with such a huge void between them and the Lusso now.
I've yet to drive one but cannot think of a more complete all rounder which I'd probably do 8k miles a year in, possibly slightly more. My plan would be to buy from main dealer to benefit from the warranty.
Any thoughts from people who have made the switch?
Thanks in advance.
It would be to replace what is a very nicely specced 2015 RS6 which I've had for about 15 months now. Really super car and my fourth fast Audi and by far a cut above the rest. A few issues like knocking suspension, even after four new shocks and four buckled wheels. Other than that the car is hard to pick faults in.
I have no kids, just to small dogs.. so a slightly practical daily is required. I'm a huge Ferrari fan and do have a 550 and a 355, which aren't going anywhere.
My thoughts are that with prices of FF's pretty low now, I can see them flattening out at the £125 - £140k mark for the earlier cars. Particularly with such a huge void between them and the Lusso now.
I've yet to drive one but cannot think of a more complete all rounder which I'd probably do 8k miles a year in, possibly slightly more. My plan would be to buy from main dealer to benefit from the warranty.
Any thoughts from people who have made the switch?
Thanks in advance.
Never owned an RS6 (did consider one briefly instead of the FF though), but the FF is brilliant. The RS is probably as fast or faster, but that V12 is just amazing.
I have a small dog (19kg) who rides on the passenger seat (with a belt) and in my opinion there is no better daily and long distance car available. The car makes me smile every time I get into it. I had a 355 in the past as daily and dearly miss it, so much so that I might have to buy another one, but the FF is going nowhere. I have owned it for c 24 months now and did about 30k km in it (effectively I did those in 18 months as the car was off of the road for 6 months - most of those due to being rear ended ...) - it was faultless (regular ignoreable warning lights excluded - so the disconnect battery move is still applicable from time to time) apart from a gearbox failure .... so I would strongly recommend the warranty - fixing it took a while, but was overall a very painless experience - the Ferrari warranty is good imo, no questions/no discussions
I did buy from a Ferrari dealer, which probably helps if sth goes wrong - ultimately these are complicated cars and the first time the used a DCT on a 12 and first time for the 4RM
My interior is chocolate and cream and holds up really well to dog and jeans, although I am not too fussy so others might see that differently
It is long, it is wide and it is heavy, but you should be used to that from the RS - it does feel lighter and smaller though and revving out the gears to 300-plus kph is a joy (although I would prefer less sound insulation .... I do have a manual switch to open the exhaust flaps to get more noise at low revs, cold start up is a pleasure - at minus 15 centi I think I woke up an entire village)
Finally the 4RM works really well, no issues going up snowy/icy mountain roads
Edit: in terms of practicality - once you put down the seats there is actually quite a lot of space - I moved IKEA furniture, multiple packaged computer screens etc
Fuel economy is bad though and the 90 liter tank is too small if you are pressing on
I have a small dog (19kg) who rides on the passenger seat (with a belt) and in my opinion there is no better daily and long distance car available. The car makes me smile every time I get into it. I had a 355 in the past as daily and dearly miss it, so much so that I might have to buy another one, but the FF is going nowhere. I have owned it for c 24 months now and did about 30k km in it (effectively I did those in 18 months as the car was off of the road for 6 months - most of those due to being rear ended ...) - it was faultless (regular ignoreable warning lights excluded - so the disconnect battery move is still applicable from time to time) apart from a gearbox failure .... so I would strongly recommend the warranty - fixing it took a while, but was overall a very painless experience - the Ferrari warranty is good imo, no questions/no discussions
I did buy from a Ferrari dealer, which probably helps if sth goes wrong - ultimately these are complicated cars and the first time the used a DCT on a 12 and first time for the 4RM
My interior is chocolate and cream and holds up really well to dog and jeans, although I am not too fussy so others might see that differently
It is long, it is wide and it is heavy, but you should be used to that from the RS - it does feel lighter and smaller though and revving out the gears to 300-plus kph is a joy (although I would prefer less sound insulation .... I do have a manual switch to open the exhaust flaps to get more noise at low revs, cold start up is a pleasure - at minus 15 centi I think I woke up an entire village)
Finally the 4RM works really well, no issues going up snowy/icy mountain roads
Edit: in terms of practicality - once you put down the seats there is actually quite a lot of space - I moved IKEA furniture, multiple packaged computer screens etc
Fuel economy is bad though and the 90 liter tank is too small if you are pressing on
Thanks MDL111, a great overview.. it certainly seems like there's a huge amount of love for them. Fuel consumption I think I can cope with but I must say the RS is surprisingly frugal on a run.. often drops down to four cylinders so typically 25 + mpg.. which is nice not having to stop so often, especially on continental trips.
Do you cope okay with luggage space?
Ultimately it's a big decision as a quite a jump in terms of outlay and depreciation is always a factor. However I'm quite certain that values will stay strong.. scales of economy, the cheaper they become the more affordable they are so demanding increasing.
Must be a rare colour by the looks of it?
Do you cope okay with luggage space?
Ultimately it's a big decision as a quite a jump in terms of outlay and depreciation is always a factor. However I'm quite certain that values will stay strong.. scales of economy, the cheaper they become the more affordable they are so demanding increasing.
Must be a rare colour by the looks of it?
R5OHH said:
Thanks MDL111, a great overview.. it certainly seems like there's a huge amount of love for them. Fuel consumption I think I can cope with but I must say the RS is surprisingly frugal on a run.. often drops down to four cylinders so typically 25 + mpg.. which is nice not having to stop so often, especially on continental trips.
Do you cope okay with luggage space?
Ultimately it's a big decision as a quite a jump in terms of outlay and depreciation is always a factor. However I'm quite certain that values will stay strong.. scales of economy, the cheaper they become the more affordable they are so demanding increasing.
Must be a rare colour by the looks of it?
Luggage space is ok, but due to the tank being in the back there is less of it than one would expect. You can easily pack for a 2 week trip for 2 people though and if you don't need one/both rear seats you can fold them down to get a lot more spaceDo you cope okay with luggage space?
Ultimately it's a big decision as a quite a jump in terms of outlay and depreciation is always a factor. However I'm quite certain that values will stay strong.. scales of economy, the cheaper they become the more affordable they are so demanding increasing.
Must be a rare colour by the looks of it?
I usually get 300-400km out of a tank with mixed driving, but if driving very fast or in city traffic/on mountain roads that will drop below 300.
Yes, I love the colour - looks great in the sun. According to the dealer, the first owner specced it as an Hommage to the McQueen Lusso.
Hi, my FF gone now (replaced with an F12) but I couldn't recommend them highly enough. Never heard a bad word from an owner (past or present), they truly are the consummate all rounder supercar. I have had several RS6's in the past (although not the current generation, have driven a friends though a few times) and I would say they are a very different car. The Ferrari is more compromised space wise, the back seats are fine for kids and adults for shortish trips, the boot is smaller but still usable and absolutely fine for a couple of small dogs - also the back seats drop down individually to provide a nice shelf for a hound or two. However the sheer sense of occasion that the Ferrari offers compared to an Audi is completely off the scale. The Audi really is just a fast A6 avant, whereas the FF is a top end V12 Ferrari. It's a complicated car so please buy from an official FNE dealer for said warranty, then you'll be fine. I wouldn't run one if you can't tender it to a trickle charger however, because without keeping the battery juiced up you do get plenty of electrical warnings. I kept mine on charge and then it was fine, but if I forget for some reason then I got the odd warning light for no reason. Fuel consumption, well if you have to ask....it's got a big tank though (90 litres I think, maybe 100 even) so it's not like you are constantly bunkering the beast. Great cars, do it.
seawise said:
Hi, my FF gone now (replaced with an F12) but I couldn't recommend them highly enough. Never heard a bad word from an owner (past or present), they truly are the consummate all rounder supercar. I have had several RS6's in the past (although not the current generation, have driven a friends though a few times) and I would say they are a very different car. The Ferrari is more compromised space wise, the back seats are fine for kids and adults for shortish trips, the boot is smaller but still usable and absolutely fine for a couple of small dogs - also the back seats drop down individually to provide a nice shelf for a hound or two. However the sheer sense of occasion that the Ferrari offers compared to an Audi is completely off the scale. The Audi really is just a fast A6 avant, whereas the FF is a top end V12 Ferrari. It's a complicated car so please buy from an official FNE dealer for said warranty, then you'll be fine. I wouldn't run one if you can't tender it to a trickle charger however, because without keeping the battery juiced up you do get plenty of electrical warnings. I kept mine on charge and then it was fine, but if I forget for some reason then I got the odd warning light for no reason. Fuel consumption, well if you have to ask....it's got a big tank though (90 litres I think, maybe 100 even) so it's not like you are constantly bunkering the beast. Great cars, do it.
@seaviseHow does the FF compare to your F12. I am looking into this as well and as my kids have grown up and out i don't really need four seats and the F12 has a rear hatch as well (but obviously no 4 wheel drive). ?
hornbaek said:
@seavise
How does the FF compare to your F12. I am looking into this as well and as my kids have grown up and out i don't really need four seats and the F12 has a rear hatch as well (but obviously no 4 wheel drive). ?
They are quite different - the F12 is a lot less refined than the FF and a more intense driving experience. The FF feels like a much larger car than the F12 which of course it is, dimensionally and well as weight. It's constantly straining at the leash to run and if i am honest sometimes that can be a bit wearing, especially at lower speeds. Having said that the F12 will settle into a cruise quite happily on the autoroute but i find myself using cruise control more than in the FF. The ride quality is understandably slightly firmer than the FF but not so much to be an irritant. If you don't need the space i'd be inclined to switch, the F12 is a classic design and feels very special. But the FF is a unique car and i do miss mine. Ideally i'd like to run both, alas that's a bit extravagant!How does the FF compare to your F12. I am looking into this as well and as my kids have grown up and out i don't really need four seats and the F12 has a rear hatch as well (but obviously no 4 wheel drive). ?
seawise said:
They are quite different - the F12 is a lot less refined than the FF and a more intense driving experience. The FF feels like a much larger car than the F12 which of course it is, dimensionally and well as weight. It's constantly straining at the leash to run and if i am honest sometimes that can be a bit wearing, especially at lower speeds. Having said that the F12 will settle into a cruise quite happily on the autoroute but i find myself using cruise control more than in the FF. The ride quality is understandably slightly firmer than the FF but not so much to be an irritant. If you don't need the space i'd be inclined to switch, the F12 is a classic design and feels very special. But the FF is a unique car and i do miss mine. Ideally i'd like to run both, alas that's a bit extravagant!
Thank you for the feedback. I will investigate further. I went to Maranello recently and saw the Superfast (and the Lusso) but i like the design of the F12 better. I currently run both and enjoy the difference between each.
Driving the RS6 is good fun, as you can drive it in standard 'Audi' mode or cane it in paddles and have some fun.
Jumping in the FF is a totally different experience, its a Ferrari and V12 after all and you have as much or as little power as you want depending on how you feel when driving and also comes with the sounds (Where as the Audi lacks with the standard exhaust)
I have 2 kids (3 and 6) and they have no issues in the rear of either, apart from no screens in the FF which i might add at a later date.
The boot space in the RS6 is probably double and a bit over the FF, however your buying a Ferrari so have to accept some compromises along with initial outlay!
To summarise, RS6 7/10, FF 8/10
Driving the RS6 is good fun, as you can drive it in standard 'Audi' mode or cane it in paddles and have some fun.
Jumping in the FF is a totally different experience, its a Ferrari and V12 after all and you have as much or as little power as you want depending on how you feel when driving and also comes with the sounds (Where as the Audi lacks with the standard exhaust)
I have 2 kids (3 and 6) and they have no issues in the rear of either, apart from no screens in the FF which i might add at a later date.
The boot space in the RS6 is probably double and a bit over the FF, however your buying a Ferrari so have to accept some compromises along with initial outlay!
To summarise, RS6 7/10, FF 8/10
The rear seats are bigger than you would think; a lot more room than say a Bentley GT.
3 of us drove to Amsterdam and the two passengers are both fairly big blokes, but were quite happy and comfortable for the duration of the trip.
Rear seats can also be folded down to create a huge boot, considering what it is.
It can be fairly dosile if you’re after a comfortable cruise, or it can be a bit of an animal if you push the pedal.
I’ve had mine for best part of 3 years and whilst it’s not a daily driver, it’s an awesome piece of kit that could easily be used as a daily car.
I still don’t think its the prettiest of cars, although beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that’s a personal choice, but nothing else really offers the same prestige, performance and practicality in one package.
It feels like a smaller car than it is when you drive one (in my opinion anyway), but it is a big car and it’s wide. Too wide to fit on the lift to the underground car park in Amsterdam anyway.
It’s quite a subtle car too, although mine is black. Most people don’t know what it is until they see the badge.
One tip: Only test drive one, if you’re serious about buying, as you’ll ending parting with your hard earned if you drive one.
Happy hunting!
3 of us drove to Amsterdam and the two passengers are both fairly big blokes, but were quite happy and comfortable for the duration of the trip.
Rear seats can also be folded down to create a huge boot, considering what it is.
It can be fairly dosile if you’re after a comfortable cruise, or it can be a bit of an animal if you push the pedal.
I’ve had mine for best part of 3 years and whilst it’s not a daily driver, it’s an awesome piece of kit that could easily be used as a daily car.
I still don’t think its the prettiest of cars, although beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that’s a personal choice, but nothing else really offers the same prestige, performance and practicality in one package.
It feels like a smaller car than it is when you drive one (in my opinion anyway), but it is a big car and it’s wide. Too wide to fit on the lift to the underground car park in Amsterdam anyway.
It’s quite a subtle car too, although mine is black. Most people don’t know what it is until they see the badge.
One tip: Only test drive one, if you’re serious about buying, as you’ll ending parting with your hard earned if you drive one.
Happy hunting!
Gassing Station | Ferrari V12 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff