to cat 5 tracker or not...my F12

to cat 5 tracker or not...my F12

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speedbird1000

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151 posts

166 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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Well I got myself an F12. Re. insuring it, just wondering if people here are accepting of having a Cat 5 Tracker in it ?

Seems like a bad idea to me, as the tracker data can ultimately be used against you. Obviously there may be times when an F12 may exceed the speed limits, and its like a third party (the tracker monitoring center) is building up a file on every incident of that, and it may get called up one day. It has already been called up in a court before and the data used against speeders.... Just feels all wrong.

Anyone got a policy where it is not needed ? thanks for any pointers.


adamjsmith

71 posts

91 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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Most of my cars have cat 5 trackers. The data isn't directly available to the insurance company unless they could obtain a court order for its release, I'm not perceiving any risk.

speedbird1000

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151 posts

166 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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ok, imagine driver had an unfortunate accident. not their fault but say was hard to prove. Was a bit over the speed limit maybe. Maybe the circumstances looked like they were 30 mph over the limit. So prosecution/judge orders the tracker history. and they have do so before. Then that last trip to wales, were driver enjoyed stretching the legs of that v12, but in safe road conditions as we do.....that changes the matter into one where the data makes them out to be a "lunatic" or whatever, as the f12 is so fast.....and so decision is it is best to spend some time behind bars...OK, this fictional scenario is a stretch, but, that is the real risk of that cat 5 tracker....other than getting your car back after it has been recovered as a wreck from the nearest housing estate when i prefer not to get it back. I just see no upside, all big downside...

sparta6

3,689 posts

99 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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speedbird1000 said:
other than getting your car back after it has been recovered as a wreck from the nearest housing estate when i prefer not to get it back. I just see no upside, all big downside...
I agree. What next - personal tracking in restaurants and hotels for the cps and a Judge to offer their critique on one's lifestyle choices and penalize as they see fit ?

Your car is a piece of metal / plastic that can easily be replaced.

Cat 5 trackers - all downside IMHO

Camlet

1,132 posts

148 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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speedbird1000 said:
Well I got myself an F12. Re. insuring it, just wondering if people here are accepting of having a Cat 5 Tracker in it ?

Seems like a bad idea to me, as the tracker data can ultimately be used against you. Obviously there may be times when an F12 may exceed the speed limits, and its like a third party (the tracker monitoring center) is building up a file on every incident of that, and it may get called up one day. It has already been called up in a court before and the data used against speeders.... Just feels all wrong.

Anyone got a policy where it is not needed ? thanks for any pointers.

I wouldn't dream of not using the highest level of security on my cars.

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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A couple of London plod seized an "uninsured" Lambo a while back, and the Huracan's tracker proceeded to record an officer ragging it around the streets on the way back to the police compound rofl

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/police-took...

Ferruccio

1,832 posts

118 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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Got my Panigalle back twice only because it had such a tracker.

If your phone’s on can it not provide very similar data?

garystoybox

768 posts

116 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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Sitting reading this with my pal who is a traffic cop and he’s laughing at people’s paranoia. He says that from his experience of “tracker” (granted not the Vodafone automotive in the Ferrari but same tech I guess) that unless activated as stolen then the system in the car could well store your data/route via routine connections with the hub, but is in no way accurate enough to measure speed accurately.
Even if a court order was granted to access the data, then it would only show where you were and not you speed. You may as well worry about your car recording its top speed/data, etc in its internal computer and the police trying to use against you.
I think the Lambo in the earlier relates to a black box tracker used by some people which does track speed, etc and driving styles as dictated by the insurance company, rather than. Normal cat5. Of course I may be wrong?

Edited by garystoybox on Saturday 10th February 19:20

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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sparta6 said:
I agree. What next - personal tracking in restaurants and hotels for the cps and a Judge to offer their critique on one's lifestyle choices and penalize as they see fit ?

Your car is a piece of metal / plastic that can easily be replaced.

Cat 5 trackers - all downside IMHO
A car is a piece of metal, sure, but I would hate to imagine the cost of insurance after an F12 was nicked...

speedbird1000

Original Poster:

151 posts

166 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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"The speed indication given by your satnav receiver or vehicle tracking device is calculated by change in position (as determined by satellite fix) over time. It is inherently more accurate, even more so at higher speeds, than a dashboard speedometer. The accuracy of different units vary, but as a rule of thumb, assuming that there are at least 3 satellites visible in the sky, the GPS reading for speed will be accurate to about ±0.1mph.".......

Seems to me that modern Trackers do upload data that can incriminate you very easily indeed......

ferdi p

1,519 posts

171 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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I'll pay the relevant insurance cost based on not installing a tracker or similar.

I must be different, I can't see me ever owning a car that is that precious to me!

Ferruccio

1,832 posts

118 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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speedbird1000 said:
Seems to me that modern Trackers do upload data that can incriminate you very easily indeed......
Just like your phone?

speedbird1000

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151 posts

166 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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I think google maps doing same, but can switch off.

Tracker - you can't. and i read cat 5 trackers handily come with your personal id type card to unlock it .

It really is a spying on you device.


Never you mind

1,507 posts

111 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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The Vodafone tracker does record your speed. You can download an app for your phone and see the route you took with some speed data. Never heard of anyone that has been in a situation where a court has asked to see this data.


Ferruccio

1,832 posts

118 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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speedbird1000 said:
I think google maps doing same, but can switch off.

Tracker - you can't. and i read cat 5 trackers handily come with your personal id type card to unlock it .

It really is a spying on you device.
You take your SIM card out the phone every time you drive a car?

speedbird1000

Original Poster:

151 posts

166 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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sparta6

3,689 posts

99 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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speedbird1000 said:
Perhaps they are a department of Google wink