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barchetta_boy said:
I am having naughty thoughts about one of these. I have the perfect spec 812GTS but being a 2 seater it doesn’t get used as much as I would like and I love the idea of piling the kids in the back for special days out.
No rear tints would be an absolute must for me. Presumably CarPlay can be retro-fitted?
I changed the head unit on mine, the standard one was appalling when it was fitted new, never mind now.No rear tints would be an absolute must for me. Presumably CarPlay can be retro-fitted?
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/2014-ff-...
I know many people are ambivalent about the pano roof, but it really benefits rear passengers if it's going to get used regularly 4 up. If the interior is black and no pano it's a bit of a cave back there.
It took me a long time to find a car with pano and no tints. I despise privacy glass. However, if you find the right car in every other respect last time I looked it was less than £2K to change the rear glass and sides for clear. The privacy is worth double so you'd likely be able to do a deal with Eurospares on the glass coming out.
https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Ferrari/FF/FF_(RHD)/P...
21ATS said:
This is lovely, I think was mentioed earlier in this thread before it was listed.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14734512
Yes, that's the one I spoke to the salesman about. The paint colour is far more interesting in person than in pictures.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14734512
belfry said:
Quick question about the need for suspension lift?
I have a 2006 DB9 Volante which is about the lowest that my driveway can cope with. Have any of you had the experience of both a DB9 and a FF in terms of front lip clearance?
Many thanks
Robert
I have lift and use it. It's not front only it's both axles.I have a 2006 DB9 Volante which is about the lowest that my driveway can cope with. Have any of you had the experience of both a DB9 and a FF in terms of front lip clearance?
Many thanks
Robert
The suspension on an FF is not like a mid engined Ferrari, so if you creep over aggressive sleeping policeman the car can bottom out on the rebound.
It's also very long, so if you had a steep drive angles of attack can be a compromise.
The biggest issue i (still) have is how far back from the front you sit, I'm forever nudging things with the parking sensors going nuts when I still think Im a foot away.
In short it's a good thing to have but if I found a car that didn't have it but ticker my box on any other respect then I'd probably be happy to pass on it. Be aware on some of the early cars, certainly 2011 and maybe some 2012 the lift system (the pump I thank) was rubbish and failed. It was one of the things that was revised after a couple of years to a more reliable unit.
21ATS said:
Be aware on some of the early cars, certainly 2011 and maybe some 2012 the lift system (the pump I thank) was rubbish and failed. It was one of the things that was revised after a couple of years to a more reliable unit.
The lift pump issue affects all FFs fitted with lift regardless of build date. It’s caused by a poorly assembled seal in the Delphi supplied pump. The official Ferrari fix only came out once the Lusso was released and involves retrofitting the Lusso pump, a new wiring loom and new control software. Total cost about £8k. Alternatively, an independent can replace the failed seal for a few hundred £.
As for whether lift is essential or not; it isn’t until it is. I’ve been in a situation on holiday where the FF wouldn’t have made it into the hotel basement garage without the lift (we grounded unexpectedly so I hit the brakes and then the lift button).
The issue is not the overhangs but the wheelbase (breakover?)
We haven’t owned a DB9 but a Vantage. The FF has more ground clearance than the V8V but the long wheelbase can conspire to cause problems which the V8V wouldn’t have had. However, the V8V grounded the front spoiler over bumps which the FF takes in its stride…
ANOpax said:
The lift pump issue affects all FFs fitted with lift regardless of build date. It’s caused by a poorly assembled seal in the Delphi supplied pump. The official Ferrari fix only came out once the Lusso was released and involves retrofitting the Lusso pump, a new wiring loom and new control software. Total cost about £8k.
You're right, I went back and read the thread on F Chat. Upon failure they were replacing the lift pump with a Marelli upgraded unit, I'd assumed this was an upgrade in the FF but it's actually the Lusso pump being fitted to FFs.Every day's a school day.
belfry said:
Quick question about the need for suspension lift?
I have a 2006 DB9 Volante which is about the lowest that my driveway can cope with. Have any of you had the experience of both a DB9 and a FF in terms of front lip clearance?
Many thanks
Robert
I have a 2008 DB9 and a 2012 FF. My drive only has a gentle slope so I don't have an issue with front lip clearance here. As mentioned above the FF seems to ride a bit higher than the Aston. I've only had the FF for a couple of months and no problems with grounding out so far. I have a 2006 DB9 Volante which is about the lowest that my driveway can cope with. Have any of you had the experience of both a DB9 and a FF in terms of front lip clearance?
Many thanks
Robert
belfry said:
Thanks for pointing out the latest Collecting Cars FF.
It's interesting that the ptu was replaced in 2019, with someone outside of the official ferrari network supplying a ptu for Joe Macari to install. Would this mean that a Ferrari warranty could not be applied to this car?
There is a "Electrical System Failure" warning on the dash after the start up in the video. I would have made sure that this issue was repaired before making a marketing video!
What do we imagine this is example will sell for?
The warning on the dash in the video is explained in the comments and seems plausible enough. The seller is extremely open to answering questions in the comments which is nice to see. It's interesting that the ptu was replaced in 2019, with someone outside of the official ferrari network supplying a ptu for Joe Macari to install. Would this mean that a Ferrari warranty could not be applied to this car?
There is a "Electrical System Failure" warning on the dash after the start up in the video. I would have made sure that this issue was repaired before making a marketing video!
What do we imagine this is example will sell for?
Edited by belfry on Thursday 16th March 15:53
Lovely car as well imo.
belfry said:
I have looked closely at this car, but I have been told by several owners that a black interior without a Pano roof makes the car feel very dark and sombre.
And there will be plenty who tell you that a black interior is essential for resale. If you’ve looked closely at the car then you’ll know if it’s too dark for you or not. Pano wasn’t on the options list for most of 2012 so if you want pano, you’ll have to buy newer.
I wouldn’t sweat the pano roof as the only people who benefit will be your rear seat passengers. I’ve driven pano equipped and pano-less cars and it really isn’t the game changer/deal breaker that seems to have become internet lore. It all boils down to a matter of personal preference. Some find it essential, others (like me) are indifferent and there are some who prefer a car without it.
belfry said:
I have looked closely at this car, but I have been told by several owners that a black interior without a Pano roof makes the car feel very dark and sombre.
It's currently around £83k with the fees. Is it likely to fetch much more than this?
I have an FF in argento with black interior / daytona seats, no pano and it used very regularly as a four seater (in fact it was bought for the job, because the 911 Turbo couldn’t do it and never got used as a result), and it is fine - it isn’t the brightest in the back, but apart from the chat on Pistonheads, I / the rear passengers don’t give it a second thought. For me the black daytona seats look spot on, and frankly don’t get tainted like some lighter colours might if some of your rear seat passengers are little ones who eat snacks / wear dark jeans. I also prefer the roof line in argento without the pano roof breaking it up.It's currently around £83k with the fees. Is it likely to fetch much more than this?
Kettmark said:
They all will at some point so I've been reliably informed.
And all DCT boxes will need a speed sensor and all shocks will leak and all cam gaskets will fail and all water pumps will leak and all CCMs will wear out at some point so I’ve been reliably informed. I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Edited by ANOpax on Wednesday 22 March 20:55
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