FF prices

[21ATS]

Power15 warranty from Ferrari is £3,960 for 12 months. They didn't charge me for an inspection as it was in for a service at the time.

I did have the car inspected prior to buying it at Joe Macari. Cost was circa £400.

Edited by 21ATS on Saturday 11th February 20:08

[jason61c]

21ATS said:

Another FF on Collecting Cars.

2012 35,000 miles. Private sale.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

That does read like a dog, there's plenty of iffy cars sold on there.

The original Nero Daytona paintwork is reported to be in good condition given the car’s age, though the seller notes stone chips on the front end, and a small dent on the offside rear quarter panel. There is also a scuff on the offside lower front bumper, small imperfections on the nearside C-pillar near the rear windscreen, and a patch of bubbling above the nearside rear quarter light window.


so rust, dents, likely old poor repairs.

Add on the fees, given what the one under warranty sold for privately(under £90k), you'd be mad to pay more than £70k for this. Fees at £6k. need for expensive bodywork, lack of warranty.

paint looks to have orange peel in some pics, like from 'smart' repairs. I bet its swirlier than a swrily thing.

Edited by jason61c on Saturday 11th February 20:31

[21ATS]

I generally assume cars are being sold on Collecting Cars for a reason. Particularly anything exotic.

That said, I sold my Mercedes SL on there. I'd owned it since new for 7.5 years and it was lovely. I returned me more than I'd advertised it for on specialist forums.

Personally I'd never buy anything on there, unless I'd got it inspected beforehand or there was plenty of margin built in to the price.

If I was to sell a Ferrari on there and it was a good straight car I'd get an inspection done and post the results. You'd comfortably recover the the inspection outlay in increased interest/bids.

[Jules Sunley]

21ATS said:

Another FF on Collecting Cars.

2012 35,000 miles. Private sale.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

So few miles each year looking at the servicing info, what a waste. Odd also that the last one was a year ago as with them having serviced yearly even without much movement they haven't done one before sale.

[21ATS]

Jules Sunley said:

21ATS said:

Another FF on Collecting Cars.

2012 35,000 miles. Private sale.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

So few miles each year looking at the servicing info, what a waste. Odd also that the last one was a year ago as with them having serviced yearly even without much movement they haven't done one before sale.

Mine had covered a little over 1000 miles in the 24 months before I took ownership, it's just the way it is with these cars.

The owners often have another 4+ to choose from and when the latest toy arrives these get pushed back down the line....then they realise it's not being used and may as well sell it. Then they'll only let it go for an appropriate number or keep it.....which ties in with comments earlier in the thread about what they are "worth".

I have the FF and an EV. That's enough for me. I have had more cars but once I hit 3 one of them sits unsed almost constantly. That's when I figured I may as well sell the two nice ones I had - roll them up into an FF and use the EV for pottering around/railway station parking on the odd evening I go to London.

What I have found is 5000 miles in (5 months) the car is running better than when I first got it. Smoother gearchanges. I don't think one of the exhaust valves was closing properly and was making traffic driving horrendous due to a frequnecy drone (it now works as it should). Startups are instant, everything works and responds as it should.

The downside though is curb rash, scuffs, stonechips and a new tyre approx every 8 weeks to potholes.....that's the price you pay for getting to drive one of these daily.

Really though, it responds much better to use and if you get your head around that don't fear buying a 30,000 mile plus car that inspects well and save some cash. A well driven one of these is happier than a garage queen.

Edited by 21ATS on Sunday 12th February 17:02

[Kettmark]

4l3x said:

That grey one had 6k more miles on the clock, more owners, only 6 months warranty when it sold privately and 50% worn discs. New discs are at least £10k all round and not covered by warranty as its wear and tear. Had the OK to speak to Greypaul and discs on the black one are only 26% worn with good pads, so not really the same car is it :-) Even when Ferrari advertised the grey one at £107k it still had 50% worn discs. Again buy on condition otherwise surely its a false economy with bigger bills later on.

How long could 50% worn discs realistically be expected to last under 'normal' usage?

[ANOpax]

Kettmark said:

How long could 50% worn discs realistically be expected to last under 'normal' usage?

ISTR that Ferrari claim an 80,000 mile life for the discs so a 50% worn set should be good for another 40,000 miles under normal driving conditions.

[pontypool]

My front disks and pads had lots of life left at only 35,000 miles according to the wear measurement by HR Owen at the service only 15% used but a few months later small parts of disk material had started to come away and hence I had "invest" in new ones back in November.

You might be lucky and get 80,000 miles or you might need to replace them all at 30,000 - the best advice is that if you can't afford a £15,000 bill coming out the blue then an FF is not for you.

This was mine:

[ANOpax]

pontypool said:

My front disks and pads had lots of life left at only 35,000 miles according to the wear measurement by HR Owen at the service only 15% used but a few months later small parts of disk material had started to come away and hence I had "invest" in new ones back in November.

You might be lucky and get 80,000 miles or you might need to replace them all at 30,000 - the best advice is that if you can't afford a £15,000 bill coming out the blue then an FF is not for you.

This was mine:

Wow, thanks for posting the photo. Apart from the big gobs of missing material, those discs do otherwise appear to have little wear. How galling. And it does make a mockery of seeking out cars with low discs wear measurements if they can degrade so suddenly.

Did your dealer have any idea about what might have caused the rapid and early deterioration and is this something they’ve seen much of? (I’m wondering if acidic wheel cleaner might’ve been the culprit)

[21ATS]

Interesting.

This type of delamination has also occured on the Brembo discs supplied on some AMG's. See following thread.

https://mbworld.org/forums/s63-amg-s63-amg-4matic-...

Mercedes have been replacing these FOC as it's accepted to be a manufacturing error.

[21ATS]

jason61c said:

21ATS said:

Another FF on Collecting Cars.

2012 35,000 miles. Private sale.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

That does read like a dog, there's plenty of iffy cars sold on there.

The original Nero Daytona paintwork is reported to be in good condition given the car’s age, though the seller notes stone chips on the front end, and a small dent on the offside rear quarter panel. There is also a scuff on the offside lower front bumper, small imperfections on the nearside C-pillar near the rear windscreen, and a patch of bubbling above the nearside rear quarter light window.


so rust, dents, likely old poor repairs.

Add on the fees, given what the one under warranty sold for privately(under £90k), you'd be mad to pay more than £70k for this. Fees at £6k. need for expensive bodywork, lack of warranty.

paint looks to have orange peel in some pics, like from 'smart' repairs. I bet its swirlier than a swrily thing.

Edited by jason61c on Saturday 11th February 20:31

No sale for this car, High bid was £77,000 + fees (a little over £82k).

[kith]

21ATS said:

No sale for this car, High bid was £77,000 + fees (a little over £82k).

Backs up your point that owners of these cars just don't need to sell.

[tomtom]

kith said:

Backs up your point that owners of these cars just don't need to sell.

I don't know, it's now listed on the 'deal now' section for £85k so there's obviously a fairly concerted effort to sell it

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

[jason61c]

21ATS said:

No sale for this car, High bid was £77,000 + fees (a little over £82k).

thats a strong price for the car as it is.

[Kettmark]

Just goes to show you can't beat the system. Lots of private sellers attempting to get well above 'book price' for their cars by selling through such an auction or even trying their arms on platforms such as PH.
You have to accept that you are going to get your trousers pulled down come sale time on this type of car.
I've seen an ex CC example advertised privately recently for retail money. Come on......

[budgie smuggler]

tomtom said:

I don't know, it's now listed on the 'deal now' section for £85k so there's obviously a fairly concerted effort to sell it

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

"patch of bubbling above the nearside rear quarter light window. "

That's a strange thing not to repair properly on a car of that price, assuming it's this https://collectingcars.imgix.net/018003/Ferrari-FF...

Paint on the whole car looks poor as well, loads of orange peel

e.g. https://collectingcars.imgix.net/018003/Ferrari-FF...

edit - oh, the bubbling is actually this...
https://collectingcars.imgix.net/018003/Ferrari-FF...
Wonder what's happened there? Bird poo maybe

Edited by budgie smuggler on Friday 17th February 15:20

[21ATS]

Nice one just popped up today. If you can live with the interior combo.

This one probably won't hang around. Blue ones always seem to go quickly.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14597861

[21ATS]

budgie smuggler said:

tomtom said:

I don't know, it's now listed on the 'deal now' section for £85k so there's obviously a fairly concerted effort to sell it

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

"patch of bubbling above the nearside rear quarter light window. "

That's a strange thing not to repair properly on a car of that price, assuming it's this https://collectingcars.imgix.net/018003/Ferrari-FF...

Paint on the whole car looks poor as well, loads of orange peel

e.g. https://collectingcars.imgix.net/018003/Ferrari-FF...

edit - oh, the bubbling is actually this...
https://collectingcars.imgix.net/018003/Ferrari-FF...
Wonder what's happened there? Bird poo maybe

Edited by budgie smuggler on Friday 17th February 15:20

Hardly a shed.

I see an 11 year old car that's been driven. That's probably still worth the thick end of £90K.

You want something mint with a warranty? You're going to be paying £115K plus at today's prices. That £25K spread buys a lot paint correction and a full warranty.

[21ATS]

tomtom said:

kith said:

Backs up your point that owners of these cars just don't need to sell.

I don't know, it's now listed on the 'deal now' section for £85k so there's obviously a fairly concerted effort to sell it

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

What would that be asking on a dealers forecourt with the paint corrected and a warranty?

£85K seems pretty reasonable for what was likely to have been a £260K car new.

£5K or even £10K here or there on one of these is nothing. If you want one, you have to pay to play.

Remember there are only a little over 200 of these in the UK and 2000 worldwide (compared to something like the 458 which there are circa 20,000 units worldwide)

These are a low volume model, the pool of cars really isn't that big to start with. Less than 10 cars for sale in the UK and most of them have been for sale for a while. The decent ones often change hands before the pictures hit the classifieds. That's how I bought mine.

If you really want one, put the feelers out and get one via a specialist or main dealer who knows a customer that wants to move one on. Don't expect to nickle and dime on it though. That asking price will be the asking price.

[pontypool]

21ATS said:

Nice one just popped up today. If you can live with the interior combo.

This one probably won't hang around. Blue ones always seem to go quickly.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14597861

These types of interiors always say "Middle East Import" to me. No idea if that's the case here, but it's pretty hideous to these eyes.