lots of 812 and Pista's for sale

lots of 812 and Pista's for sale

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RSbandit

2,590 posts

131 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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So he took £100k hit on a car he didn't want just to get a Pista which aren't even trading much over list now?

cgt2

7,093 posts

187 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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There are plenty of such examples. A friend was strongarmed into getting a 488 on promise of getting a Pista. Now the Pista is due and he can't get rid of the 488 unless taking a phenomenal hit far in excess of anything he stood to make on the Pista when he ordered it (which is no longer the case anyway now). So potentially a double hit in each testicle!

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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There's a nice Pista for sale at Tom Hartley in Rosso Fiorano. Looks stunning and at £340K can't be much over list..

Turbo cab

1,601 posts

231 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Anyone know what the average list on the pista was?

Dhol01

47 posts

121 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Shade over £300k

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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Funny I was looking on Autotrader and realised a lot of cars in my - very broad -searches were 812s and Pistas. I thought to myself there must be about 40 odd here and low and behold there were 39.

silvercar71

23 posts

98 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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WCZ said:
depends, the tdf is still trading at near £1,000,000. if it's in limited numbers and the car drives a certain way (just follow the formula of the TDF and make it overpowered and soften the traction control so the motoring press desribes it as a drivers car) then it could well trade at a premium
Funny new RHD Tdf just sold yesterday at Bonhams bond st sale for £605k inc buyers premium. Low mileage and a celebrity one owner car. The correction is certainly upon us
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25502/lot/15/?cat...

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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silvercar71 said:
Funny new RHD Tdf just sold yesterday at Bonhams bond st sale for £605k inc buyers premium. Low mileage and a celebrity one owner car. The correction is certainly upon us
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25502/lot/15/?cat...
Absolute bargain when you compare it to others on the market.

Hurri360

37 posts

74 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Or rather than being a bargain, is that the true marker price and the others overpriced?

silvercar71

23 posts

98 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Taffy66 said:
Absolute bargain when you compare it to others on the market.
Surely that auction is the purest form of price discovery and at £550k hammer price +buyers premium it looks to me like there are a lot of overvalued cars listed at dealers as opposed to that car being the bargain.
I know different geographical market but a yellow car failed to sell at rn auction in Abu Dhabi on 30/11 - high bid £505k equivalent.

GusB

269 posts

158 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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silvercar71 said:
Surely that auction is the purest form of price discovery and at £550k hammer price +buyers premium it looks to me like there are a lot of overvalued cars listed at dealers as opposed to that car being the bargain.
I know different geographical market but a yellow car failed to sell at rn auction in Abu Dhabi on 30/11 - high bid £505k equivalent.
Exactly. I think these and Senna’s etc are listed for a lot more then they are selling for.

RSbandit

2,590 posts

131 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Was up at Redline Specialist Cars yday and they had a Lhd TDF up for a shade under £700k...seems v optimistic stunning car in the flesh though.

Juno

4,481 posts

248 months

Wednesday 18th December 2019
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GusB said:
silvercar71 said:
Surely that auction is the purest form of price discovery and at £550k hammer price +buyers premium it looks to me like there are a lot of overvalued cars listed at dealers as opposed to that car being the bargain.
I know different geographical market but a yellow car failed to sell at rn auction in Abu Dhabi on 30/11 - high bid £505k equivalent.
Exactly. I think these and Senna’s etc are listed for a lot more then they are selling for.
And there's not exactly a shortage of money in Abu Dhabi

cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Talking about the TDF , what about this one in Shmee,s video.

Its at 1.30min -2.50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=402o0ieTOB8

speedbird1000

150 posts

166 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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It's the NYSE listing of Ferrari that fked us. The investors greed is pushing Ferrari to releasing waayyy to many models, way tooo quickly, and lo and behold prices have seriously cratered. My beautiful F12 price has cratered and with 812's cratering now, that will make it even worse. Great pity, but I fallen well out of love with the brand I admired since childhood, as a result and instead feel mugged. Look at the many california T's for sale in Exeter - for over a year- astonished no buyers, crazy. Even starting to dislike the brand now as disloyal greedy fleecers. I. E the joke spare part prices... those NYSE investors must be laughing, they are up 100 pc gain on stock over 2 years, and probably drive Honda Accords, laughing at us mugs filling their pockets. If I get fked more then I will strip the thing into pieces and ebay it all off and good ridence fked and arrogant brand.....

Superleg48

1,524 posts

132 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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speedbird1000 said:
It's the NYSE listing of Ferrari that fked us. The investors greed is pushing Ferrari to releasing waayyy to many models, way tooo quickly, and lo and behold prices have seriously cratered. My beautiful F12 price has cratered and with 812's cratering now, that will make it even worse. Great pity, but I fallen well out of love with the brand I admired since childhood, as a result and instead feel mugged. Look at the many california T's for sale in Exeter - for over a year- astonished no buyers, crazy. Even starting to dislike the brand now as disloyal greedy fleecers. I. E the joke spare part prices... those NYSE investors must be laughing, they are up 100 pc gain on stock over 2 years, and probably drive Honda Accords, laughing at us mugs filling their pockets. If I get fked more then I will strip the thing into pieces and ebay it all off and good ridence fked and arrogant brand.....
I have always thought that whilst Ferrari undoubtedly make some excellent cars, the whole attitude of the brand is very elitist and arrogance abounds (not the owners per se, just the whole machine behind the brand including the dealer network). Let’s say I wanted an F8 and I had the cash to buy, but have never owned a Ferrari before, could I stroll into a dealer and spec one to order? Doubt it. I haven’t accumulated enough Ferrari fawn points. Sadly Porsche seem to have the very same attitude with GT cars lately.

It is frankly outrageous and discriminatory which just puts me off the brand altogether. I spend my money elsewhere as a result.

andrew

9,952 posts

191 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Superleg48 said:
speedbird1000 said:
It's the NYSE listing of Ferrari that fked us. The investors greed is pushing Ferrari to releasing waayyy to many models, way tooo quickly, and lo and behold prices have seriously cratered. My beautiful F12 price has cratered and with 812's cratering now, that will make it even worse. Great pity, but I fallen well out of love with the brand I admired since childhood, as a result and instead feel mugged. Look at the many california T's for sale in Exeter - for over a year- astonished no buyers, crazy. Even starting to dislike the brand now as disloyal greedy fleecers. I. E the joke spare part prices... those NYSE investors must be laughing, they are up 100 pc gain on stock over 2 years, and probably drive Honda Accords, laughing at us mugs filling their pockets. If I get fked more then I will strip the thing into pieces and ebay it all off and good ridence fked and arrogant brand.....
I have always thought that whilst Ferrari undoubtedly make some excellent cars, the whole attitude of the brand is very elitist and arrogance abounds (not the owners per se, just the whole machine behind the brand including the dealer network). Let’s say I wanted an F8 and I had the cash to buy, but have never owned a Ferrari before, could I stroll into a dealer and spec one to order? Doubt it. I haven’t accumulated enough Ferrari fawn points. Sadly Porsche seem to have the very same attitude with GT cars lately.

It is frankly outrageous and discriminatory which just puts me off the brand altogether. I spend my money elsewhere as a result.
+1 on all the above
sadly it's contagious : lamborghini, mclaren and others have been trying similar games

speedbird1000

150 posts

166 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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My gt3 991.2 at least is holding up a loooot better, Porsche seem a lot more careful about retaining their top customers than Fkdrari..who don't give a sh*t anymore it seems. I think we going to see a big backlash they way they going...

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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It’s all smoke and mirrors at Porsche, they made more GT3’s than any other 911 during the last production phase. It’s just that the market hasn’t yet realised that in cash terms yet.
Just clever market manipulation imo..

GT4RS

4,395 posts

196 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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s2000db said:
It’s all smoke and mirrors at Porsche, they made more GT3’s than any other 911 during the last production phase. It’s just that the market hasn’t yet realised that in cash terms yet.
Just clever market manipulation imo..
Agree, the 991.2 gt3 seems to be the one effected at the moment as these are already below list at trade, biggest drop I think we will see ii time is the 997 gt3 as they were slow to climb in price compared to other cars. 85k for a 997.1 gt3 is never going to stick imo.

Most gt3 cars have sat unsold for months in some cases years, the only one which seems to be selling if priced around list is the 991.2 gt3 and that’s only because it’s easy to finance due to its age and due to being the newest which many prefer.