Any TDF owners here?
Discussion
Two ways on looking at this. First from a purely driving pleasure POV there is no way anyone can justify paying £600k for a TDF when a more powerful modern 812 with much improved RAS will do the same job for nearly a third of the price.
On the other side of the coin these TDFs being genuinely numbered limited edition Ferraris at £600k are brilliant value if you take into consideration they were selling for £1M+ a couple of yr/ears ago.
For me it would be a two year old 812 at £220K every time however if i had Andrew's money i'd plump for a TDF.
On the other side of the coin these TDFs being genuinely numbered limited edition Ferraris at £600k are brilliant value if you take into consideration they were selling for £1M+ a couple of yr/ears ago.
For me it would be a two year old 812 at £220K every time however if i had Andrew's money i'd plump for a TDF.
AndrewD said:
andrew said:
DeejRC said:
Andrew - seriously man, do you not think you have a condition? You are allowed to leave some cars for the rest of us you know...??
please don't call him "andrew" : he's andrew diesel, the noisy, smelly, slow variant 
AndrewD said:
andrew said:
DeejRC said:
Andrew - seriously man, do you not think you have a condition? You are allowed to leave some cars for the rest of us you know...??
please don't call him "andrew" : he's andrew diesel, the noisy, smelly, slow variant Just how big is the grin on your face? Hehe!
I’m genuinely interested to understand why you would want to own such a car, from a driver’s perspective? The lack of responses is to be expected - most people buy a TDF to look at , and hope for an investment return.
There seems to be a dichotomy presented with respect to limited edition versions.
Unless they are genuinely far superior than their regular counterpart, then the premium from a driver’s perspective surely can never be justified?
Every review I have seen, says the 812 super fast is a far better car.
So unless you are collecting/investing, then as a driver’s choice isn’t it just vanity when the premium is so large?
There seems to be a dichotomy presented with respect to limited edition versions.
Unless they are genuinely far superior than their regular counterpart, then the premium from a driver’s perspective surely can never be justified?
Every review I have seen, says the 812 super fast is a far better car.
So unless you are collecting/investing, then as a driver’s choice isn’t it just vanity when the premium is so large?
OldAndTired said:
I stand corrected.
I assume those friends are putting oodles of miles on their cars then, if the experience is such that it’s the best modern Ferrari? If not then the dichotomy lives on.
They definitely drive them, and the general feedback is the car tries to kill them each time!I assume those friends are putting oodles of miles on their cars then, if the experience is such that it’s the best modern Ferrari? If not then the dichotomy lives on.
The oodles of miles is a bit of a red herring, as not everything suits itself to 'daily' use - you're not going to take a TDF cross country when its 3 degrees and dark, if any sense.
Plus, it's just a fact that most people with a TDF will have other cars. You can only drive one...so miles get spread out.
I'm 100% on your side that cars should be driven, but that's a separate point - I'm just saying that a TDF is much more of a 'keeper' for people I know, even if 812 is 'better', and that is not tied to investment value. (for them)
Can’t help Andrew with input.
general thoughts on the value question: Given they are pretty much universally praised by people who have driven them (I unfortunately have never had the pleasure), I think they make sense at the current asking prices of euro 700-800k. I thought at 1 million plus they seemed a bit expensive and I would have rather picked up an F40 for that money. If I already had a Carrera GT, then this would probably be the next modern car I seriously look at. A 812 wouldn’t even enter my thinking as I think it is quite ugly and while it doesn’t drive badly, it is too much of a comfortable daily for my taste (rather drive a FF or Lusso as I find both prettier and the rear seats/4wd etc make them more useable).
Now I just need to make money so I can back up my thinking/reasoning with actual purchases ....
general thoughts on the value question: Given they are pretty much universally praised by people who have driven them (I unfortunately have never had the pleasure), I think they make sense at the current asking prices of euro 700-800k. I thought at 1 million plus they seemed a bit expensive and I would have rather picked up an F40 for that money. If I already had a Carrera GT, then this would probably be the next modern car I seriously look at. A 812 wouldn’t even enter my thinking as I think it is quite ugly and while it doesn’t drive badly, it is too much of a comfortable daily for my taste (rather drive a FF or Lusso as I find both prettier and the rear seats/4wd etc make them more useable).
Now I just need to make money so I can back up my thinking/reasoning with actual purchases ....
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