Every day tips for living with a 599

[cake eater]

Hughesie said:

cake eater said:

very little for Ferrari.

Ferrari don't care about us keeping the old ones on the road, just the latest and greatest !

Strange really as there's so much money in keeping old cars alive. Porsche have recognised this with their Classic and New for Classic programmes.

I think in Europe in particular, there's a snobbery against modified Ferraris.

[Hughesie]

Unless you service with them they will prioritise you, but its just a replace mentality then. I had an argument with the head of Europe spares where he said that to me directly when trying to source a new potentiometer a couple of years ago.

[cake eater]

Hughesie said:

Unless you service with them they will prioritise you, but its just a replace mentality then. I had an argument with the head of Europe spares where he said that to me directly when trying to source a new potentiometer a couple of years ago.

Shame that really. Most places the same now, only start repairing when the replacement parts are no longer available.

[Cheburator mk2]

Sadly, they are a business and from that perspective not having the cassette as a separate spare part makes a lot of sense. If they did, they had to provide training for their service centres staff. They have to provide extra equipment and specialized tools. The risks of negative outcomes when a general mechanic performs the repair are higher, hence it’s a lot easier just to swap a new unit professionally built by ZF and live in peace. They are looking at it from the point of view that if you can afford to buy a used £80k car, dropping £3k for an LSD on the very odd occasion that it breaks is perfectly acceptable…

Overall though, their attitude towards people who run older models leaves a lot to be desired… Don’t even start me on the junior brother - Maserati - and their service/ parts department…

[cake eater]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Sadly, they are a business and from that perspective not having the cassette as a separate spare part makes a lot of sense. If they did, they had to provide training for their service centres staff. They have to provide extra equipment and specialized tools. The risks of negative outcomes when a general mechanic performs the repair are higher, hence it s a lot easier just to swap a new unit professionally built by ZF and live in peace. They are looking at it from the point of view that if you can afford to buy a used £80k car, dropping £3k for an LSD on the very odd occasion that it breaks is perfectly acceptable

Overall though, their attitude towards people who run older models leaves a lot to be desired Don t even start me on the junior brother - Maserati - and their service/ parts department

And then comes the liability, so many companies now concerned with getting sued and/or reputation damage.

If you're outside of the OEM network, they just don't want to know.

[cake eater]

A few more pictures to update.

Engine is coming out today



With lots of bits to install





Air intake manifold is off to be cleaned and painted



Clutch release bearing and the bearing at the end of the bell housing are grumbling so will also get changed.

Brakes are going to Thomas at https://pro-calipers.co.uk/



Only 24 hrs turn around as not planning on painting the caliper. I did want to go yellow to match the shields but need to save a finger or two as this is growing arms and legs.

Also have the GTO caliper cooling ducting to install



Cam covers are also off to paint

[cake eater]

I'll be watching this and eagerly awaiting updates to see what choices they make for a hybrid 599 FXX road car

https://youtu.be/oU53PyZXZJ8?si=v0a59XJYD9rSupGq

[cake eater]

Engine is out





Belts will need done. Lee says the spark plugs need doing again and he'll bore scope the cylinders also

Fingers crossed

[cake eater]

So much for fingers crossed.

















All the pistons show the same flaking on the top. The spark plugs all show the same wear. Oil passing? Early detonation (knock)? Overly aggressive timing and incorrect fuel mapping?

So the heads are going to come off.

One good thing, the chains are in good condition

[White-Noise]

I'm sorry to hear of this. How many miles is it on?

Do you know if it's had any internal work done before?

[Hughesie]

Those engines coke up a lot apparently, mine were the same (ports) so had the de-coke and injectors sorted when they did the Cam sensors, mine looked just like that.

[cake eater]

White-Noise said:

I'm sorry to hear of this. How many miles is it on?

Do you know if it's had any internal work done before?

I think the engine is standard mechanically.

But ECU has been mapped and I wonder if that is part of the cause.

60+ k miles including the Nurburgring laps.

Edited by cake eater on Thursday 13th November 13:25

[cake eater]

Hughesie said:

Those engines coke up a lot apparently, mine were the same (ports) so had the de-coke and injectors sorted when they did the Cam sensors, mine looked just like that.

Lee did say that these engines are known for breathing a little oil.

Mine doesn't use oil, so a concern for me. Also of concern was who 'black' it was under the time chain covers.

What did you have done to remove the carbon build up? And for the injectors?

[willy wombat]

Cake, I think you need to start a “justgiving” page to help fund your adventures. After all, you’re keeping plenty of us amused/intrigued.

[cake eater]

willy wombat said:

Cake, I think you need to start a justgiving page to help fund your adventures. After all, you re keeping plenty of us amused/intrigued.

At the the moment I'm just giving to MDL

[NGK210]

Does the 599's V12 have port or direct injection?
If the latter, it'd be worth having a peep at the inlet valves via a borescope camera.

[cake eater]

cake eater said:

Hughesie said:

Those engines coke up a lot apparently, mine were the same (ports) so had the de-coke and injectors sorted when they did the Cam sensors, mine looked just like that.

Lee did say that these engines are known for breathing a little oil.

Mine doesn't use oil, so a concern for me. Also of concern was who 'black' it was under the time chain covers.

What did you have done to remove the carbon build up? And for the injectors?

Lee has the heads off and confirmed that visually all is good and as Hughesie said, coked up













Now I need to decide on whether it is worth going further. Have the pistons out and check the ring gap and bearings.

I'm concerned that cleaning up all the coke, especially around the vales will affect the seal.

https://youtu.be/491Sd9qpysg?si=ubURWOGrJjy0bEfu

[cake eater]

NGK210 said:

Does the 599's V12 have port or direct injection?
If the latter, it'd be worth having a peep at the inlet valves via a borescope camera.

I think it's direct injection? From what I can see from Google research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F140_engine
If you trust Wikipedia

Some sites say later model F140 engines were direct injection but don't say what the crossover year / model was but I'd expect it to be F12 generation.

[NGK210]

cake eater said:

NGK210 said:

Does the 599's V12 have port or direct injection?
If the latter, it'd be worth having a peep at the inlet valves via a borescope camera.

I think it's direct injection? From what I can see from Google research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F140_engine
If you trust Wikipedia

Some sites say later model F140 engines were direct injection but don't say what the crossover year / model was but I'd expect it to be F12 generation.

Then it’s definitely worth having a look at your V12’s inlet valves.
A fella posted a YouTube vid of his FF’s inlets, and after only 20k miles they were seriously gummed up with a yucky tar-like residue.
Was/is inlet valve-cleaning part of Ferrari’s 7-year gratis maintenance schedule, I wonder?

[Hughesie]

cake eater said:

What did you have done to remove the carbon build up? And for the injectors?

That's good news its just coked up, had a few nights like that myself

Its aways worse at the rear of the engine as well if you note.

Pretty sure it was a terraclean jobbie to decoke and sort injectors - they were also taken out and ultrasonically cleaned out.